BainsBane Propositioned By A Pimp

[anti-spelunker]

Alex, you still have some questions to answer.

To those, I'll add one more: How was the pot roast?

Thanks for the link. I won't have to dig back through.  The pot roast came out okay eventually.  I had a few issues because I used a new pressure cooker, which I had never done before.  I put too much liquid in so had to reduce it down to give it adequate flavor.  I also didn't have enough wine because I only picked up one of those little bottles. It's okay now, but not my best effort.  

[obumazombie]

I never said that.  Not once. 

You have more than insinuated it from your constant reference to Keynes.

[anti-spelunker]

What, libs lying ?
You think thats an anomoly ?

What if I'm a conservative pretending to be a lib pretending to be BainsBane?   

[obumazombie]

What if I'm a conservative pretending to be a lib pretending to be BainsBane?   

You're not a conservative. That much is certain.

[HawkHogan]

What a load of shit.  Late term abortions were rare, and generally only used in cases where the life of the mother was in jeopardy.  I know the idea that women's lives mean anything is an anathema to many conservatives, but some women  think they shouldn't have to die because a bunch of old men want to play politic is with their lives.

Where are these abortion numbers from?  They get batted around a lot, but how are they collected?  What is the original source for the numbers?

Here's one of the most recent articles on Google.

The article uses a variety of resources including CDC numbers.

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/12/56662169-abortions-in-america-since-roe-vs-wade-in-1973/

Late-term abortions aren't rare.  Since the Gosnell trial, there's been a number of abortion doctors who were caught performing gruesome late-term abortions. A doctor in Texas was decapitating babies, while the one in Maryland has had a number of his "patients" die as a result of his late-term procedures.  

Liberals made a movie celebrating four late-term abortion doctors.  You celebrated Wendy Davis, who filibustered for late term abortions.  Late-term abortions are the most sacred cow of your platform.  You really are a despicable bunch.  It's funny, during all your supposed university studies, you probably read about cultures like the Mayans or the Aztecs, and you thought they were despicable, yet you worship at the altar of aborted unborn babies.  

[Freeper]

What if I'm a conservative pretending to be a lib pretending to be BainsBane?  

Wouldn't be the first time it's happened. We had a poster pretend to be Trumad once.

[obumazombie]

HawkHogan is on to something...big !

[anti-spelunker]

When I was a younger woman with an income level where I could barely support myself, let alone a baby, the last thing I'd do would be to allow myself to become impregnated.  Why aren't parents and liberal indoctrination centers (aka public schools) teaching young women about the dangers of unprotected sex? 

Mine certainly did.  I even had sex ed class with condoms passed around in Catholic School.  I think you know that conservatives have led a push against sex education in schools because they think it leads to sex, which is obviously insane.

[Freeper]

Mine certainly did.  I even had sex ed class with condoms passed around in Catholic School.  I think you know that conservatives have led a push against sex education in schools because they think it leads to sex, which is obviously insane.

How about parents being parents and teach their own kids all about that stuff?

[obumazombie]

Mine certainly did.  I even had sex ed class with condoms passed around in Catholic School.  I think you know that conservatives have led a push against sex education in schools because they think it leads to sex, which is obviously insane.

The insane are not qualified to judge insanity.

[anti-spelunker]

Why not, either way I don't really care.

I have read enough of her stuff to understand she is not the sharpest tool in the shed and that's fine.

Personally, I find you standing your ground better then Bain is doing on the island but is just me so, you go female !

Interesting observation.  It may be because people here actually want to know what I think, whereas there they just want me to keep quiet since I refuse to go along with the popular view.  

[obumazombie]

Interesting observation.  It may be because people here actually want to know what I think, whereas there they just want me to keep quiet since I refuse to go along with the popular view.  

I observed as much as posted in reply #444.

[EagleKeeper]

Interesting observation.  It may be because people here actually want to know what I think, whereas there they just want me to keep quiet since I refuse to go along with the popular view.  

Interesting observation indeed.

Wouldn't this ordinarily get you exiled from the island?

Frankly I'm sensing a fake mole pretending to to be Bain.

So Whatever.

[HawkHogan]

The insane are not qualified to judge insanity.

She also ignores the studies that show that increased access to abortion doesn't actually lead to less abortions.   You see, liberals like Jugs just look as abortion as another form of contraception.  

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/contraception/fact-sheets/greater-access-to-contraception-does-not-reduce-abortions.cfm

[Carl]

Interesting observation.  It may be because people here actually want to know what I think, whereas there they just want me to keep quiet since I refuse to go along with the popular view.  

Maybe you have addressed this already but don`t care.

If you are who you claim then I am curious...

Why now is Hillary your partys heir apparent,at every turn she unzipped and pissed on all feminism and leftism claims to stand for?
She let Bill humiliate and denigrate her for decades and has chased wealth like a starving vulture.

Forgetting that hypocrisy why have you sworn unconditional allegiance to the party that calculated the black guy with no record was a better chance then her?

Why do you still drop to your knees in front of him when he has treated women with disdain,hiding behind the skirts as the old saying goes of Hillary,Susan Rice,Sebelius,Candy Crowley in the debate,etc?

Don`t you feel at all conflicted being such a feminist militant yet in an instant political expediency washes it all to the side?

[Traveshamockery]

Mine certainly did.  I even had sex ed class with condoms passed around in Catholic School.  I think you know that conservatives have led a push against sex education in schools because they think it leads to sex, which is obviously insane.

And that is exactly why I asked that.  You have proved my point. 

If schools are teaching it, they are failing - big time.  That's why parents should be responsible for teaching their children about sex education.  Of course, far too many parents these days have no business having and raising children. 

[anti-spelunker]

"I'm not a huge fan of guns" doesn't even begin to cover it. You have full-on, foaming-at-the-mouth, undiluted hoplophobia (fear and hatred of guns), and an equal fear and hatred of the good and decent citizens who own and carry them.

How about some other rights:
1. Individual liberty
2. Life
3. The natural right of self-defense
4. Property and Trade: the right to possess, buy, sell, and barter privately owned property or goods without government permission
5. Freedom of speech (careful on that one, it's a DU minefield!)
6. Freedom of choice (pick one: choose your own health insurance policy, choose to carry a weapon for self-defense, choose charter school or home-schooling  children, choose to watch adult movies)
7, Freedom of religion (think "nuns" and "forced subsidizing of contraception")
8. Freedom to raise children in accordance with the parents' values

We'll come back to the personal and institutional sexism of the Ku Klux Klams later, if you're not banned for re-registering after your la

Easy ones first. 7) Freedom of religion I believe in strongly.  Freedom of religion and freedom from the religion.  The constitution handles that well.
8) Yes, of course.  But if that includes someone's beating the crap out of their kids or molesting them, I'm going to have a problem with that.  The state then has a responsibility to intervene to protect the well-being of the child. 

I support the rest but we would likely differ on interpretation.  Guns.  I understand the constitution is interpreted as protecting an individual right to bear arms.  I would prefer a society without handguns, but I don't have that option, so I favor reasonable gun control reforms, some of which I have already outlined.

I hate insurance.  I hate having to buy car insurance.  I hate insurance companies.  I believe healthcare should be a right.  Our healthcare system is the least cost effective in the world.  I support single payer, unapolegetically.  We could dole out less corporate welfare and defense spending and support a far more cost effective single payer system that would save all of us money. 

Of course I support the right to self defense, but real self defense.  Not because some yahoo gets spooked cause he's afraid of black guys. There needs to be an actual threat.  I do not support Stand Your Ground laws. 

Number 4.  When do you think the government has ever not been involved in trade?  There has always been government regulation of some kind.  Are you talking about an anarchistic system with absolutely no government regulations?  No, I don't support that.  There certainly has been no point in US history when the govt wasn't involved in trade, with of course the exception of piracy, smuggling and other blackmarket commerce. 

1 and 2, yes.  How we interpet those likely vary.  For example, I think my right to life means there should be more restrictions of guns.  I think a fetus is part of a woman's body and her decision to make as to whether she wants to keep or abort it.  I consider abortion a moral issue, but it is a personal moral issue.  The state does not have the right to privilege the life of a fetus over the mother or to control the mother's body.  I personally oppose abortion but I also support a woman's right to choose.  Just as I personally oppose invetrofertilization but recognize my moral understanding of that is not universal.  I have a very old fashioned view that only God, or whatever force of creation exists, has the right to create or take a life.  I don't, however, belief my own morality needs to be imposed on the rest of the nation. 

You want to home school your kids, as long as you're competent, it's fine by me.  Same with private schools, but don't expect me to pay for it. 

[obumazombie]

^Freedom of religion is not freedom from it.


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[Carl]

Easy ones first. 7) Freedom of religion I believe in strongly.  Freedom of religion and freedom from the religion.  The constitution handles that well.
8) Yes, of course.  But if that includes someone's beating the crap out of their kids or molesting them, I'm going to have a problem with that.  The state then has a responsibility to intervene to protect the well-being of the child. 

I support the rest but we would likely differ on interpretation.  Guns.  I understand the constitution is interpreted as protecting an individual right to bear arms.  I would prefer a society without handguns, but I don't have that option, so I favor reasonable gun control reforms, some of which I have already outlined.

I hate insurance.  I hate having to buy car insurance.  I hate insurance companies.  I believe healthcare should be a right.  Our healthcare system is the least cost effective in the world.  I support single payer, unapolegetically.  We could dole out less corporate welfare and defense spending and support a far more cost effective single payer system that would save all of us money. 

Of course I support the right to self defense, but real self defense.  Not because some yahoo gets spooked cause he's afraid of black guys. There needs to be an actual threat.  I do not support Stand Your Ground laws. 

Number 4.  When do you think the government has ever not been involved in trade?  There has always been government regulation of some kind.  Are you talking about an anarchistic system with absolutely no government regulations?  No, I don't support that.  There certainly has been no point in US history when the govt wasn't involved in trade, with of course the exception of piracy, smuggling and other blackmarket commerce. 

1 and 2, yes.  How we interpet those likely vary.  For example, I think my right to life means there should be more restrictions of guns.  I think a fetus is part of a woman's body and her decision to make as to whether she wants to keep or abort it.  I consider abortion a moral issue, but it is a personal moral issue.  The state does not have the right to privilege the life of a fetus over the mother or to control the mother's body.  I personally oppose abortion but I also support a woman's right to choose.  Just as I personally oppose invetrofertilization but recognize my moral understanding of that is not universal.  I have a very old fashioned view that only God, or whatever force of creation exists, has the right to create or take a life.  I don't, however, belief my own morality needs to be imposed on the rest of the nation. 

You want to home school your kids, as long as you're competent, it's fine by me.  Same with private schools, but don't expect me to pay for it. 

Yet you expect and demand I pay for your birth control and maternity care.

[HawkHogan]

^Freedom of religion is not freedom from it.


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Not one thing she mentioned is supported by the Constitution or the intentions of the Framers. 

[anti-spelunker]

You're not a conservative. That much is certain.

What is it that Frank always says, It's easier for "good and decent people" to pretend to be libs than for libs to pretend to be "good and decent" conservatives?
You never know.  I could be Frank's triumph of a triple mole par excellence. 

[obumazombie]

What is it that Frank always says, It's easier for "good and decent people" to pretend to be libs than for libs to pretend to be "good and decent" conservatives?
You never know.  I could be Frank's triumph of a triple mole par excellence. 

No.

[Big Dog]

I'll confess.  I read it somewhere from someone who sounded like he knew what he was talking about.

The person who wrote that didn't know what he was talking about.

I could well be wrong.  I have not read Keynes

I have. You're wrong.

Keynes' The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money is available for free download here.

I invite you to read it. Keynes' central thesis was the "benefit" of central economic planning to prevent severe economic downturn. A two sentence summation of Keynes would be "Spend money you don't have when times are good. Spend more money you don''t have when times are bad". Do you know what Keynes' forgot (or ignored)? Putting money back in the piggy bank.

They're not available online as free downloads, but ]F.A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom and The Constitution of Liberty are must-reads. In chapter 7 of The Road to Serfdom, you will recognize your Democrat Party masters by the end of the fourth paragraph.

[Freeper]

Easy ones first. 7) Freedom of religion I believe in strongly.  Freedom of religion and freedom from the religion.  The constitution handles that well.
8) Yes, of course.  But if that includes someone's beating the crap out of their kids or molesting them, I'm going to have a problem with that.  The state then has a responsibility to intervene to protect the well-being of the child. 

I support the rest but we would likely differ on interpretation.  Guns.  I understand the constitution is interpreted as protecting an individual right to bear arms.  I would prefer a society without handguns, but I don't have that option, so I favor reasonable gun control reforms, some of which I have already outlined.

I hate insurance.  I hate having to buy car insurance.  I hate insurance companies.  I believe healthcare should be a right.  Our healthcare system is the least cost effective in the world.  I support single payer, unapolegetically.  We could dole out less corporate welfare and defense spending and support a far more cost effective single payer system that would save all of us money. 

Of course I support the right to self defense, but real self defense.  Not because some yahoo gets spooked cause he's afraid of black guys. There needs to be an actual threat.  I do not support Stand Your Ground laws. 

Number 4.  When do you think the government has ever not been involved in trade?  There has always been government regulation of some kind.  Are you talking about an anarchistic system with absolutely no government regulations?  No, I don't support that.  There certainly has been no point in US history when the govt wasn't involved in trade, with of course the exception of piracy, smuggling and other blackmarket commerce. 

1 and 2, yes.  How we interpet those likely vary.  For example, I think my right to life means there should be more restrictions of guns.  I think a fetus is part of a woman's body and her decision to make as to whether she wants to keep or abort it.  I consider abortion a moral issue, but it is a personal moral issue.  The state does not have the right to privilege the life of a fetus over the mother or to control the mother's body.  I personally oppose abortion but I also support a woman's right to choose.  Just as I personally oppose invetrofertilization but recognize my moral understanding of that is not universal.  I have a very old fashioned view that only God, or whatever force of creation exists, has the right to create or take a life.  I don't, however, belief my own morality needs to be imposed on the rest of the nation. 

You want to home school your kids, as long as you're competent, it's fine by me.  Same with private schools, but don't expect me to pay for it. 

I love how you say you don't want to impose your morals when it comes to abortion, but when it comes to guns you have no problem trying to impose your morals.

You don't personally oppose abortion, when you actively fight to allow it you don't oppose it.

[Big Dog]

Thanks for the link. I won't have to dig back through.  The pot roast came out okay eventually.  I had a few issues because I used a new pressure cooker, which I had never done before.  I put too much liquid in so had to reduce it down to give it adequate flavor.  I also didn't have enough wine because I only picked up one of those little bottles. It's okay now, but not my best effort.  

Little bottles of wine?

The proper ratio is 1 cup of wine in the pot : the rest of the bottle in the cook. If you buy little bottles, you're only cheating yourself.