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VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« on: February 15, 2014, 10:20:17 AM »
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Pissed and disappointed at union vote. But I want to see info about why
I was really thinking and hoping the union would pull this election off. Especially since VW didn't appear to be union busting.

And the symbolism of it is discouraging, in terms of the prospects of American workers ever havibg a backbone again.
 

So, my initial reaction was: Why did those dumbshits fall into the sheeple line and vote against their own interests? Are they morons? Are they masochists?
 
And frankly it triggered that generalization mechanism in my head about what a screwed up idiotic nation of willing victims we have become. Duck Dynasty lovin' meatheads.

And there's the anger that the GOP Gestapo nay have succeeded in intimidating them.

But the rational side of my head tells me that I shouldn't jump to conclusions. 

Maybe they had legitimate reasons. Perhaps VW treats them well, and they don't believe they need a union. Perhaps many of them gave an honest appraisal and decided on balance they were better off without a union.

Dunno. But I really hope there is enough information inthe aftermath that tells the real story, and gives an accurate picture if why this happened.


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1. I have a couple of theories. One is that the workers are treated and paid well. This is because all

the other VW plants are union and VW keeps the pay in line with those shops. Additionally, I suspect the other union shops want to keep the Chattanooga wages and benefits high because they don't want a bunch of work being moved there. Remember, VW's board of director's model has ten employees representatives and ten management types.
My other theory is that there was a whisper campaign that Corker and the Repubs would get the labor laws changed to get the works council that VW wants without UAW representation. The issue with VW is that their works councils in Germany and other countries don't necessarily have third party representation. Our labor laws don't allow for that because when the laws were written the fear was that the companies would set up works councils that were more or less just an extension of management. The UAW had talked with VW and agreed to cooperate with a new model similar to their German works councils. It probably would have been an exciting change. It would have given workers a voice in things other than pay and benefits.
Based on the statements from the reps of VW it sounds like they're going to continue pursuing some type of works council agreement.

From www.nooga.com

"... Throughout this process, we found great enthusiasm for the idea of an American-style works council both inside and outside our plant," Fischer noted. "Our goal continues to be to determine the best method for establishing a works council in accordance with the requirements of U.S. labor law to meet VW America's production needs and serve our employees’ interests."
Sebastian Patta, vice president for human resources, said: "While there was intense outside interest in this election, our managers and employees inside the plant maintained high-quality production and continued to work together in a calm and respectful manner."

http://www.nooga.com/165461/updated-uaw-loses-representation-vote-at-volkswagen-chattanooga/

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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 10:27:22 AM »
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Maybe they don't need your help.
 
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 10:30:47 AM »
In different places,where one can challenge these single brain cell mutants,anytime that BS "voting against their own best interests" line is spouted I remind them of the generational poor living in squalor who have voted dem for decades.
When I ask who it is that is really voting against their own interests I never get an answer.
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 10:34:30 AM »
Chattanooga>Detroit
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2014, 10:51:53 AM »
The UAW ran the Saturn plant in Tennessee and they did wonders for the workers there.
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2014, 11:12:02 AM »
Quote from: jukin on February 15, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
The UAW ran the Saturn plant in Tennessee and they did wonders for the workers there.
I'm curious how many workers at the Vee Dub plant in Chattanooga are former Saturn employees with a good memory...
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2014, 11:55:38 AM »
Quote from: jukin on February 15, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
The UAW ran the Saturn plant in Tennessee and they did wonders for the workers there.

The Saturn plant was doing okay until the union crashed the party.

The UAW is considering raising their monthly dues by 25% from $56 to over $70.  OTOH, when the current contract is up, workers in Michigan will have the choice of not paying dues thanks to Scott Walker. :) The UAW knows that they will lose money. http://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2013/12/uaw-dues-increase-biggest-mistake-two-tier
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 12:16:03 PM »
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Why did those dumbshits fall into the sheeple line and vote against their own interests? Are they morons? Are they masochists?

Detroit comes to mind.

Why should they give their money to a thug union that takes their money and then gives it to Democraps?

Incase you haven't heard, there are both federal and state labor laws that protects the worker, they don't need a middle man.





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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2014, 12:21:41 PM »
Why the UAW needs to die forever, IHMO. Remember this from 2005?


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Marines Not Welcome at UAW Lot

JAMES JOYNER   Â·   MONDAY, MARCH 14, 2005   Â· 
The Detroit News reported in its Sunday edition that Marine reservists driving foreign cars or any vehicle with bumper stickers supporting President Bush are no longer welcome at the UAW’s lot. The commander of the local Marine base has responded in kind.

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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 02:24:00 PM »
The Corvette museum at GM-Bowling Green was built by union labor.

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 02:32:30 PM »
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The Corvette museum at GM-Bowling Green was built by union labor.



Was that photo taken using the process to make things look like models?
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 02:52:40 PM »
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Was that photo taken using the process to make things look like models?

The photog was using his Good Rig. The hole is thirty feet deep.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2014, 03:46:51 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on February 15, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
The photog was using his Good Rig. The hole is thirty feet deep.

It looks like he used tiltshift photography.

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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2014, 04:30:48 PM »
Funny, every time I've been in a NON-union job, I've done better in the long run.
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 04:37:50 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 15, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
The UAW ran the Saturn plant in Tennessee and they did wonders for the workers there.
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2014, 04:47:38 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 15, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
The UAW ran the Saturn plant in Tennessee and they did wonders for the workers there.
Now they have time to do what they enjoy.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2014, 05:58:50 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2014, 06:16:45 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on February 15, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
The photog was using his Good Rig. The hole is thirty feet deep.


I don't recognize this post. Too few spelling/grammar mistakes for a real journo.
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2014, 09:05:53 PM »
Maybe someone pointed this out to the locals:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-30/how-union-law-hurts-a-nonunion-auto-plant.html

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Many Volkswagen workers -- correctly -- look warily at the experience of Volkswagen’s only other U.S. plant, in New Stanton, Pennsylvania. The UAW organized the plant in 1978. Almost immediately, the workers went on strike. The plant lurched from strike to strike and shut down 10 years later. All the union members lost their jobs; the plant could not survive profitably as a UAW operation.

Maybe someone used a DUmmy tactic by writing letters to the editor and on line postings in local newspaper forums, reminding them that unless you're a drunk, drug addict, thief, liar, thug, lazy or incompetent, you don't need a union.
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Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2014, 09:16:16 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on February 15, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
Funny, every time I've been in a NON-union job, I've done better in the long run.

I would think a union could drag you down to being mediocre, especially if you were trying to get ahead in the company.



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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 05:11:35 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 15, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
The Saturn plant was doing okay until the union crashed the party.

The UAW is considering raising their monthly dues by 25% from $56 to over $70.  OTOH, when the current contract is up, workers in Michigan will have the choice of not paying dues thanks to Scott Walker. :) The UAW knows that they will lose money. http://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2013/12/uaw-dues-increase-biggest-mistake-two-tier

I think you meant Rick Snyder instead of Scott Walker
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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2014, 07:08:46 AM »
Quote from: Dori on February 15, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
I would think a union could drag you down to being mediocre, especially if you were trying to get ahead in the company.





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Re: VW Union vote: dumbshits sheeple vote against own interest morons masochists
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 09:52:05 AM »
Quote from: Crazy Horse on February 16, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
I think you meant Rick Snyder instead of Scott Walker

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 02:46:54 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 16, 2014, 09:52:05 AM
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Don't feel bad. Walker started it. Then to IN then finally MI. Made a loop.
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