An argument's vulnerability is exploited, a DUmmy proves himself superior

[Delmar]

DUmmies live such stupid and pointless lives and are wrong about so many things that it must fill them with a desperate need to be right about something, anything.  How else can you explain the pigheaded intractability of these two DUmmies arguing over this insignificant OP.

Sat Feb 22, 2014, 06:22 PM
El_Johns (1,510 posts)

Since 1988, every US president has been a Harvard or Yale grad.


Beginning in 1988, every US president has been a graduate of Harvard or Yale. Beginning in 2000, every losing presidential candidate has been a Harvard or Yale graduate, with the exception of John McCain in 2008.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/


Just thought it was an interesting data point.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024547896

Everybody knows which presidents El_Johns is talking about but DUmmy Jenoch realizes that Ronald Reagan was president in 1988 and even a little bit of 1989 and seizes the opportunity to correct the other DUmmy and fill up the emptiness inside himself, if only for a little while.

Response to El_Johns (Original post)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:37 PM
Jenoch (4,600 posts)
10. I did not know that Reagan went to either Harvard or Yale

Response to Jenoch (Reply #10)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:37 PM
El_Johns (1,510 posts)
11. That's why it says "since 1988".

Response to El_Johns (Reply #11)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jenoch (4,600 posts)
13. I suppose the OP meant 'after' 1988 because Reagan was president for all of 1988.

Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:48 PM
El_Johns (1,510 posts)
14. 'since' includes the meaning 'after,' so pointless comment.

Response to El_Johns (Reply #14)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jenoch (4,600 posts)
15. When read since such and such date,

I always have known that it starts with that year and not the next. I think it has more to do with people confusing election years with years served. Many years ago the USPS had to recall stamps honoring HHH because it was printd with VP 1964-1968. we did not have a VP in 1964 and he was VP into 1969.

Response to Jenoch (Reply #15)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
El_Johns (1,510 posts)
16. I think it has more to do with you conceiving of the year 1988 as a period beginning at the start of

that year while the author conceives of it as a point that includes both beginning and end.

Neither is any more "correct" than the other & given the context, it's a pointless comment.

Response to El_Johns (Reply #16)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jenoch (4,600 posts)
17. If you tell someone you have worked for a particular business

since 2010, does that really mean you did not start work there until 2011?

Response to Jenoch (Reply #17)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:21 PM
El_Johns (1,510 posts)
19. Pointless argument. If I say "Blacks have been free since the Civil War" does that mean they were

free in 1861?

If I say, "The US has been the dominant world power since 1945" is my meaning specifically that they became the dominant power in 1945, or that they've been the dominant power since the end of WW2?

The "meaning" is not inherent in the word "since," but rather in whether the time in question is conceived of as a point or a period, and the general context.

If you conceive of 1988 as a period of time, then you think "from the beginning of that period".

If you conceive of it as a point in time, then you think "after that point".

A year can be conceived of either way.

Neither is more correct than the other, and given the context in the OP, the meaning is quite clear and the comment pointless.

and that's all I have to say about that.

Response to El_Johns (Reply #19)Sat Feb 22, 2014, 08:31 PM
Jenoch (4,600 posts)
20. Ok Forrest

I would say the U.S. was the dominent world power for all of 1945.

The were many blacks that were free in the U.S. in 1861, but the Civil War was several years, not a particular year. You are right that this has gone on long enough.

Nobody won.  When all is said and done, they are both still DUmmies.

[franksolich]

Oh geezuz.....

By the way, that reminds me.

I haven't seen the cousin on Skins's island all day long.

[obumazombie]

Oh geezuz.....

By the way, that reminds me.

I haven't seen the cousin on Skins's island all day long.

She might be washing her good rig in the shower.

[dane]

Same DUmmy in a different thread  http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024546896  has the gNads "I'm right and you know it and I'll keep arguing until you admit it or give up" syndrome.

It started as a thread re regional airline pilots' salaries

El_Johns (1,543 posts)

6. link? cause i doubt it.

El_Johns (1,543 posts)

11. I didn't call you a liar, I asked for a link. When someone asks for a link, telling them to "look
 
it up" (especially when they already did & provided *you* a link that says something completely different) doesn't give anyone confidence in the information you got from a driver.

El_Johns (1,543 posts)

13. If the information is readily available you should have no trouble finding a link.

I got $58K "average" which means there's a range, probably the median is lower, since average wages tend to right skew.

Response to Old Codger (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:10 AM

 El_Johns (1,543 posts)

25. Thank you, I will bear it in mnd that Payscale.com says UPS Delivery Drivers' median wage is $30/hr.

I will balance that with the fact that "simply hired.com" says the average salary for a UPS package delivery driver is $39K.
 
and with the fact that your friend seems to have quoted you median salary, which seems odd.
 
Here's something more definitive from the Teamsters, which says average wage for full-time UPS drivers = $29+.
 
http://www.teamsters492.org/docs/UPS%20vs.%20FedEx.pdf

Part-timers make less.

Be aware that UPS has increased part-time labor and is pushing two tier.

http://www.labornotes.org/2013/06/vote-no-movement-sends-ups-bargainers-back-table

The Postal Service has fewer part-time employees than any other international postal operation. Currently only 13 percent of its workforce is part-time.... For example, UPS employs a 53 percent part-time workforce and FedEx remains around 40 percent.
 
http://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/oig-blog-tags/ups

Why do so many of the DUmmy 'discussions' end up being verbal fisticuffs or a game of 'Can You Top This?'

[98ZJUSMC]

Pointless argument

...by pointless people.

[NHSparky]

Who really gives a shit?  SEVEN presidents have gone to Harvard, five from Yale (GWB counting for both.)

But if you go by undergrad degrees, there's a pretty good spread.  Hell, you only have to go back to Truman to find a president who didn't graduate from college at all.

[Delmar]

Same DUmmy in a different thread  http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024546896  has the gNads "I'm right and you know it and I'll keep arguing until you admit it or give up" syndrome.

It started as a thread re regional airline pilots' salariesWhy do so many of the DUmmy 'discussions' end up being verbal fisticuffs or a game of 'Can You Top This?'

It looks like the pointless argument is El_Johns modus operandi.  Knowing this M.O. might come in handy in profiling DUmmy El_Johns and understanding his abnormal psychology.

[dutch508]

Bush Senior became President in November of 1988. He took office in 1989.

So, how does that arguement go again?

[JohnnyReb]

Pointy heads have pointless argument over insignificant point.....but yes, HAA-vard grads be DUmb.

[DumbAss Tanker]

What a bunch of quibbling little bitches!

 

[JakeStyle]

Oh geezuz.....

By the way, that reminds me.

I haven't seen the cousin on Skins's island all day long.

She's been bitching up a storm in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4547684