DUmmies pick the best/worst Presidents since 1900

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024279549

Jmaxfie1
These would be your choices:
William McKinley (1897-1901)   
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909)   
William Howard Taft (1909-1913)   
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)   
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929)   
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)   
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)   
Harry S Truman (1945-1953)   
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961)
John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)   
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)
Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Gerald Ford (1974-1977)   
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)   
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)   
George Bush (1989-1993)   
Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
George W. Bush (2001-2009)   
Barack Obama (2009-present)

Pick your Best three and bottom three. If you want pick bottom three democrats also!

My Favorite: FDR, Truman, JFK. Least favorite Democrats: Wilson, Clinton, Carter.

Seriously... I'm trying to understand their logic or lack thereof.

Their choices are poor even from a liberal/progressive aspect.

Let's start.

JFK. I feel bad that he got killed by the leftist. But HOW can he be judged as a great or even above average President? He was President for 2 years and 10 months. What did he do? He gave a nice speech or two. In 1961 JFK made the mistake of getting into a pissing contest with Krushchev over a Krushchev speech that was produced for internal value. JFK inflamed tensions with the Russians at the Vienna summit. JFK wears the "Bay of Pigs" fiasco around his neck. JFK stumbled in the Cuban Missile Crisis, nearly starting a nuclear war and had a vague South American policy friendly to some tyrants.
JFK created the Peace Corps so that's cool, I guess. JFK set the stage for the Vietnam War and supported Civil Rights although he tapped MLK's phones. He loosened up fiscal policy and his economy, for 2 years was good. He was the main proponent of the Space program leading to a Moon landing years later. Oh and he was handsome, had a hot wife and cute kids and was banging Marilyn Monroe.

I see about 60% negative stuff, 40% decent stuff... he looks like a slightly below average President.

FDR. I could type for hours but I don't have the patience. FDR created the Parasite class and changed America for the worse. FDR was played like a FLUTE by Stalin during WWII and his WEAKNESS led to the Cold War. He played the first years of WWII about right though assuming the US didn't want to be involved in a European War in 1939.

I'm seeing one of the worst Presidents ever, certainly in the "bottom 10".

Drunken Irishman
FDR, LBJ and Obama

My god the stupidity.

LBJ?? The guy who botched the Vietnam War, said "“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Or the guy who signed the worst Gun Legislation in US history? He ran NASA right though... thumbs up there.

I'm seeing another below average President...

Obama. LMFAO. I just can't go on. Obama has done precisely NOTHING other than burying the American economy, weakening the US as a superpower and bowing to foreign dictators. Oh and hatching Health Care for parasites.

I'm seeing bottom 10 President material right there.

Clinton. Look at the numbers, the economy and such... I'm gonna rank Billy Jay as average at best.



 

[Skul]

Mole trap.

[franksolich]

Don't forget.

Herbert Hoover and J.C. Superstar were hailed as a "Great Humanitarian."

Now we know what it's like, having a humanitarian president.

[Charles Henrickson]

My three favorite:

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Calvin Coolidge
3. Dwight Eisenhower

My three least favorite, tied for last:

Franklin Roosevelt
Lyndon Johnson
Barack Obama

[CollectivismMustDie]

JFK...

How do they reconcile "ask not what your country can do for you...", out of the mouth of an NRA life member?

If he were alive holding those stances today, he'd be a "tea party extremist racist bigot gun nut" as far as they're concerned.

 


CMD

[Delmar]

Why did the DUmmies only go back as far as 1900?  So they could avoid talking about Honest Abe and the1860s equivalent of Alec Baldwin who killed him?

[GOBUCKS]

TL;DR

[thundley4]

JFK would have a better chance of getting the RINO nomination than the Dhimmicrat nomination today.

[miskie]

Why did the DUmmies only go back as far as 1900?  So they could avoid talking about Honest Abe and the1860s equivalent of Alec Baldwin who killed him?

Exactly.

[obumazombie]

I have an ongoing argument with the libs on my other forum. They want to make out that W is the worst president ever. I say owebuma, and that W isn't even in the 10 worst presidents list. But what I do is document owebuma's failures. All they do is assert.

[miskie]

I have an ongoing argument with the libs on my other forum. They want to make out that W is the worst president ever. I say owebuma, and that W isn't even in the 10 worst presidents list. But what I do is document owebuma's failures. All they do is assert.

Fairly typical lib response.

Something is or is not because they deem it so. Any facts that contradict their assertions are brushed off as propaganda.

[jukin]

The worst:
Obama
Carter
LBJ
Nixon
Wilson

[HawkHogan]

Exactly.

And the Dummies don't want to include the Founders of the country in their lists either since their beliefs about limited government would cause liberals to label them as anarchists and right-wing nut jobs. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I thought the DUmmies would love Wilson, so I'm very confused.  Then again, I'm not a DUmmy...hard to understand their mindset.

[franksolich]

I thought the DUmmies would love Wilson, so I'm very confused.  Then again, I'm not a DUmmy...hard to understand their mindset.

I always rated Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson fairly highly; in fact, Johnson was the best Democrat president in my lifetime, although he can't hold a candle to any of the (R) ones.

Wilson was a closet totalitarian, a know-it-all, and an open segregationist, but I never paid attention to those sides of him; I've always been rather more impressed by his commitment to bring democracy to the oppressed and downtrodden in the world.

Johnson surely has to stand heads above any Democrat presidents since himself; surely he ranks higher than J.C. Superstar, the Impeached One, and the doofus currently in the White House.

I will admit however that sentimentality plays a part in my perception of Johnson; I was young, but not too young, when he was president.  Even as a kid, I was shocked at the ingratitude of those for whom he did so much (admittedly, with other people's money)--college students, the poor, minorities, the young, the aged.

The more stuff he gave them, the more they loathed him; they should've been kissing his ass, not kicking it.

For a kid, that was an awesomely powerful lesson; that there actually are people who bite the hand that feeds them

[Ralph Wiggum]

I always rated Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson fairly highly; in fact, Johnson was the best Democrat president in my lifetime, although he can't hold a candle to any of the (R) ones.

Wilson was a closet totalitarian, a know-it-all, and an open segregationist, but I never paid attention to those sides of him; I've always been rather more impressed by his commitment to bring democracy to the oppressed and downtrodden in the world.

Johnson surely has to stand heads above any Democrat presidents since himself; surely he ranks higher than J.C. Superstar, the Impeached One, and the doofus currently in the White House.

I will admit however that sentimentality plays a part in my perception of Johnson; I was young, but not too young, when he was president.  Even as a kid, I was shocked at the ingratitude of those for whom he did so much (admittedly, with other people's money)--college students, the poor, minorities, the young, the aged.

The more stuff he gave them, the more they loathed him; they should've been kissing his ass, not kicking it.

For a kid, that was an awesomely powerful lesson; that there actually are people who bite the hand that feeds them

If I had to pick my favorite Dem president in that time-frame, I'd go with Truman.  But I understand what you are talking about.

[Carl]

Father detested Wilson (he detested all democrats but some more then others) and told me how Wilson when running for reelection made his major campaign theme that "he kept us out of war".
Almost immediately after being reelected he pushed the US into WWI.
Regardless of what one thinks of the policy it just proves that the modern democrat party he fathered has always had to campaign on lies.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Father detested Wilson (he detested all democrats but some more then others) and told me how Wilson when running for reelection made his major campaign theme that "he kept us out of war".
Almost immediately after being reelected he pushed the US into WWI.
Regardless of what one thinks of the policy it just proves that the modern democrat party he fathered has always had to campaign on lies.

IIRC, Wilson campaigned on an isolation policy and vowed never to get involved in foreign wars.

[Carl]

IIRC, Wilson campaigned on an isolation policy and vowed never to get involved in foreign wars.

Correct because that was the popular sentiment of the day,he could never have been reelected vowing to enter the European war so flat out lied about his intent.

[DumbAss Tanker]

JFK...

How do they reconcile "ask not what your country can do for you...", out of the mouth of an NRA life member?

If he were alive holding those stances today, he'd be a "tea party extremist racist bigot gun nut" as far as they're concerned.

 


CMD

JFK is a particularly hard guy to classify.  He did a lot of good but also fathered a lot of totally unmitigated disasters, thanks in part to him letting his national intelligence apparatus get completely off the leash in the foreign affairs arena.  His appointment of the utterly-unqualified RFK as AG (Rubber-stamped by a Senate his party controlled, in a total partisan abdication of their proper role), and then RFK's over-the-top illegalities in pursuit of his headliner targets, set the tone for most of the problems that still plague the DOJ today.  Yet he was also personally courageous beyond question and had a sincere concern for equal rights.  He may well be the guy who belongs on both the best AND the worst list. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

JFK is a particularly hard guy to classify.  He did a lot of good but also fathered a lot of totally unmitigated disasters, thanks in part to him letting his national intelligence apparatus get completely off the leash in the foreign affairs arena.  His appointment of the utterly-unqualified RFK as AG (Rubber-stamped by a Senate his party controlled, in a total partisan abdication of their proper role), and then RFK's over-the-top illegalities in pursuit of his headliner targets, set the tone for most of the problems that still plague the DOJ today.  Yet he was also personally courageous beyond question and had a sincere concern for equal rights.  He may well be the guy who belongs on both the best AND the worst list. 

Another issue is that he was in office for less than 3 years.  And the supposed glamour of "Camelot" has obviously enhanced his reputation. 

[jukin]

Another issue is that he was in office for less than 3 years.  And the supposed glamour of "Camelot" has obviously enhanced his reputation. 

If Nixon had won (which I believe he did) there would not have been a Cuban Missile Crisis. If there had been with the exact same results it would have been all Nixon's fault. The end result of the Cuban Missile Crisis was the removal of our missiles out of Turkey. Kennedy delivered a blow to our defense and reputation. The left is smart in that they have had a monopoly on the media for a good long time.

[Charles Henrickson]

Johnson was the best Democrat president in my lifetime. . . .

frank, I love ya, man, but here I must heartily disagree. My lifetime is just about the same as yours, but until Ubama recently pulled even with him (if not overtook him), I would have to rank LBJ as the worst president of my lifetime! This is the man who gave us both the Great Society and Vietnam! A double whammy! Two disasters of epic proportions!

[Vagabond]

My three favorite:

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Calvin Coolidge
3. Dwight Eisenhower

My three least favorite, tied for last:

Franklin Roosevelt
Lyndon Johnson
Barack Obama

H5!  Mine are, more or less, the same.

[Vagabond]

I always rated Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson fairly highly; in fact, Johnson was the best Democrat president in my lifetime, although he can't hold a candle to any of the (R) ones.

Wilson was a closet totalitarian, a know-it-all, and an open segregationist, but I never paid attention to those sides of him; I've always been rather more impressed by his commitment to bring democracy to the oppressed and downtrodden in the world.

Johnson surely has to stand heads above any Democrat presidents since himself; surely he ranks higher than J.C. Superstar, the Impeached One, and the doofus currently in the White House.

I will admit however that sentimentality plays a part in my perception of Johnson; I was young, but not too young, when he was president.  Even as a kid, I was shocked at the ingratitude of those for whom he did so much (admittedly, with other people's money)--college students, the poor, minorities, the young, the aged.

The more stuff he gave them, the more they loathed him; they should've been kissing his ass, not kicking it.

For a kid, that was an awesomely powerful lesson; that there actually are people who bite the hand that feeds them

Frank as someone who was making money repairing section 8 housing I have learned this truth, people who are given something have no respect for the gift or the person giving it to them, especially when they did not ask for it.  The fact is that Johnson could have capped income at $20,000 and required anyone who made more than that continue to work and have required every one be given housing and food, and they would have hated him even worse.  It would have been because the federal government didn't offer free train rides or something.