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No babies? - Declining population in Europe
« on: June 29, 2008, 05:35:23 PM »
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In the 1990s, European demographers began noticing a downward trend in population across the Continent and behind it a sharply falling birthrate. Non-number-crunchers largely ignored the information until a 2002 study by Italian, German and Spanish social scientists focused the data and gave policy makers across the European Union something to ponder. The figure of 2.1 is widely considered to be the “replacement rate” — the average number of births per woman that will maintain a country’s current population level. At various times in modern history — during war or famine — birthrates have fallen below the replacement rate, to “low” or “very low” levels. But Hans-Peter Kohler, José Antonio Ortega and Francesco Billari — the authors of the 2002 report — saw something new in the data. For the first time on record, birthrates in southern and Eastern Europe had dropped below 1.3. For the demographers, this number had a special mathematical portent. At that rate, a country’s population would be cut in half in 45 years, creating a falling-off-a-cliff effect from which it would be nearly impossible to recover. Kohler and his colleagues invented an ominous new term for the phenomenon: “lowest-low fertility.”

To the uninitiated, “lowest low” seems a strange thing to worry about. A few decades ago we were getting “the population explosion” drilled into us. The invader species homo sapiens, we learned, was eating through the planet’s resources and irretrievably fouling and wrecking its fragile systems. Has the situation changed for the better since Paul Ehrlich set off the alarm in 1968 with his best seller “The Population Bomb”? Do current headlines — global food shortages, climate change — not indicate continuing signs of calamity?

To many, “lowest low” is hard evidence of imminent disaster of unprecedented proportions. “The ability to plan the decision to have a child is of course a big success for society, and for women in particular,” Letizia Mencarini, a professor of demography at the University of Turin, told me. “But if you would read the documents of demographers 20 years ago, you would see that nobody foresaw that the fertility rate would go so low. In the 1960s, the overall fertility rate in Italy was around two children per couple. Now it is about 1.3, and for some towns in Italy it is less than 1. This is considered pathological.”

There is no shortage of popular explanations to account for the drop in fertility. In Athens, it’s common to blame the city’s infamous air pollution; several years ago a radio commercial promoted air-conditioners as a way to bring back Greek lust and Greek babies. More broadly and significant, social conservatives tie the low birthrate to secularism. After arguing for decades that the West had divorced itself from God and church and embraced a self-interested and ultimately self-destructive lifestyle, abetted above all by modern birth control, they feel statistically vindicated. “Europe is infected by a strange lack of desire for the future,” Pope Benedict proclaimed in 2006. “Children, our future, are perceived as a threat to the present.” In Germany, where the births-to-deaths ratio now results in an annual population loss of roughly 100,000, Ursula von der Leyen, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s family minister (and a mother of seven), declared two years ago that if her country didn’t reverse its plummeting birthrate, “We will have to turn out the light.” Last March, André Rouvoet, the leader of the Christian Union Party in the Netherlands (and a father of five), urged the government to get proactive and spur Dutch women to have more babies. The Canadian conservative Mark Steyn, author of the 2006 best seller “America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It,” has warned his fellow North Americans, whose birthrates are relatively high, that, regarding their European allies, “These countries are going out of business,” and that while at the end of the 21st century there may “still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands,” these will “merely be designations for real estate.”

According to a paper by Jonathan Grant and Stijn Hoorens of the Rand Europe research group: “Demographers and economists foresee that 30 million Europeans of working age will ‘disappear’ by 2050. At the same time, retirement will be lasting decades as the number of people in their 80s and 90s increases dramatically.” The crisis, they argue, will come from a “triple whammy of increasing demand on the welfare state and health-care systems, with a decline in tax contributions from an ever-smaller work force.” That is to say, there won’t be enough workers to pay for the pensions of all those long-living retirees. What’s more, there will be a smaller working-age population compared with other parts of the world; the U.S. Census Bureau’s International Database projects that in 2025, 42 percent of the people living in India will be 24 or younger, while only 22 percent of Spain’s population will be in that age group. This, in the wording of a Demographic Fitness Survey by the Adecco Institute, a London-based research group, will result in a “war for talent.” And the troubles for Europe are magnified by other factors in the existing welfare states of many of its countries. Europeans are used to early retirement — according to the Adecco survey, only 60 percent of men in France between the ages of 50 and 64 are still working.

The issue of immigration is related to “lowest low” as well. The fears on the right are of a continent-wide takeover by third-world hordes — mostly Muslim — who have yet to be infected by the modern malady called family planning and who threaten to transform, if not completely delete, the storied, cherished cultures of Western Europe. And to venture into even-deeper waters, no one knows how Europe’s birthrate might play out globally: whether it will contribute to the diminishing of Western influence and Western values; whether, as Steyn’s book title suggests, America will have to go it alone in this regard.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/magazine/29Birth-t.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5124&en=bcd12e2cc156fea4&ex=1372305600&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

I snipped relevant parts.

It's miles long but worth a read. I found it interesting that the NYT ran this. And that they stumbled onto some truths. Of course it is filled with the obligatory, "socialism is the answer, 19th century notions and conservative family values clash with the modern world...." stuff. On page 6, the author admits that the U.S., unlike those socialist utopias in Europe, has managed to maintain birthrates while being flexible enough to allow women the chance to stay on the career track.
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Re: No babies? - Declining population in Europe
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 07:54:50 PM »
The "enlightened" countries will decimate their own populations over a couple generations, making lots of room for the "less enlightened" immigrants to move in and make the land (and government, and laws) their own.  "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow our grandchildren will be virtual slaves in their own land."
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Re: No babies? - Declining population in Europe
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 08:38:16 PM »
The "enlightened" countries will decimate their own populations over a couple generations, making lots of room for the "less enlightened" immigrants to move in and make the land (and government, and laws) their own.  "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow our grandchildren will be virtual slaves in their own land."

If more immigrants did come to those countries, would that be so bad? They would have a chance at a better life than what their country currently offers. Meanwhile, the population of the European country doesn't die out. Some might argue that the culture will die out, but it happens.
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Re: No babies? - Declining population in Europe
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 08:39:56 PM »
The "enlightened" countries will decimate their own populations over a couple generations, making lots of room for the "less enlightened" immigrants to move in and make the land (and government, and laws) their own.  "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow our grandchildren will be virtual slaves in their own land."

If more immigrants did come to those countries, would that be so bad? They would have a chance at a better life than what their country currently offers. Meanwhile, the population of the European country doesn't die out. Some might argue that the culture will die out, but it happens.

Immigrants who want a better life? Good.

Immigrants who want to tear down their host country? Bad.

Go poke around the interwebs and tell me which one you find more of in Europe.
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