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GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« on: February 23, 2014, 07:42:51 AM »
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GOP & Religious Right Looks At Gays The Same Way Nazis Looked At Jews.
The new ploy by the GOP and religious right is a very dangerous one. What next jailing or even shooting gays. Don't kid yourself we have a psychopath party that is out of control and are willing to do anything. Whatever they say about liberal"s for progressive's imagined repressive or even violent agenda is what THEY are planning to do if they get power.

What is worse if the RW is now working on spreading this hate internationally. Look at Russia and Uganda. They were on the ground pushing their hate there.


Can we get a nads in here to figure out what this lunitic is saying? Oh, sure, the right is pushing NAZI like agenda to murder gays in deathcamps... and somehow we are responsible for anti-gay actions in Russia and Uganda.

Does the nutbag link Muslims with the religious right?

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1. Actually, they look at them in the same way

that the Nazis did. Homosexuals were a specifically targeted group under the Nazi Reich, just as were Jews, Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses and the "disabled" (which had a very broad definition). When they were discovered (not always as obvious as the other categories), they were sent to concentration camps, forced to wear pink triangles to denote their homosexuality, and were singled out to receive horrific treatment - often combined with attempts to "reprogram" their sexual orientation.

See http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Homosexuals_and_the_Third_Reich.html and http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005261

For a good overview, see also the Wiki version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

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2. The Nazis viewed us the same way. See my avatar.

The Men with the Pink Triangle: The True Life-and-Death Story of Homosexuals in the Nazi Death Camps
The first, and still the best known, testimony by a gay survivor of the Nazi concentration camps translated into English, this harrowing autobiography opened new doors onto the understanding of homosexuality and the Holocaust when it was first published in 1980 by Gay Men's Press. THE MEN WITH THE PINK TRIANGLE has been translated into several languages, with a second edition published in 1994 by Alyson Books. Heger's book also inspired the 1979 play Bent by Martin Sherman which was filmed as the 1997 movie of the same name, directed by Sean Mathias.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Pink-Triangle-Life-Death/dp/1459608399

The right-wing is incredibly dangerous. They are becoming stronger, but people are fighting back, which is why, IMO, they have taken their show on the road. We should remain vigilant.

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4. oh for ****'s sake. you pen some really, er, hard to swallow claims

this doesn't even begin to be a new ploy. they've been doing it forever. also their power has been most ineffectual. LGBT rights, and yes there are setbacks, have increased hugely and the odds that wingnuts will change that trajectory of expanding rights, are very slim. the wingnuts have, oth, had huge success with their forced birth agenda.

In any case, to me, you are an example of someone demonizing- and it takes alot for me to say that about someone because they are so despicable- but you're constantly setting up these scenarios going oooh boogie boogie man they're going to kill you. well, maybe so but the scenarios are pretty unlikely. For one thing they are opposed to corporate America which has actually been on the forward curve- whatever their reasons, and corporate power trumps religious right power, where their interests aren't aligned, each and every time.

You trumpet erroneous declarations here over and over.

cali better be careful. The big ghey DUmp Mafia will have her solutioned. Finally.

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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 07:51:40 AM »
I think Cali has a point.

TMN is so out of the ballpark it would be in my top ten list of moles.

To be that stupid and malicious takes a lot of practice.

I suppose insanity could suffice in a pinch.

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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 08:03:35 AM »
Check it out, Obama's Nazi past:
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“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76109_Page2.html#ixzz2u9bAjVZ4
Barry on April 17, 2008, while running for president, defining marriage at the Saddleback Presidential Forum.



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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 09:20:40 AM »
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GOP & Religious Right Looks At Gays The Same Way Nazis Looked At Jews.

Psssst....hey you.  Yeah stoopid, you.  You do realize that almost all of the SA, a high percentage of the SS and the Nazi hierarchy at large were.....

:gay:

Right?
              

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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 09:28:46 AM »
Psssst....hey you.  Yeah stoopid, you.  You do realize that almost all of the SA, a high percentage of the SS and the Nazi hierarchy at large were.....

:gay:

Right?
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 09:29:16 AM »
Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazi Party and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Rüdiger Lautmann believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors.

In late February 1933, as the moderating influence of Ernst Röhm weakened, the Nazi Party launched its purge of homosexual (gay, lesbian, and bisexual; then known as homophile) clubs in Berlin, outlawed sex publications, and banned organized gay groups. As a consequence, many fled Germany (e.g., Erika Mann, Richard Plaut). In March 1933, Kurt Hiller, the main organizer of Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sex Research, was sent to a concentration camp.

Nazi Germany: Paragraph 175 and other sexual deviance laws



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A national prohibition, Paragraph 175, was added to the Reich Penal Code in 1871. it read:


An unnatural sex act committed between persons of male sex or by humans with animals is punishable by imprisonment; the loss of civil rights might also be imposed.

When the Nazi's came to power in 1933, they put a halt to efforts seeking reform of this law. In 1935, after the murder of Ernst Roem, the NSDAP amended the Paragraph 175 to close what were seen as loopholes in the current law.


The new law had three parts:


Paragraph 175: A male who commits a sex offense with another male or allows himself to be used by another male for a sex offense shall be punished with imprisonment. Where a party was not yet twenty-one years of age at the time of the act, the court may in especially minor cases refrain from punishment.
Paragraph 175a: Penal servitude up to 10 years or, where there are mitigating circumstances, imprisonment of not less than three months shall apply to: (1) a male who, with violence or the threat of violence to body and soul or life, compels another male to commit a sex offense with him or to allow himself to be abused for a sex offense; (2) a male who, by abusing a relationship of dependence based upon service, employment or subordination, induces another male to commit a sex offense with him or to allow himself to be abused for a sex offense; (3) a male over 21 years of age who seduces a male person under twenty-one years to commit a sex offense with him or to allow himself to be abused for a sex offense; (4) a male who publicly commits a sex offense with males or allows himself to be abused by males for a sex offense or offers himself for the same.
Paragraph 175b: An unnatural sex act committed by humans with animals is punishable by imprisonment; the loss of civil rights might also be imposed.
Paragraph 174 of the penal code forbade incest and other sexual offenses with dependents, while paragraph 176 outlawed pedophilia. Persons convicted under these laws also wore the pink triangle.


The Nazi's passed other laws that targeted sex offenders. In 1933, they enacted the Law Against Dangerous Habitual Criminals and Measures for Protection and Recovery. This law gave German judges the power to order compulsory castrations in cases involving rape, defilement, illicit sex acts with children (Paragraph 176), coercion to commit sex offenses (paragraph 177), the committing of indecent acts in public including homosexual acts (paragraph 183), murder or manslaughter of a victim (paragraphs 223-226), if they were committed to arouse or gratify the sex drive, or homosexual acts with boys under 14. The Amendment to the Law for the Prevention of Offspring with Hereditary Diseases dated June 26, 1935 allowed castration indicated by reason of crime for men convicted under paragraph 175 if the men consented. A May 20, 1939 memo from Himmler allows concentration camp prisoners to be blackmailed into castration.



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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2014, 09:35:10 AM »
...and when they had served their useful fool/tool roll they were solutioned discarded eliminated   promoted. 

Yes.  They were ...... Rohm-ed ..... into funemployment.
              

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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2014, 09:47:10 AM »
Does one suppose the TheMastersNumbskill primitive, well, kind of slobbers as he posts?

It's a good thing he's an old fart, and not a very big one at that; otherwise, the authorities should have to look into him.
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014, 09:50:27 AM »
1. The National SOCIALIST Workers Party (NAZIs) were a LEFT WING party.
2. The NAZI party platform of the 1930s and the democrat party platform since 2004 are 95% identical.
3. Muslims ACTUALLY kill homos. What say the DUmp on that?
4. From the stats from Germany, the homo population percentage is far less than the standard accepted of less than 2%.
5. As Obama would say "That is a very small percentage of the population."
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 10:08:42 AM »
Hey Skinner. I hope you are considering this.

There are some folkes that make your website look worse then others. We all know that your island is inhabited by libtards. Everyone knows that, it's not a secret.

But I think you people know that TMN needs intervention, and if you can't manage that, he needs to be shunted off to the old elm tree or tavs place or where ever psychopath liberals go to live out their golden years.

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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2014, 10:16:42 AM »
Hey Skinner. I hope you are considering this.

There are some folks that make your website look worse than others. We all know that your island is inhabited by libtards. Everyone knows that, it's not a secret.

But I think you people know that TMN needs intervention, and if you can't manage that, he needs to be shunted off to the old elm tree or tavs place or where ever psychopath liberals go to live out their golden years.

That's not such a bad idea; these clowns hurt the good name and reputation of Skins's island.
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2014, 10:42:30 AM »
The Nazis regarded Judaism as a genetically-transmitted status (To be fair, so did the Jews) which turned out to be scientifically ridiculous on both sides.  So, they are really more like the Libs, who think there is some mythical 'Gay gene' that so far has proven to also be scientifically ridiculous although no sane scientist who ever wants to work for a publicly-funded university or under a publicly-funded grant would ever dare say so in unequivocal terms.

The only big difference between the two cases is that the Nazis regarded it as a big negative for no particularly clear reason, while the Libs seem to treat it as neutral to positive despite it being a clear negative for genetic preservation and diversity in the species as a whole.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2014, 12:33:49 PM »
That's not such a bad idea; these clowns hurt the good name and reputation of Skins's island.


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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 12:53:58 PM »
That's not such a bad idea; these clowns hurt the good name and reputation of Skins's island.

Wait....how can you hurt something that has never existed?
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2014, 02:24:53 PM »
It's only gene related as 'membership' into the tribe is passed down through the mother's line, rather than the fathers line. Also- let's say tomorrow I become, in faith, Jewish. I will never be considered a 'Jew' by the faith, however if my wife also converts and children we have after that would be considered "Jews".


http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/968282/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Passed-Down-Through-the-Mother.htm
Jewishness is not in our DNA. It is in our soul. The reason it is passed down through the maternal line is not just because it is easier to identify who your mother is. It is because the soul identity is more directly shaped by the mother than the father.

From a purely physical perspective, a child is more directly connected to their mother. The father's contribution to the production of a child is instantaneous and remote. The mother, on the other hand, gives her very self to the child . The child is conceived inside the mother, develops inside the mother, is sustained and nourished by the mother, and is born from the mother.

This is not to say that a father and child are not intimately attached. Of course they are. But as deep and essential as the bond between father and child may be, the child's actual body was never a part of her father's body. But she was a part of her mother. Every child begins as an extension of their mother's body.

This is a simple fact. It doesn't mean she will be closer to her mother, or more similar to her mother, or follow her mother's ways. We are not discussing the emotional bond between parent and child, but rather the natural physical bond. There is a more direct physical link between mother and child, because a child starts off as a part of her mother.

The body and its workings are a mirror image of the workings of the soul. The physical world is a parallel of the spiritual world. And so, the direct physical link between mother and child is a reflection of a soul link between them. While the father's soul contributes to the identity of the child's soul, it is the mother's soul that actually defines it. If the mother has a Jewish soul, the child does too.

If the mother is not Jewish but the father is, his Jewish soul will not be extended to the child. There may be a spark of Jewishness there, but if it was not gestated in a Jewish mother, the child will have to go through conversion for their Jewishness to be activated.

Jewishness is passed down by the mother because being Jewish is a spiritual identity, it defines our very being. And our very being we get from our mother, both in body and in soul.




The Nazis regarded Judaism as a genetically-transmitted status (To be fair, so did the Jews) which turned out to be scientifically ridiculous on both sides.  So, they are really more like the Libs, who think there is some mythical 'Gay gene' that so far has proven to also be scientifically ridiculous although no sane scientist who ever wants to work for a publicly-funded university or under a publicly-funded grant would ever dare say so in unequivocal terms.

The only big difference between the two cases is that the Nazis regarded it as a big negative for no particularly clear reason, while the Libs seem to treat it as neutral to positive despite it being a clear negative for genetic preservation and diversity in the species as a whole.
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2014, 03:17:46 PM »
Himmler's plan was to rid Germany of every Synagogue and every Jew.....then he was going to rid Germany of every church and every Christian. Sounds like a liberal plan to me.
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Re: GOP & Religious Same as Nazis
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2014, 03:54:03 PM »
It's only gene related as 'membership' into the tribe is passed down through the mother's line, rather than the fathers line. Also- let's say tomorrow I become, in faith, Jewish. I will never be considered a 'Jew' by the faith, however if my wife also converts and children we have after that would be considered "Jews".


http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/968282/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Passed-Down-Through-the-Mother.htm
Jewishness is not in our DNA. It is in our soul. The reason it is passed down through the maternal line is not just because it is easier to identify who your mother is. It is because the soul identity is more directly shaped by the mother than the father.

From a purely physical perspective, a child is more directly connected to their mother. The father's contribution to the production of a child is instantaneous and remote. The mother, on the other hand, gives her very self to the child . The child is conceived inside the mother, develops inside the mother, is sustained and nourished by the mother, and is born from the mother.

This is not to say that a father and child are not intimately attached. Of course they are. But as deep and essential as the bond between father and child may be, the child's actual body was never a part of her father's body. But she was a part of her mother. Every child begins as an extension of their mother's body.

This is a simple fact. It doesn't mean she will be closer to her mother, or more similar to her mother, or follow her mother's ways. We are not discussing the emotional bond between parent and child, but rather the natural physical bond. There is a more direct physical link between mother and child, because a child starts off as a part of her mother.

The body and its workings are a mirror image of the workings of the soul. The physical world is a parallel of the spiritual world. And so, the direct physical link between mother and child is a reflection of a soul link between them. While the father's soul contributes to the identity of the child's soul, it is the mother's soul that actually defines it. If the mother has a Jewish soul, the child does too.

If the mother is not Jewish but the father is, his Jewish soul will not be extended to the child. There may be a spark of Jewishness there, but if it was not gestated in a Jewish mother, the child will have to go through conversion for their Jewishness to be activated.

Jewishness is passed down by the mother because being Jewish is a spiritual identity, it defines our very being. And our very being we get from our mother, both in body and in soul.





That's a nice attempt to reinvent reality and rationalize something that isn't rational in the first place.

I remember a Jewish friend (Not an American Christian who regarded himself as Jewish by some metaphysical reasoning) telling me some years ago that there was great discomfiture in his community because Israeli science had been unable to differentiate the DNA of hereditary Sephardic Jews and that of Palestinians, and the differences from the European Jews were all basically Northwest European Gentile DNA...which tells you that (1) they were actually trying to find that difference and (2) the Israeli academic community was honestly invested enough in the concept to get the research to look for it funded in the first place.

"Soul" is transmitted by mothers but not by fathers?  That is the weirdest thing I've ever seen you post.  If you are just expounding that position to explain a particular school of thought, my apologies, but if you really believe something that irrational, there's no point in arguing about it because no amount of argument sway someone from an embedded idea based on nonrational thinking.
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