Tennessee DUmmies enthusiastic about UAW vote at VW plant

[landofconfusion80]

Not really sure what to be happier about: The union getting spanked in a high profile spectacle -or- the primitives and their river of tears. Both are wonders to behold.

[Carl]

What is sweetest is that the UAW is the poster child for all that went wrong with unions.
Look no farther then them DUmbasses when trying to understand why unions died.

[franksolich]

Not really sure what to be happier about: The union getting spanked in a high profile spectacle -or- the primitives and their river of tears. Both are wonders to behold.

Since my own opinions and feelings are so negligible on the scale of important people, important issues, I'm always happier when the primitives are unhappy.

The big guy in Bellevue being unhappy makes me happier, for example, than Hillary Clinton being unhappy.

[Dori]

DUmmy logic?

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024503757

pangaia (2,230 posts)

"UAW falls 87 votes short of major victory in South"

Brought to you by the new American fascism and the republican party, the party that has now convinced 25% of Americans that the sun revolves around the earth..and that workers should have no say whatsoever in the terms and conditions of their employment..

[landofconfusion80]

spanone (75,626 posts)
7. our governor and our u.s. senator bullied the workers....

...and there it is!  those poor weak-minded workers couldn't possibly have a logical thought on their own and did this completely out of fear of some senator,lol.

[thundley4]

Brought to you by the new American fascism and the republican party, the party that has now convinced 25% of Americans that the sun revolves around the earth..and that workers should have no say whatsoever in the terms and conditions of their employment.

B.S. The Dems have had control of education for decades. That is where low info voters come from.

[Freeper]

DUmmy logic?

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024503757

Wait a minute, the workers did have a say, the DUmmy just didn't like what they had to say. The sun revolving around the earf was a very stupid comment too.

[Carl]

pangaia (2,230 posts)

"UAW falls 87 votes short of major victory in South"

Brought to you by the new American fascism and the republican party, the party that has now convinced 25% of Americans that the sun revolves around the earth..and that workers should have no say whatsoever in the terms and conditions of their employment..

Last I checked a person does have a say in the terms and conditions of their employment.
It is called taking a job and doing what you are supposed to.

[Dori]

...and there it is!  those poor weak-minded workers couldn't possibly have a logical thought on their own and did this completely out of fear of some senator,lol.

It's the title that I found absurd, but typical DUmmy circular reasoning.


"UAW falls 87 votes short of major victory in South" 

[Delmar]

Response to pangaia (Original post)Sat Feb 15, 2014, 09:23 AM
sufrommich (14,487 posts)
2. This is so depressing. Why would anyone turn

down union representation? I just don't get it.
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They might have voted against it when they heard that Barry was all for it.  Barry is a dirty liar.  If he is in favor of something, you can bet that it's bad for America.  You'll never go wrong if you just ask yourself "What would Barry do?" and then do the opposite.

Obama weighs in on contentious union vote at Volkswagen plant

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/us-autos-vw-election-idUSBREA1D1DP20140214

[USA4ME]

The primitives complaints have even less validity than at first glance.

VW encouraged the workers to unionize, and they didn't, which tells me that VW's management must be doing a good job of treating their employees fairly. It seems VW is of the opinion that employees should be viewed as part of the overall success of the entire operation, and because of that the employees recognize that a union couldn't provide for them anything they don't already have.

Now other than the fact that not unionizing does nothing to strengthen unions, I'm failing to see how happy employees who are being treated fairly is a bad thing. Sounds like unionizing isn't really about the employees being treated right and more about something else having nothing to do with their employment.

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[Delmar]

I have been reading that the reason that VW wasn't opposed to the UAW coming in was because they wanted some sort of German style works council in Chattanooga that gives employees influence over working conditions. I also read that U.S. law doesn't allow these works councils unless they are union.  That makes no sense to me.  VW should be able to include workers in works councils however they want.  That's their business.  Sounds like a stupid intrusive law that should be done away with.

Still basking in the afterglow of the vote.

 

[JohnnyReb]

I have been reading that the reason that VW wasn't opposed to the UAW coming in was because they wanted some sort of German style works council in Chattanooga that gives employees influence over working conditions. I also read that U.S. law doesn't allow these works councils unless they are union.  That makes no sense to me.  VW should be able to include workers in works councils however they want.  That's their business.  Sounds like a stupid intrusive law that should be done away with.

Still basking in the afterglow of the vote.

 

Damn Straight ....if management wants to converse/dialog with workers about working conditions/safety/quality what business is it of the government?

Oh, I know, the government wants a bunch of thugs between them to keep the workers upset.

[landofconfusion80]

I have been reading that the reason that VW wasn't opposed to the UAW coming in was because they wanted some sort of German style works council in Chattanooga that gives employees influence over working conditions. I also read that U.S. law doesn't allow these works councils unless they are union.  That makes no sense to me.  VW should be able to include workers in works councils however they want.  That's their business.  Sounds like a stupid intrusive law that should be done away with.

Still basking in the afterglow of the vote.

 

That's absolutely not true about some law.  I work for a German owned company and the amount of committees and meetings would shock you. There's routine safety meeting where all employees are welcomed, a recycling committee for the resident hippies, and some sort of employee representative committee although I don't really know or care what it's about.  Don't know if it's like that at the other factories, but any other representation really isn't needed.

[Dori]

Apparently there were some typical Union tactics prior to this vote.

This vote was done by secret ballot, but not without a previous battle.

Workers will begin voting in a secret ballot election beginning on Feb. 12. Labor watchdog groups celebrated the decision to hold a traditional organizing vote, rather than the card check campaign that the UAW attempted to invoke in late 2013.

http://freebeacon.com/right-to-vote/

[Skul]

I see it more as a full rejection of uaw, and not unions in general.
Got to wonder if another less intrusive union was involved, they may have voted in favor.

Hard telling.

[Delmar]

That's absolutely not true about some law.  I work for a German owned company and the amount of committees and meetings would shock you. There's routine safety meeting where all employees are welcomed, a recycling committee for the resident hippies, and some sort of employee representative committee although I don't really know or care what it's about.  Don't know if it's like that at the other factories, but any other representation really isn't needed.

I don't know the details, but here is what I was talking about:

Workers at each factory elect a works council to make decisions with bosses over local issues, such as work schedules, while the larger national union negotiates pay and other major bargaining points. It was expected that the two-part system would take hold in Chattanooga, the only notable Volkswagen plant that didn’t have a works council. And in the U.S., labor law experts said a works council couldn't be created without a union representing the workers as well.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-volkswagen-uaw-vote-20140214,0,1974254.story#ixzz2tPLT7OJ9

Though it's probably a lie.

I maybe should have said that it sounds like a stupid intrusive law that should be done away with--if it does indeed exist.

[JohnnyReb]

Copied from an article...???????

One of the reasons that VW’s Tennessee plant has flourished, while the company’s Pennsylvania facility floundered, is because of the former remained free of union ties.

“Automakers were looking for a labor force that was more willing to work and less adversarial—they were freer than the UAW workforce in Michigan,” said Grant, a Tennessee resident and former union member.

[DLR Pyro]

SoapBox (7,198 posts)

14. I sure hope they get everything and more, from this vote!

Like lower wages, higher costs on healthcare, NO protections of any kind in the event of something negative happening to them...and the list goes on.

Back in 2007 when a few malcontents in my department pushed to get us to vote for a union, I asked one of them what would we get from a union that we don't already have.  His answer was protection.  I asked him what do we need protection from.  He replied protection from the company "****ing" with you if you screw up.  I told him that if you show up to work when you are supposed to, and do the job you are supposed to, you don't need protection because the company needs our skills and knowledge to get the job done.  We work with large quantities of explosives daily and I don't want some lazy DUmmy working next to me who is secure in the knowledge that the union will protect him if he is careless and makes stupid unsafe mistakes.  Unfortunately thru union deception and lies we inadvertently "voted" the union in thru the card count procedure, but were able to get the union to back off after we filed a suit with the NLRB who threatened a criminal investigation against the union for deceptive practices.

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
TheDebbieDee (8,937 posts)
5. You mean these dummies voted for the right to work for less?

no DUmmy.  The intelligent workers voted for the right to work without being harassed by a bullshit union.

Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:43 PM  bigdarryl (10,343 posts)
12. Nothing surprises me when it come to those southern huckleberry dumb asses

sounds like a racist slam against white people from the South if you ask me.

[Undies]

In the world of the little goon-ass DUmmies, everything that was normal in the past is now old fashion and immaterial to the present EXCEPT labor unions and employee relations.  For those items, we will forever be stuck n 1938......or at least stuck there as long as it benefits their sick evil politics and the disgusting democrat party.    

[Skul]

One DUmmie gets part of it right.   

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024503258

Response to Armstead (Original post)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 10:01 AM

Seeking Serenity (2,058 posts)

6. Maybe some of the "no" votes
were against the idea of being represented by the UAW. Ya think???? 

[Delmar]

That's absolutely not true about some law.  I work for a German owned company and the amount of committees and meetings would shock you. There's routine safety meeting where all employees are welcomed, a recycling committee for the resident hippies, and some sort of employee representative committee although I don't really know or care what it's about.  Don't know if it's like that at the other factories, but any other representation really isn't needed.

I found a good answer to the question about a U.S. law that forbids non-union works councils from Bloomberg's James Sherk via newsbusters:

How Union Law Hurts a Nonunion Auto Plant
... German law requires “works councils” in which management and labor groups meet to collaboratively sort out workplace issues. Consequently, there is a works council at every Volkswagen plant -- except the one in Chattanooga. Now, under pressure from IG Metall, the German union, Volkswagen AG (VOW)’s headquarters has decided it wants a works council in the U.S., too.
But there’s a hitch. U.S. labor laws prohibit companies from discussing working conditions with employee representatives -- unless they belong to outside unions. In the 1930s, Congress feared businesses would create bogus “company unions” to keep union organizers at bay, so it banned “management-dominated” labor organizations.
This outlaws even innocuous employee-involvement programs. For example, Webcor Packaging Corp., based in Flint, Michigan, created a council of elected employees and appointed managers to suggest improvements to its work rules, wages and benefits. The company wanted their employees’ input, yet the government ordered the council disbanded. If American workers want a voice on the job, they must speak through a union.
Its wish for ongoing worker-management dialogue explains why VW management thought allowing the UAW to organize its plant would be a good idea.

Though they likely have no problem with such a dialogue, the majority of the plant's workers told the company that they wouldn't accept union membership as a requirement for having it take place.

The legal or regulatory relic of a prior era which prevents worker-management communications should be relegated to history's dustbin. If that were the case, VW and its workers could have gotten what both parties clearly want without having to try to invite the UAW in to make it happen. In that sense, though the union is the most obvious loser, no one has really "won."



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/02/15/update-ap-revision-vw-chattanooga-story-laments-loss-potential-watershed#ixzz2tPR3qCMw

[landofconfusion80]

^thanks for the info! this stuff is always interesting.  I've always been curious if unions would be interested in repealing OSHA and labor boards since that pretty much negates their reason for existing in the first place.

[98ZJUSMC]

pangaia (2,230 posts)

the party that has now convinced 25% of Americans that the sun revolves around the earth..

You got that a little backwards, dupe, and besides, just how does the Republican Party do that?

B.S. The Dems have had control of education for decades. That is where low info voters come from.

Exactly.  

EDIT:

Here's the questions on that survey.  Note the bolded below:

1. The center of the earth is very hot
2. The continents have been moving their location for millions of years and will continue to move
3. Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth?
4. All radioactivity is man-made
5. Electrons are smaller than atoms
6. Lasers work by focusing sound waves
7. The universe began with a huge explosion  
8. It is the father’s gene that decides whether the baby is a boy or a girl
9. Antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria
10. Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals  

Bombing that survey is an indictment of a failed educational system built, maintained and dumbed down by PROGRESSIVES, not Republicans.  I know!  Let's throw more money at it!!

[GOP Congress]

Actually, VW wanted the union, but that's not because they are in love with union politics. They actually have a vested interest in always maintaining communication, both individual and in groups, between management and employees. But current union law FORBIDS such communication UNLESS the employees are in an actual union. This law was put in place because, back in the 30's, the unions were afraid that car companies would set up phony "internal company" unions that would be nothing but shams.

In every VW plant around the world EXCEPT in the United states, they have an employee/management communication process called a Workplace Council, and such a process can only be done legally in the United States if the employees are represented by an outside union. That is the law put in place by the socialist-minded 1935 National Labor Relations Act, which outlawed company unions.

So even though the vote was relatively close, I would imagine that part of the impetus for this law was the advantage VW saw in providing for a process that actually WORKS, and not for a love of unions themselves, which actually facilitate an ongoing hostile environment that PREVENTS such an optimal process.

And, if unions are so great, why do major unions recommend that you HIDE all organizing efforts from management in the first place? That speaks loudly of a fascist state more than anything... but here it is in black and white...

http://www.cwa-union.org/pages/how_to_organize_a_union

When talking among yourself about a union, be sure to talk only while you are on breaks, away from work areas, or off company property. Organizing a union is legal and a protected right under the law, but you need to avoid tipping off management as long as possible. If your employer finds out, especially when you are in the beginning stages of identifying key workplace issues and building union support, your road to success will be much more difficult.