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Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« on: January 04, 2014, 07:31:05 PM »
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29. how very convenient- and dishonest of you to omit the other things I listed and just what
the **** have YOU done that makes YOU so precious that you feel entitled to lecture me.

do elaborate. I await with bated breath, friend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024275393#post29

I am using iPhone so difficult to cut and paste posts to bring over.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 07:38:03 PM »
Cali, calm down. You're scaring the earwigs again.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 07:43:20 PM »
The bitter old Vermontese cali primitive's original post:

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cali (90,375 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:59 AM

Economic Recovery, my ass.

Today, twice as many college graduates as 5 years ago, are making the minimum wage. The gap between rich and poor with the continuing dissolution of the middle class continues at breakneck speed.
 
An economic "recovery" that doesn't include the poor and the middle class is a sham. Sure the stock market is thriving and housing prices continue to rebound, but that doesn't substantially help the poor or the middle class.
 
Unemployment benefits are being slashed. Food Stamps, slashed, and cuts to many other programs result in a social safety net with enormous holes. How is that an economic recovery?
 
The unemployment rate has supposedly fallen to 7% but that figure ignores the reality: It doesn't include part time workers or the long term unemployed.
 
Only 21 states have a minimum wage above the federal minimum and more and more workers are stuck in minimum wage jobs.
 
There is a concerted push to enact the TPP and other "trade" agreements that will compound the economic injustice. Congressional leaders of both parties are hard at work at passing Trade Promotion Authority within the next several months.
 
This is an economic recovery that benefits those at the top and cruelly disregards the vast majority.
 
That's the simple truth of the matter.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 07:46:34 PM »
Looks like the cali DUche is coming around to the reality of the Obama economy.

I wonder what she wants on the pizza.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 07:49:59 PM »
Since our esteemed and much-beloved colleague formerlurker can't do it from an iphone (whatever an iphone is; really, I have no idea), here's the context:

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KG (24,307 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:19 AM

28. berating pixels on a message board is that one's activism. I guess you gotta start somewhere...

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cali (90,375 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:23 AM

29. how very convenient- and dishonest of you to omit the other things I listed and just what

the **** have YOU done that makes YOU so precious that you feel entitled to lecture me.
 
do elaborate. I await with bated breath, friend.

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toby jo (766 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:57 AM

34. oh shit, cali, dude is on your side.

Thanks for what you've done. It's those little persistent calls and actions that , at least in my opinion, push the wall back. If every one of us would just push, eh?

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whopis01 (1,527 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 12:17 PM

36. I don't think KG was targeting you with that post

I read it as KG was adding to your comment saying that the other poster (the one you were responding to) was the one that only berated people on a message board.
 
Maybe I am wrong, but I think that post was in support of your comments, no against them.

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KG (24,307 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:52 PM

44. try a little reading comprehension some time.

that elaborate enough?

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NYC_SKP (56,634 posts)    Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:09 AM

20. Oh come on, RB-- Doesn't posting on discussion boards count for anything?

And don't forget emails to congress and online polls and...

Calling others "hon", that too.*

*in reference to the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive calling a fellow primitive "hon" in a comment not brought over.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 07:53:09 PM »
Attn primitives: Unless you are personally donating $100K+ a year to Democrat candidates, then you're a nobody.

That makes 99.999999% of you peons in the eyes of the party leaders.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 08:04:44 PM »
It's that realization that semi-popular person has when they find out they've just been used as the butt of the popular kids cruel joke.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 08:52:34 PM »
I note our friend Lilith was the first in line to smooch her wrinkled smelly old ass.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2014, 09:32:50 PM »
Before I forget...
The libs are pushing to increase the minimum wage.
Should unemployment not have the same standard ?
Wait till some lib gets ahold of this idea.
Or maybe they already have and are working on implementation, just like they did with reparations.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 12:50:21 AM »
Does sending vibes, hugs, healing white light, or photos of folded hands count?  Those actions are big in DUmmyland.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 12:59:07 AM »
Does sending vibes, hugs, healing white light, or photos of folded hands count?  Those actions are big in DUmmyland.

No, don't count at all. This thing is so BIG that only tangible actions will do the trick. Y'know, push walls, e-mail congresscritters, sign on-line petitions, get fired from your job, break a leg.

Stuff like that. Real stuff.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 01:59:34 AM »
Looks like the cali DUche is coming around to the reality of the Obama economy.

I wonder what she wants on the pizza.

If so, she's still in denial.  I don't think any of them could bring themselves to admitting the "truth". 
              

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2014, 02:01:49 AM »
Before I forget...
The libs are pushing to increase the minimum wage.
Should unemployment not have the same standard ?
Wait till some lib gets ahold of this idea.
Or maybe they already have and are working on implementation, just like they did with reparations.

They kind of already are with the National Guaranteed Income tripe.  They were all a twitter until the Swiss sent it down in flames.
              

Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 10:02:47 AM »
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29. how very convenient- and dishonest of you to omit the other things I listed and just what
the **** have YOU done that makes YOU so precious that you feel entitled to lecture me
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do elaborate. I await with bated breath, friend.
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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2014, 10:12:18 AM »
So...when will any of you morons at DU admit your guy has FAILED and when will any of you perhaps admit even just a small admission that perhaps the economic policies you support are damaging for economic prosperity and the middle class you claim to love and support? After all, you all were in charge during all of this and the list Cali bestowed us with has been the result. At some point you would think the (illegal) incandescent bulb would go off in your cobwebbed, dim cranial cavity...

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2014, 10:24:00 AM »
They kind of already are with the National Guaranteed Income tripe. 

I heard this being talked about yesterday.   It was said that if everyone over 18 were given a guaranteed monthly income, and we dumped everything else, as a country we would financially be better off. 

I would like to see some numbers on how that would work.










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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2014, 10:31:07 AM »
I heard this being talked about yesterday.   It was said that if everyone over 18 were given a guaranteed monthly income, and we dumped everything else, as a country we would financially be better off. 

I would like to see some numbers on how that would work.













I'd like to see those given a 'guaranteed income' contribute in some way too no matter how menial. I just don't believe in this something for nothing crap. And there are creative ways to go about this. For example, an individual who is taking care of a disabled family member could essentially be 'paid' for the same job that medicaid would pay for nursing care for that individual. That is the kind of 'guaranteed income' I could live with since we've transferred the burden of care of the family while offering the same(and likely less) resources to keep their family member in the environment where they are used to. It would require some creativity though at the government levels as to what people may already be doing without compensation hat could take the place of other services we could eliminate like the one I mentioned above where a disabled family member is under medicaid and we pay for a nurse already. The benefits of both is the family member does not feel like they are not contributing in anyway and desperate for help and the disabled person gets the care...we are just bypassing the government red tape and sometimes several 3rd parties to accomplish the same thing.

However, even that type of system would have to be assessed for abuse for those who would used a disabled family member to get income but not dole out any care.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2014, 10:34:34 AM »

I'd like to see those given a 'guaranteed income' contribute in some way too no matter how menial. I just don't believe in this something for nothing crap. And there are creative ways to go about this. For example, an individual who is taking care of a disabled family member could essentially be 'paid' for the same job that medicaid would pay for nursing care for that individual. That is the kind of 'guaranteed income' I could live with since we've transferred the burden of care of the family while offering the same(and likely less) resources to keep their family member in the environment where they are used to. It would require some creativity though at the government levels as to what people may already be doing without compensation hat could take the place of other services we could eliminate like the one I mentioned above where a disabled family member is under medicaid and we pay for a nurse already. The benefits of both is the family member does not feel like they are not contributing in anyway and desperate for help and the disabled person gets the care...we are just bypassing the government red tape and sometimes several 3rd parties to accomplish the same thing.

However, even that type of system would have to be assessed for abuse for those who would used a disabled family member to get income but not dole out any care.

They are already doing that through SSI I think.

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Re: Cali: WTF have YOU done?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2014, 10:42:02 AM »
They are already doing that through SSI I think.

Oh yes, it's changing that is for sure. Even in the last decade, this has become a reality which really is a blessing in situations where the needs are not extreme medical issues requiring nursing care but supervision and some training and developmental care is required none the less. I have a son who is disabled and my mother cares for him in our home when he's not in school obviously and when I need her to, but because he's under 18, this is state specific(and yet another reason for now my own mobility with jobs is limited to this state). There are others in states without waivers who are struggling to both meet the needs of a disabled family member and work to provide for the family as a whole. I'd just like to see what we are able to do be addressed more if we ever went to some guaranteed income thing before we just start throwing  money at the uber leaches on the bottom that's all:-)

edit to add, I am not familiar with SSI, but for minors you pretty much only have Medicaid and if you have income you only  have that under a waiver in states that allow it. In other words they recognize the disability as so profound as to outpace any income in most modest situations putting the person in  a situation of choosing care or work. The waiver essentially 'waives' the income requirements and qualifies the individual based on their disability which opens the door on some level to some services that are quite helpful in their care and maintaining a work life to provide for the family overall. There are a lot of benefits to allowing family members the ability to care and earn in the same way medical personnel might and it's usually cheaper where the care requirements are not as intense as someone with profound medical issues who required skilled nursing care. It's also beneficial to the disabled individual who has developmental issues and rely on the regularity of the environment to offer the stability needed for them ie a grandmother providing care while the parent works is far more stable then a doctor's aide who might not be there 3 weeks from now if she gets a better gig. I can't speak highly enough of this move to keep care stable and at the same time offer the resources more directly to the disabled person and by extension their family which assists in their care even more. I know some conservatives may not agree with me, but disability and other services to me are something we should provide as a compassionate society--sadly it is the leaches of society who cloud and obscure the people who really are trying to assist which is those who truly are either  beyond or from birth are not capable(anymore or at all) of caring for themselves without some assistance. I get irritated at those(like LFR) who take advantage of that status in order to avoid working as much as possible and totally bastardize the system from what is was intended to be.
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