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Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« on: February 15, 2014, 03:56:23 PM »
A lot of blah blah blah about teachers with one misfits pouring  gasoline all over the place.   The post worthy of bringing over:



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48. I was paid $25K a year when I taught high school.

You are wrong.

Ah Mr. Pitt.   You made $25K a year in Boston Public School system?    :rotf:  

Of course this means you were a substitute, which in MA you don't need a degree for ($60-80/day), or a long-term sub.   

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024481614#post1

Teachers work 180-185 days per year.   Get paid well for the most part, have good benefits and after 3 years (or whatever tenure mark is in their state) have a job for life.   Are there teachers who are worth their weight in gold (and are thus underpaid?) - ABSOLUTELY.

I wish most states would move to a merit raise system for the teaching profession.


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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 04:34:40 PM »
According the the BLS, the average salary for a high school teacher in Boston is $69,770.  Not bad with the guaranteed 12 plus week vacation they get per year.


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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 05:16:28 PM »
Way back in the late 70's teachers at my high school were making 17-25K per year.  It was a small district, too.

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 07:51:14 PM »
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Ah Mr. Pitt.   You made $25K a year in Boston Public School system?      

Of course this means you were a substitute, which in MA you don't need a degree for ($60-80/day), or a long-term sub.    

Not bad, since one DUmmy claims to be a registered nurse making $24K working full time.

But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2014, 08:12:27 PM »
The median salary plus benefits for a school teacher in my area is $81k annually.



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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2014, 08:50:42 PM »
The median salary plus benefits for a school teacher in my area is $81k annually.


Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K.  Ridiculous and they're still bitching.
              

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2014, 09:04:03 PM »
Not bad, since one DUmmy claims to be a registered nurse making $24K working full time.

But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
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Ever since, DUmmy Raven has had to front 100% of his living expense, instead of just 75%.



Seems all the dummies can never make any money in their chosen profession... even government.

Wonder why that is?   :mental:

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 10:14:59 PM »
Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K.  Ridiculous and they're still bitching.

A hundredk a year.... That is not right...
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 02:45:49 AM »
Chicago, I believe, is slightly over 100K.  Ridiculous and they're still bitching.
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 10:35:08 AM »
A hundredk a year.... That is not right...

Or to put it equal to a person in the private sector that gets four weeks off (three vacation and one week holidays). Teacher gets two weeks Christmas, one week spring break, a week more of holiday we don't and the twelve weeks for summer for a total of 17 weeks off.

52-4=48 Private sector
52-17=35 teacher
48/35=1.37
$100k*1.37=$137K equivalent salary. Not too many jobs in the private sector that pay that and with zero overtime.
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 11:54:16 AM »
I would teach school if they would let me kill all the Obamanites in the classroom.


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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 12:18:13 PM »
I would teach school if they would let me kill all the Obamanites in the classroom.


Obamanites = offspring of DUmmies.

I have a better idea.  Brainwash them with facts and logic and give them lessons in forensics.   It would drive their parents crazy.



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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 12:19:54 PM »
I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history.  They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students.  I think there should be corporal punishment still.  






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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 12:50:01 PM »
I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history.  They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students.  I think there should be corporal punishment still.  


I don't think I had any bad teachers, but some were better than others. Of course I went to a smaller school and many of the teachers spent most of their careers there.

Of course school punishments are race based, so Holder, Duncan and the Obama Regime want less punishments for thugs in schools. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/holder-duncan-announce-national-guidelines-on-school-discipline/2014/01/08/436c5a5e-7899-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 01:31:00 PM »
Or to put it equal to a person in the private sector that gets four weeks off (three vacation and one week holidays). Teacher gets two weeks Christmas, one week spring break, a week more of holiday we don't and the twelve weeks for summer for a total of 17 weeks off.

52-4=48 Private sector
52-17=35 teacher
48/35=1.37
$100k*1.37=$137K equivalent salary. Not too many jobs in the private sector that pay that and with zero overtime.

Oi.

Rant on.  :rant:

There's overtime. Lots and lots of unpaid overtime.

I get paid by the year, not by the hour. Most people in the private sector, when they leave their jobs for the day, they're done. Me? Not so much. There are jobs that when you're not feeling well, or when you're not up to doing it, you can kind of mail it in for a day. I can't.

Let's say I teach 130 kids. At the very minimum, each of them writes one 5-paragraph essay per quarter. I get to read those. Not during class, but at home. Those same 130 kids also do one major essay test (minimum) per quarter. Add in a quiz every other day or so.

There's lesson planning. Teachers--at least the ones I know--don't recycle the same lesson plans over and over. I change mine often. I keep what works and I throw out what doesn't. For me, it's about an hour of planning for every two hours of class, but that's because I've been doing it for 20 years. Know something, kids and their learning styles are way different today than when I started. When I first taught the research paper, for example, most of the sources were physical paper books. Now, almost all are electronic. It's a whole different way of research. Two years ago, most textbooks were paper. Now they're e-books. I have to change with every class.

I'm expected to keep up with changing theories of pedagogy. I'm expected to keep parents in the loop. Papers need to be graded thoughtfully and returned in a timely manner. Kids with special needs have mountains of paperwork.

Oh. It's not 12 weeks of summer anymore. I stop around the second week of June. The next school year starts for me around August 15 or so. During the summer? I teach a summer enrichment class. I make nowhere near $100K per year as a private school teacher. Also during the summer I write around 40 unique letters of recommendation for students applying to colleges.  Is it a long break? Yep. But I think I earn it.

This year, my school went to a 1:1 iPad program. I had to change everything--my entire methodology of teaching--to account for the fact that the kids are carrying the entire Internet around with them all the time.

Teacher turnover in the first five years is higher than just about any other profession.

I'm not saying it's not a great job. It is. I love it. I consider the 54-minute classes with my kids a reward for all the BS I have to go through just to get there. There's no heavy lifting. I'm not a coal miner. I'm not in Afghanistan with hostiles shooting at me. But there are easier ways to spend your career.

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 06:02:46 PM »
I wouldn't want to be a teacher just because of the violent students these days. I hear stuff all the time about teachers bein hurt by students.  Nothing is done to the students either.  They should not be allowed back into any school if they are violent.






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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2014, 06:30:08 PM »


I get paid by the year, not by the hour. Most people in the private sector, when they leave their jobs for the day, they're done.

That is 100% not true for most professionals and that is what we are talking about here - salaried employees who have bachelor's/master's degrees.   Bankers don't even work 9-5 anymore.
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Let's say I teach 130 kids... There's lesson planning.

How may planning periods are you given a day?   Elementary teachers barely have time to go to the bathroom and they are writing lesson plans for ELA, Math, Social Studies, and Science.   You write one lesson plan and teach it to 130 kids. 

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I'm expected to keep up with changing theories of pedagogy. I'm expected to keep parents in the loop. Papers need to be graded thoughtfully and returned in a timely manner. Kids with special needs have mountains of paperwork.

All a part of the job and most jobs that require license/certifications come with professional development requirements.

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Oh. It's not 12 weeks of summer anymore.

It doesn't matter - your contract is 183-185 days a year.  Period.  What you do over the summer is your choice, but is most definitely not a requirement of the district -- as the can't require anything from you (and are limited to what they can require within the school year). 

I respect the teaching profession and fortunately know a great deal of dedicated and amazing teachers.   I just get REALLY tired of the complaints from the teaching profession on low pay and low benefits as that typically just is not the case.    Teaching is a job that if it's not damn hard then you aren't doing it right.

It's definitely not for everyone, but too many go into it because they like the "mother's hours" so to speak of same vacations as their children.  I don't fault anyone for that, just ask them to be honest about it. 

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 06:44:06 PM »
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That is 100% not true for most professionals and that is what we are talking about here - salaried employees who have bachelor's/master's degrees.   Bankers don't even work 9-5 anymore.

My wife is a nurse. She never, ever has to come home and write up patient reports. We have similar levels of education. If she works an hour past her designated shift, she gets time and a half.

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How may planning periods are you given a day?   Elementary teachers barely have time to go to the bathroom and they are writing lesson plans for ELA, Math, Social Studies, and Science.   You write one lesson plan and teach it to 130 kids. 

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about in my situation. I teach three separate classes, two sections per class. One lesson plan for each class per day. None of them are on the same thing every day. If I have a rough class, I have 5ive minutes between classes to shake it off and prepare for the next one. I have one 54-minute planning period, and 25 minutes for lunch. That works out to one hour of planning per class per week, if you're counting. Can you go to the bank during work? Care to go out to lunch for your time? I can't. How far do you think "one lesson plan" goes, anyway?

What is your definition of "one lesson plan," by the way?

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I respect the teaching profession and fortunately know a great deal of dedicated and amazing teachers.   I just get REALLY tired of the complaints from the teaching profession on low pay and low benefits as that typically just is not the case.    Teaching is a job that if it's not damn hard then you aren't doing it right.

I wasn't complaining; the post I was referring to made my job to seem like a sinecure. Trust me. It ain't.  There's about a 50% teacher attrition rate during the first five years. During any given year, attrition is about twice as high as any other job.

I love what I do. I also hate it when people tell me how easy I have it.

I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.

I never complain about low pay. If I wanted more money, I'd go and get more money. I'm happy with my benefits.
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2014, 07:08:27 PM »
My wife is a nurse. She never, ever has to come home and write up patient reports. We have similar levels of education. If she works an hour past her designated shift, she gets time and a half.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about in my situation. I teach three separate classes, two sections per class. One lesson plan for each class per day. None of them are on the same thing every day. If I have a rough class, I have 5ive minutes between classes to shake it off and prepare for the next one. I have one 54-minute planning period, and 25 minutes for lunch. That works out to one hour of planning per class per week, if you're counting. Can you go to the bank during work? Care to go out to lunch for your time? I can't. How far do you think "one lesson plan" goes, anyway?

What is your definition of "one lesson plan," by the way?

I wasn't complaining; the post I was referring to made my job to seem like a sinecure. Trust me. It ain't.  There's about a 50% teacher attrition rate during the first five years. During any given year, attrition is about twice as high as any other job.

I love what I do. I also hate it when people tell me how easy I have it.

I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.

I never complain about low pay. If I wanted more money, I'd go and get more money. I'm happy with my benefits.

54 minutes planning period???!!!!   Out of a 6 hour teaching day (not including lunch here).   Seriously?????!    Elementary school teachers would walk on nails for that much time for one, and they have lunch and recess to shake it off (if they aren't covering it that is).  They use their lunch breaks to call parents back and return emails.

I never EVER said the teaching profession was easy.   Being a nurse sure as hell isn't easy either - and they don't work 6 hour days, have 54 minute planning periods and typically work through lunch (well, the nurses I know do).  

If teachers actually were required to be in their school buildings 8 hours a day (you know, like most jobs - even though most professions work longer hours than that as they are salaried), then you would have time to do your lesson planning, paperwork, and return calls/emails to parents.   They don't however.  The requirement of most of the districts in this state is to be in school 1/2 hour prior to class starting (with a lot of teachers given exceptions to that).    They CAN leave when the dismissal bell rings.    Teachers staying an hour or so after that are in fact working a full work day of the real world.   Walking into a school building at 4 p.m. for a meeting where dismissal was 3:35 p.m.?   like walking through a grave yard.  

So yes, your job is difficult.  However, your hours are attractive as are the days of the contract (183-185 days total - no expectation of work Thanksgiving and the day after; Christmas is anywhere from 1-2 weeks off, if you are in the Northeast you have a week in February and a week in April, and you are out mid-June).   There is no other field of work that offers that schedule with the pay/benefits package attached to it and the incredible protection of the most powerful union in the country - once you are tenured (receive professional status) you have a job for life.

  

 


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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2014, 07:13:20 PM »
My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.

I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury.  :whatever:
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2014, 07:13:32 PM »


I choose not to work for a school district. I'm subjected to performance-based compensation (which is no big deal, btw.) and I'm not "guaranteed" a salary every year. I sign a one-year contract. And that stuff in the summer? It kind of IS expected of me if I want to keep at my current salary level.


Then you aren't a public school teacher - you work for a private employer and those there are the breaks.    Your rant is then misdirected.  


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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 07:14:55 PM »
My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.

I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury.  :whatever:

Most don't even do trial work.   I am a paralegal - when I worked I can't even tell you the last time I worked (read - REQUIRED TO BE IN OFFICE) an 8 hour work day.   I was salaried - no extra pay. 

Private employers are like that.  :)

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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2014, 07:15:50 PM »
Then you aren't a public school teacher - you work for a private employer and those there are the breaks.    Your rant is then misdirected.  



As was your response. Nowhere did Jukin say "public school teacher." Neither did you in your posts.
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 07:16:25 PM »
Most don't even do trial work.   I am a paralegal - when I worked I can't even tell you the last time I worked (read - REQUIRED TO BE IN OFFICE) an 8 hour work day.   I was salaried - no extra pay. 

Private employers are like that.  :)


Wait... There's more to being a lawyer than arguing??????

That can't BE!!!!!   :whatever:
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Re: Teacher bashing bonfire!!!
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 07:16:34 PM »
My contract hours are 7:30-3:30.

I think I should have been a lawyer; all they get to do is argue in front of a jury.  :whatever:

The private school you work at is extended day?