BigTiTs gives Woody the Pole... er... Shaft... um... Poll.

[dutch508]

BainsBane (22,766 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024452374

Poll on the Woody Allen, Dylan Farrow situation
You had to know a poll was coming. I've kept the options as simple as possible. Select the one that best fits your assessment of the events in question.

 

It is likely that Woody Allen molested Dylan, as she recounted in the New York Times
27 (31%)
 I think it more likely that Woody did not molest Dylan.  
6 (7%)
 I have no idea what happened
49 (56%)
 Other--explain below
5 (6%)
 0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.


Yeah... DUmpmonkiez feel that Woody is a creapy little ****... Well... 27 of them do... so far.

 

Ken Burch (32,651 posts)
4. I believe Dylan(children do NOT lie about this)but is this really appropriate as a POLL question?

Children lie all the time, Ken.

BainsBane (22,766 posts)
16. I've been surprised by the number of men here who have disclosed experiences

of sexual assault, either as children or adults. I think far more men are survivors than we realize. I agree about your assessment of the Woody Allen defenders though. I also think many of them picture themselves in a position of being falsely accused.

 

 

seabeyond (91,698 posts)
17. agree with what you say.... absolutely. and i think some feel they are entitled, a mans right

regardless. those men are the fewest, i believe.

we have had enough threads over the years to make me very very aware of the number of men abused as children.

Um... can someone Nadin this for me and tell me WTF she is talking about?
 

[Skul]

The needle on my gNadometer is boinking the peg.  Even it's not sure. 

[Chris_]

That girl is as dumb as a stump and has the papers to prove it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Not exactly a mole trap, more of a new kind of trap based on the new 'Hidden posts' rule.  This kind of trap is designed to get the foes of the feminazis to argue, lose their tempers, get alerted, and then get the Big Time Out.

[franksolich]

That girl is as dumb as a stump and has the papers to prove it.

Uh, which one?

I'm guessing it's the retarded now-returned seabyond.

[Zathras]

The needle on my gNadometer is boinking the peg.  Even it's not sure. 

Please don't use gNad and "boinking" in the same sentence....EVER AGAIN!!!!

[dutch508]

Updated : 11:53 MST

It is likely that Woody Allen molested Dylan, as she recounted in the New York Times
42 (31%)
 I think it more likely that Woody did not molest Dylan. 
11 (8%)
 I have no idea what happened
76 (57%)
 Other--explain below
5 (4%)
 0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.

Most vote "Present"

seabeyond (91,712 posts)
22. i do not fully agree with you, and i do not disagree either....

It's like my horoscope the other day, "It could either be a very good day or a very bad day". 

TM99 (1,006 posts)
20. Politely but bluntly

it is incredibly arrogant and wrong-headed to believe that you can know the 'tells' of sexual abuse just because you are woman, have experienced sexual harassment, and consider yourself a feminist.

I am a man. I was sexually abused from the ages of 7 to 9. I am a psychologist. I have practiced somatic psychotherapies from almost 25 years. With all of my personal experience, years of therapy and supervision, professional training, and professional experience, I know that there are no 'tells' certainly such that I or anyone can or could look at this muddled and dysfunctional family system and know for sure that Dylan Farrow was molested.

Additionally, my mother is a brilliant and loving woman who was a 'feminist' long before many of y'all were even born. She was a damned fine mother who still had no idea I was being molested. She didn't miss any 'tells' because there weren't any to miss.

I watch fellow therapists, men and women, who have unresolved abuse issues carry that counter-transference into the counseling relationship. They see abuse where there was not any, and often miss the more subtle signs that could lead to a realization of abuse because of their unfinished business and arrogance.

There is enough information that counters sexual molestation as there are claims of it in this case. I am not arrogant enough to presume that I know for sure unless I actually have clinical contact with those involved.

Oh, My. What was that for?

This ------>

seabeyond (91,712 posts)
15. after reading this for a couple days, it seems what i hear, is the people that excuse allen

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have no interest, thought, knowledge, awareness of sexual abuse. they do not need to have interest, thought, knowledge or awareness of abuse because they are not in a position in life cause of gender or circumstance that make that knowledge vital.

as a mom protective of my children, and a woman, that has experienced sexual harassment, and a feminist that has read many many many stories, i am in a position where tells are easy to see.

my husband on the other hand that has always lived in a safe world, doesnt have interest in feminism and womens experience, wants to just enjoy life in his privilege and entitlement which allows him this perspective and not the parent that does the emotional work with the children, he would not see the tells, at all, not even a little. they would have to be pointed out to him. and then, they would have to be explained to him. he would be open, but it would not be something he comes to on his own.

where as a man, and i can think of a few on du, that grew up with sexual assault or experienced it are in the same position where tells are easy to see.

not really a gender issue, more a privilege/entitlement, experience issue.

so those that listen to the story and say meh.... to many of the tells that throw up a flag will never even kinda get why it is obvious to so many of us.

when having the responsibility to our children, to protect them, without causing the children to have to live in the adult world responsible for their own safety because it is the parents job, then it makes it very clear and easy for the parent.

there is no fooling around. there is no wishy washy. there is a line and when someone steps over, even a toe, not even planting the foot on the ground yet? done. that person is done being around the kids, or ever to be trusted alone with them. it is not something any of us would ever play with.

 
 

[USA4ME]

seabeyond

my husband on the other hand that has always lived in a safe world, doesnt have interest in feminism and womens experience, wants to just enjoy life in his privilege and entitlement which allows him this perspective and not the parent that does the emotional work with the children, he would not see the tells, at all, not even a little. they would have to be pointed out to him. and then, they would have to be explained to him. he would be open, but it would not be something he comes to on his own.

Hmmm. I wonder who wears the pants in that family?

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