Primitives bemoan the fate of executed rapist/murderer

[b-ONE-b]

"The people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names.’’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024342656

Nye Bevan

Cruel, barbaric and disgusting. This makes me ashamed to be an American. History will not judge this kindly.

Arugula Latte

I am against the death penalty. I think it is never justified. Putting that aside, this vicious country still condones official murder by the state. I have held several of my animals as they were put to sleep. First they are given a shot that heavily sedates and relaxes them, then they are given a shot that almost instantly stops their heart. IF the death penalty is going to be applied (and again, I think it never should be applied), then WHY can't they do it in a way that causes almost instantaneous death for a human being? There is really no excuse for these botched state-run murders.

Samantha

Just wanted to refresh my memory, so I looked it up:

The Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that "cruel and unusual punishments inflicted". The general principles the United States Supreme Court relied on to decide whether or not a particular punishment was cruel and unusual were determined by Justice William Brennan. In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
"A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion." (Furman v. Georgia temporarily suspended capital punishment for this reason.)
"A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
"A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary." /snip

OK so... let's look at a couple facts while ridiculing the DUmmies.

The condemned murderer, Dennis Mcguire raped and stabbed a 22 year old 8 month pregnant woman to death in 1989.

I'm personally not too concerned about his manner of death.

Oh... and the DUmmies use words like suffering and agony... They said that in the first seconds the guy was UNCONSCIOUS from the IV. In the operating room you are unconscious when they split you open, crack the ribs and perform open heart surgery. No groaning, no sensation of pain, just an unconscious body. No pain. So HOW do the DUmmies postulate that the murderer felt a damn thing? If he was unconscious/didn't feel a damn thing, how could he have suffered?

Here's my thoughts... the 8th Amendment was written in 1791. It forbids cruel and unusual punishment for a crime. In 1791 it appears the standard manner of execution was hanging. So the 8th Amendment is basically saying that hanging is the golden standard and you shouldn't use another method that may be more painful, odd, bizarre or cruel.

So... logic says... just go back to hanging. Hanging or a multi drug cocktail, the choice of the condemned.

Me personally I'd like to imagine an instant vaporization method. Open up a kiln door and throw a thimble of water in, POOF! Instantly gone. So invent some giant incinerator with unbelievable power and heat. Dude drops through a trap door and the body never hits the bottom of the incinerator. POOF.

[dane]

OK so... let's look at a couple facts while ridiculing the DUmmies.

The condemned murderer, Dennis Mcguire raped and stabbed a 22 year old 8 month pregnant woman to death in 1989.

I'm personally not too concerned about his manner of death.

Oh... and the DUmmies use words like suffering and agony... They said that in the first seconds the guy was UNCONSCIOUS from the IV. In the operating room you are unconscious when they split you open, crack the ribs and perform open heart surgery. No groaning, no sensation of pain, just an unconscious body. No pain. So HOW do the DUmmies postulate that the murderer felt a damn thing? If he was unconscious/didn't feel a damn thing, how could he have suffered?

Here's my thoughts... the 8th Amendment was written in 1791. It forbids cruel and unusual punishment for a crime. In 1791 it appears the standard manner of execution was hanging. So the 8th Amendment is basically saying that hanging is the golden standard and you shouldn't use another method that may be more painful, odd, bizarre or cruel.

So... logic says... just go back to hanging. Hanging or a multi drug cocktail, the choice of the condemned.

Me personally I'd like to imagine an instant vaporization method. Open up a kiln door and throw a thimble of water in, POOF! Instantly gone. So invent some giant incinerator with unbelievable power and heat. Dude drops through a trap door and the body never hits the bottom of the incinerator. POOF.

"Poof" is ok I suppose.  But I could also go along with execution by the same means the executionee used on his/her victim.  

I also think the multi year delay in carrying out the sentence is excessive.  One failed appeal, and it's over.  POOF

Edited to add this.  Here's a thread that is a direct counter to the bemoaning one.  The OP is long, I'm just bringing the header, but there is a lot of good stuff in this campfire. It needs a thread of its own here, but I don't know how to do it justice. 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024351106

cherokeeprogressive (17,056 posts)
I think there are acts that PERMANENTLY disqualify a person from participation in human society.

A whole lot more

[tanstaafl]

Personally, I'd like more of the condemned choose death by firing squad.

[diesel driver]

Personally, I'd like more of the condemned choose death by firing squad.

Personally, I'd like to see more of the condemned actually DIE!

20-30+ years on death row is a joke.

[MrsSmith]

I read the description of his death...other than the fact that he was unconscious and felt no pain, he died a lot like the unborn infant.  Except, of course, the infant was not unconscious and was most certainly in agony during the slow suffocation process.  But of course, the agony of the mother and the child is meaningless to the left (unless they happened to be killed by a Republican, or a cop, or a gun. Then their agony could be used for political reasons...)

[Mr Mannn]

Interestingly the Feminazi anti-rape squad had nothing to say.
Its more important to accuse all men as potential rapists than to actually give a rapist/murderer his just due.

The TRUTH:
1) Democrats are soft on crime. They would gladly imperil your life to further their own false agenda.
2) You simply cannot expect a democrat to fight crime or fight a war.
3) Democrats identify with criminals and national enemies. Democrats will NOT protect you.
4) Nor will Democrats allow you to protect yourself.

Bonus TRUTH for this thread.
Feminists talk about rape, but will never ever allow a woman to protect herself.
The left finds a dead woman (whose body is found in an ally), to be morally superior to a woman who protects herself by shooting a rapist dead.

[vesta111]

Personally, I'd like to see more of the condemned actually DIE!

20-30+ years on death row is a joke.

Some time after PC and the web were invented, I read a short Sci-Fi story that addressed this problem.

In the future the story went those condemned to die were placed in a special cell.  Everyone had to pay a small fee to participate in voting.

While the condemned was eating their last meal the world was voting on was he to live or die.     If the vote came in he should live he was taken back to his or her cell and given a life sentence.  

If the vote came in for death, the prisoner was vaporized, instantly, had no idea of it coming and there was no pain or worry, he/she enjoying their last meal just went POOF.

Oh the money that would be made  from the world for those that guessed the outcome.

If this became a fact in the future with all the facts laid out before hand, sort of like Court TV but the world became the jury.

No pain, no suffering, very civilized.

Now if this happens in your life time would you buy a $5.00 ticket to be able to vote ?    The odds makers  would clean up and fill a stadium full of voting machines at each seat with a wide screen projector, the bookies would be able to be on site and like the Dog tracks one if guessing correctly could claim their money on the spot.

Remember also that when there was a public hanging of a pick pocket the crowds came from miles around to watch.   Many returned home to find someone in the crowd had pick pocked their time piece as they stood watching the hanging.

 

[BadCat]

Personally, I'd like more of the condemned choose death by firing squad.

I'd let them choose between an injection of Drano or Clorox.

[DumbAss Tanker]

In cases of outrageous crimes and unquestionable guilt, I'm no fan of the Eighth Amendment.  Slowly feeding them into a plastic shredder or a fire just seems to quick and easy for what they deserve.

[jukin]

Personally, I'd like more of the condemned choose death by firing squad.

I think flaying would be better. Lots of pain and takes a long while before the POS dies. Plus you get a nice skin suit.

Also, the democrat party is run by criminals for the betterment of criminals.

[Mike220]

Personally, I'd like more of the condemned choose death by firing squad.

Wyoming and Missouri lawmaker agree...

Fox

CHEYENNE, WYO. –  A Wyoming lawmaker is pushing to allow use of the firing squad to execute condemned state inmates if constitutional problems or other issues ever prevented the state from using lethal injection.

Sen. Bruce Burns, R-Sheridan, said Monday that state law currently calls for using a gas chamber if lethal injection is unavailable.

"The state of Wyoming doesn't have a gas chamber currently, an operating gas chamber, so the procedure and expense to build one would be impractical to me," said Burns, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"I consider frankly the gas chamber to be cruel and unusual, so I went with firing squad because they also have it in Utah," Burns said. He's introduced the bill for consideration in the legislative session that starts Feb. 10 in Cheyenne.

STL Today

JEFFERSON CITY • When Rep. Paul Fitzwater, R-Potosi, signed his name as co-sponsor of a bill that would allow execution by firing squad, he was thinking of the victims.

That last minute or so of a murder victim’s life can be brutal: He or she doesn’t get to take an injection to die, Fitzwater said.

“People look at inmates who will be executed as victims,” Fitzwater said. “But the real victims have no voice because they are gone.”

Currently, the state puts inmates to death through injection of a lethal drug, although the current law also allows for gas — the method by which 39 people were executed from 1938 to 1965.

The House bill adds the option of firing squad executions consisting of five law enforcement officers chosen by the state corrections director.

[Delmar]

Dennis McGuire’s attorney Allen Bohnert called the convicted killer’s execution ‘‘a failed, agonizing experiment’’ and added: ‘‘The people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names.’’

Anti-science DUmmies don't believe in experimentation.  We, as a society, have to run experiments to figure out the best way to rid ourselves of this kind of filth.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNuups_j4A[/youtube]

[longview]

I love my state.

There is a lot of support here for the firing squad.  And, yes, I could do it.

Now in all the years I've shot animals (deer, antelope, put down horses/cows/dogs/cats), there was only one time that it took more than one shot.  That really bothered me, too.  I still am not sure how that happened.  But I suspect that it may take several tries for me to hit the kill spot on a scum like the one the DUmmies love.

[tanstaafl]

I'd let them choose between an injection of Drano or Clorox.

False choice.

Sometimes Drano isn't enough to remove the clog. Then you have to get the flexible rod out at poke at it. Very strenuous, labor intensive and tiring.

[Mike220]

I love my state.

Seems like a nice place. I'd love to live there. I'm looking at oil and gas field jobs up that way but I'm not having much luck so far.

[BlueStateSaint]

I think flaying would be better. Lots of pain and takes a long while before the POS dies. Plus you get a nice skin suit.

Vlad Tepes had the right idea.

[seahorse513]

Death by hanging, or even better decapitation by sword!! like the good ol'days!!

[Big Don]

The environmentally responsible way to execute people would be with a large injection of air, which is free and the needle is reusable, that or hanging, the rope is reusable too...
What happened to letting the punishment fit the crime? Sure, execute those who gave their victims painless deaths painlessly, every other murdering,raping asshole can go out with pain

[thundley4]

"I consider frankly the gas chamber to be cruel and unusual, so I went with firing squad because they also have it in Utah," Burns said.

What's wrong with building a gas chamber/bedroom.  Give the person a heavy sedative to knock him out, then pump carbon monoxide into the room.  They would go peacefully in their sleep.


I prefer giving the victims family the choice of how the guilty should die.

[Mr Mannn]

Death by hanging, or even better decapitation by sword!! like the good ol'days!!

I like the bare-chested, pot-bellied Axeman with a black hood. Go out with style!
And you can throw a Renfaire too! Huzzah!

[BlueStateSaint]

The environmentally responsible way to execute people would be with a large injection of air, which is free and the needle is reusable, that or hanging, the rope is reusable too...
What happened to letting the punishment fit the crime? Sure, execute those who gave their victims painless deaths painlessly, every other murdering,raping asshole can go out with pain

I agree--if they can't be impaled, the 'green' way is to use hanging.  The rope can be recycled.

[vesta111]

What's wrong with building a gas chamber/bedroom.  Give the person a heavy sedative to knock him out, then pump carbon monoxide into the room.  They would go peacefully in their sleep.


I prefer giving the victims family the choice of how the guilty should die.

Revenge is a human emotion, unless one is a wolverine and some really interesting story's  have come out about these animals getting even with humans that harm their family.  

Some strange traditions about what to do with those that harm others and how the culture handled the problem.

The Bible is an interesting source to start with, both Old and New, darn I would not want to have lived in those times and be falsely accused of a crime.

I saw this newspaper picture not that long ago that showed a group outside a prison protesting the execution of some villain. Across from them were people supporting the execution and one sign caught my eye.   A priest was holding up a sign that read " any of you ever had an abortion ?"

And so it goes, part of human life, an Eye for an Eye, or, rape my wife and I get to rape yours.  

Much to debate here, remember they once had to tie sandbags on the starving kids that stole a crust of bread in order to hang them.

[67 Rover]

Most states already have multiple execution chambers called Planned Parenthood, I propose they use exactly the same methods used in those house of horror facilities and we can sit back and watch the libtards try to explain how that is cruel and unusual while simultaneously defending abortion.

[JohnnyReb]

Most states already have multiple execution chambers called Planned Parenthood, I propose they use exactly the same methods used in those house of horror facilities and we can sit back and watch the libtards try to explain how that is cruel and unusual while simultaneously defending abortion.

Just clip that spinal cord....watch their eyes get big as bodily functions start to shut down....shouldn't take long and with no connection to the brain....painless. It's being done that way every day so what's wrong with it ACLU?

[NHSparky]

Oh, did the po widdle murderer suffer?

Good.