DUmmies discuss legalizing heroin (re: Phillip Seymour Hoffman)

[Ralph Wiggum]

Unknown Beatle (623 posts)

Philip Seymour Hoffman Didn't Have to Die


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Details are still emerging, but it appears that the heroin found in Hoffman's apartment belongs to nasty strain of laced heroin known by such names as "Ace of Spades" and "Theraflu."

Hoffman was only 46-years-old, a master of his craft, and a father of three young children. It is truly a tragedy that someone with that much talent and that much to live for died so young.

But perhaps the most tragic thing of all is that Hoffman's death could very easily have been prevented.

It could have been prevented if we in the United States started to do what countries like the United Kingdom and Switzerland have been doing for years: prescribing heroin to heroin addicts.

This sounds counterintuitive, but it actually makes perfect sense once you understand how heroin works.

More: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21645-philip-seymour-hoffman-didnt-have-to-die

Yeah, that sounds like just a WONDERFUL plan. 

Whisp (21,770 posts)
1. I need a better link than that.

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Very interesting and thanks for bringing it up. I'll go looking around.

http://www.extratv.com/2014/02/03/did-philip-seymour-hoffman-die-from-deadly-heroin-strain/

Eight of the empty bags were stamped with “Ace of Spades” and “Ace of Hearts,” which reportedly could be street names for a deadly mix of heroin laced with the opiate fentanyl. The drug has also been known as "Theraflu," "Bud Ice" and "24K,” and has been linked to more than 100 deaths in America.

Cops are not sure if this strain caused Hoffman's death, but they told TMZ that "everything's in play" until they get results from toxicology.

M0rpheus (442 posts)
5. Links in the article...

After the Swiss legalized prescription programs in the mid-1990s, they saw an immediate drop in both drug related deaths and deaths due AIDS among drug addicts.
More recent studies have reached the same conclusion.
A paper published by the New England Journal of Medicine in 2009 looked at a set of experimental prescription programs in Canada and found that they "led to a significant reduction of crime and overdose deaths."

Similar new research put out in 2012 by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction found that the benefits of prescription heroin include,
"...a major reduction in the extent of continued injecting of 'street' heroin, improvements in general health, psychological well-being and social functioning, as well as major disengagement from criminal activities (such as acquisitive crime to fund continued use of 'street' heroin and other street drugs)."

RainDog (26,694 posts)
2. Harm reduction policies aren't popular in the U.S.

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This nation revels in creating classes of people to demonize and punish.

We are not a forward-thinking nation. We are infested with puritanical hate-mongers who think it is their duty to make sure those with problems suffer for them.

And they vote for the same sort of politician.

polichick (33,795 posts)
6. True - and we are more backward than ever...

The powers that be saw the backlash to the 60s as the perfect opportunity to use fear to their advantage.

LiberalEsto (19,170 posts)
4. Perhaps, perhaps not

How many times have we read about perfectly legal, theoretically regulated products like cantaloupes, lettuce, beef, cheese, etc. causing mass poisonings and/or deaths?

Sure DUmmies, just legalize everything and let God sort it out.

[DefiantSix]

Sure DUmmies, just legalize everything and let God sort it out.

I could live with that.

[Purple Sage]

Great idea!  Country will go solid red through natural selection.

[GOBUCKS]

Too bad DUmmy Taverner was banned.

This whole Hoffman business just reaffirms his observation that the press wants to emphasize only the negatives when it comes to heroin.

[marv]

Great idea!  Country will go solid red through natural selection.

^5

[JohnnyReb]

Give 'em an inch(pot) and they'll take a mile(heroin).

[beefeater]

1st comment at the linked article at WillPitts Troofout...

[MoshMasterD]

1st comment at the linked article at WillPitts Troofout...

That's our good ol' DOTY #7

[Gina]

Great idea!  Country will go solid red through natural selection.

I am all for that.  Between them killing their babies and overdosing....

[Mr Mannn]

Typical. The very first chance they get they call for legalization of drugs. It is why they are DUmmies.

But perhaps the most tragic thing of all is that Hoffman's death could very easily have been prevented.

It could have been prevented if we in the United States started to do what countries like the United Kingdom and Switzerland have been doing for years: prescribing heroin to heroin addicts.

I really do not think saving lives is worth legalization. Darwin. Let the addicts die. Spray poison on the poppy fields, let it be brought in and sold. MIHOP (make it happen on purpose).

(and Tav, I wouldn't warn you in advance either)

  Die, DUmmies.

[GOBUCKS]

Typical. The very first chance they get they call for legalization of drugs. It is why they are DUmmies. I really do not think saving lives is worth legalization. Darwin. Let the addicts die. Spray poison on the poppy fields, let it be brought in and sold. MIHOP (make it happen on purpose).

(and Tav, I wouldn't warn you in advance either)

Yes! If our CIA were as...uh..pragmatic as the DUmmies believe, it would have done this ages ago.

[Chris_]

Hoffman had 50 packets of heroin in his home.  No amount of legalization is going to save someone from their own stupidity.

[FlaGator]

If we were to make murder and felony assault legal we could really lower the rate of violent crime.

[GOBUCKS]

If we were to make murder and felony assault legal we could really lower the rate of violent crime.

It pretty much is legal on the South Side of Chicago, but they breed faster than they can kill one another.

Seventeen-year-old victims leave four children and four widows.

[DumbAss Tanker]

But perhaps the most tragic thing of all is that Hoffman's death could very easily have been prevented.

It sure could have...by the stupid **** not using heroin in the first place.

[DefiantSix]

Give 'em an inch(pot) and they'll take a mile(heroin).

Then there's the idiots who don't even get the inch...

...Like this DUmmy:

[Dori]

Will the DUmmies buy the drugs with their EBT cards or do they just get it for free?  I guess either way, we would still be stuck paying for it.

[Tucker]

Sure DUmmies, just legalize everything and let God sort it out.

I'll arrange the meeting.

[DefiantSix]

I'll arrange the meeting.

No arranging required.  This is a self-correcting problem.

[Duke Nukum]

I could have been prevented by not sticking a needle in his arm, but I guess that is too simple an answer.

[Tucker]

No arranging required.  This is a self-correcting problem.

Needs to be sped up

[Celtic Rose]

Hoffman surely had access to, and could afford, pure heroin. I would bet that if it was indeed mixed with fentanyl that he wanted it that way.

[GOBUCKS]

I'm surprised none of the DUmp conspiracy experts have pointed out how furious the Scientology nuts were a year or so ago when Hoffman played an L. Ron Hubbard character in "The Master".

Hoffman was just an innocent heroin junkie victimized by a Scientology fatwa.

And I hear that Tom Cruise was seen near Hoffman's apartment on Saturday.

A little disappointed in the DUmmies for missing this.

[98ZJUSMC]

After the Swiss legalized prescription programs in the mid-1990s, they saw an immediate drop in both drug related deaths and deaths due AIDS among drug addicts.
More recent studies have reached the same conclusion.
A paper published by the New England Journal of Medicine in 2009 looked at a set of experimental prescription programs in Canada and found that they "led to a significant reduction of crime and overdose deaths."

Similar new research put out in 2012 by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction found that the benefits of prescription heroin include,
"...a major reduction in the extent of continued injecting of 'street' heroin, improvements in general health, psychological well-being and social functioning, as well as major disengagement from criminal activities (such as acquisitive crime to fund continued use of 'street' heroin and other street drugs)."

Uh-huh.  And now, their once picturesque and pristine parks are littered with junkies.  This, from a Swiss resident.

[Airwolf]

And let's say that you get heroin made legal. When the first asshole gets high and drives a bus or a plane and crashes it killing who knows how many people are you going to be so sympathetic for them as you are for a now dead actor?