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DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« on: December 27, 2013, 01:39:58 PM »
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Has the word "thug" become racist?


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No. "Thug" simply means "violent criminal" and is not a racist term. 17 (77%)
Yes. The word "thug" has become racist and its use should be avoided. 5 (23%)
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2. Yes. It's a code word used by 'gun advocates' to mean 'urban' which is the GOP's code word for... nt

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Ohio Joe (14,011 posts)
5. Correct

And in typical fashion, the racists that use it are to cowardly to admit their racism so they blink their eyes and claim ignorance.

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Hoyt (14,762 posts)
6. Exactly. You even see it used here by "gun advocates."

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La Lioness Priyanka (46,716 posts)
3. yes, regardless of definitions of the actual word

the connotation of it usually means a young black man or someone acting like a young black man stereotype.


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JoePhilly (18,802 posts)
7. Its often used as a code word.

Welfare Queen, urban, inner city, thug ... code words. They work as code words because they have alternative meanings, which allows the racist to act surprised when they use them and some one points out the racial connotation.

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8. It's code for union supporters and members, so I hope not. n/t

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11. "Union thug" is how I've mostly heard it. I imagine context,

as with almost everything, is a factor to distinguish how it's being used. I've also heard it used to refer to Mafia thugs (I'm from Las Vegas, NV) as well as run-of-the-mill street criminals.

I see another poster has said it does now have racist implications which doesn't surprise me at all.

Context.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 01:42:05 PM »
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4. No, but it is a pejorative designed to degrade a person.

Name calling, instead of seeking real solutions to problems is never useful.


So a thug robs and rapes you what do you call them? Disadvantaged neighbor person? " Live and Learn" sounds like the scientist in the first edition of "The Thing" who wants to reason with the alien.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 01:48:54 PM »
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 03:03:09 PM »


^ White racist?
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 11:25:55 PM »
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 12:42:24 AM »
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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:52 PM
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14. I think the context in which it's used is what makes a word racist or not...

Last edited Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)

If I ever use the word thug, it's not based on race, but rather on behavior. However, there are definitely situations in which it seems fairly obvious that the person is using the word in a racial way.

Context and intent have always been the determining factor for me on if something is racist or not.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 02:18:22 AM »
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14. I think the context in which it's used is what makes a word racist or not...

Last edited Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)

If I ever use the word thug, it's not based on race, but rather on behavior. However, there are definitely situations in which it seems fairly obvious that the person is using the word in a racial way.

Context and intent have always been the determining factor for me on if something is racist or not.


This from the "experts" on context and intent.

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7. Its often used as a code word.

Welfare Queen, urban, inner city, thug ... code words. They work as code words because they have alternative meanings, which allows the racist to act surprised when they use them and some one points out the racial connotation.

Of course!  What other possible definition could there be for the word "urban" and the term "inner city"?

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 03:48:21 AM »
DUmmies and their paranoia thinking we use code words.  Code Pink anyone? Code Blue?  Okay, that last one,was wishful thinking on my part (Code for ESAD DUmmies!)
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 04:30:07 AM »
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7. Its often used as a code word.

Welfare Queen, urban, inner city, thug ... code words.

The DUmmie is correct.  Those are all code words that we use. However he is wrong on what they mean. They don't refer to skin color, but to voting predilection.  They all mean democrat voters.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 04:39:44 AM »
I calls em as I sees em.
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 06:52:30 AM »
Todays lesson - "a Kernel of truth".

And this is not to say or imply that anyone here needs to be taught a lesson. This is for those that may not be infused with this particular bit of knowledge. A public service, if you will. My contribution to understanding DUmmies.

Its very important to listen to what DUmmies say, if you can stomache it. It provides insight into their madness. Todays particular insight, has to do with what I call "a kernel of truth". In the movie "Open Range", Kevin Costners character Charlie Wait at one point says, "Most of the time, a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear". That sentence rings very true, however where DUmmies are concerned, theres sort of...a finer point to it.

Where DUmmies are concerned, you have to...decipher it. Tear away the garbage, the words meant to cloud, misdirect, confuse, mislead, obfuscate, and so forth. To "waldo" what they're saying. They use them habitually, because they're too apt to let slip a kernel of truth, and they know it. But where is waldo? Well, when you tear away the garbage, they'll often tell you their bad intentions, and more often than not, tell you something about themselves and their fellow DUmmies in doing so. An involuntary admission. A "truth twitch" so to speak. Waldo.

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11. "Union thug" is how I've mostly heard it. I imagine context,

as with almost everything, is a factor to distinguish how it's being used. I've also heard it used to refer to Mafia thugs (I'm from Las Vegas, NV) as well as run-of-the-mill street criminals.

I see another poster has said it does now have racist implications which doesn't surprise me at all.

Context.

Lets decipher that:

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"Union thug" is how I've mostly heard it."

Yes yes. We're not interested in what this DUmmy has heard. SO we'll 86 that.

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I've also heard it used to refer to Mafia thugs (I'm from Las Vegas, NV) as well as run-of-the-mill street criminals.

Again, not interested in what this DUmmy has heard. 86'd.

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"I see another poster has said it does now have racist implications which doesn't surprise me at all."

Yes, yes, we're getting to that, but thats just circumstantial evidence supporting todays kernel of truth. We should remember it for the end of the lesson, so while keeping this statement in mind, were going to 86 it.


So what we have left, is this:

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I imagine context, as with almost everything, is a factor to distinguish how it's being used.

While that statement is true at face value, there is indeed a kernel of truth hidden inside it. It is not what it seems.

Its camouflaged. Waldo'd.

Recall how the DUmmies like to imagine out of thin air, peoples reasons for being opposed to things. "They don't like Obama because hes a black man" and such. We've all seen it. That and a metric f*ckton of other things they say conservatives believe, which are imagined. Out of thin air.  In the case of the term "thugs", we use it to describe people engaged in a specific behavior. Again, we all know that to be true. We don't care what color people are. We care how they behave. And why shouldn't we? Yet the DUmmies have imagined a context to assign to us. And told us they were doing it. Let it slip.  And the fact that we use the term "thug" to describe people engaged in a certain behavior, is proof that they imagined this "racist" context they use to apply to others.

And, after stripping away the last remnants of camouflage we're left with todays kernel of truth. Heres waldo:

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I imagine context


Now, remember that thing we were supposed to keep in mind? This:

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I see another poster has said it does now have racist implications which doesn't surprise me at all.

Of course it doesn't surprise this DUmmie, because they imagined it, because they're habitual in imagining it. And in the same breath, one sentence away from the kernel of truth, as the DUmmie had written it, we have the DUmmie referring to another DUmmie who has imagined it as well.

Examples of it being put into play right before our eyes, with unintentional acknowledgement that its happening. That DUmmie saw it too, and said so.

Oops.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Oh, and For the record, while I can decipher this stuff semi-effectively, I'm still many lifetimes away from deciphering anything gNads posts.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 07:45:24 AM »
Damn CMD. You parsed her statement down to where she said nothing.  :tongue:
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2014, 07:49:49 AM »
Damn CMD. You parsed her statement down to where she said nothing.  :tongue:

True, but, other than the occasional kernel of truth, isn't that what all things DUmmies say amount to?

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 09:02:17 AM »
Out here in Flyover Jesusland, we have thugs of all colors.  It's not a race, it's a series of actions.   ::)
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2014, 11:12:03 AM »
For future reference, any word uttered at anytime by any cracker is 100% racist!
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2014, 11:39:32 AM »
For future reference, any word uttered at anytime by any cracker is 100% racist!

What about "cracker"?   :whistling:

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2014, 11:45:03 AM »
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2. Yes. It's a code word used by 'gun advocates' to mean 'urban' which is the GOP's code word for... nt

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3. yes, regardless of definitions of the actual word

the connotation of it usually means a young black man or someone acting like a young black man stereotype.

I'm curious what the "thug" in the term "rethuglican" you DUmmies use so often is code for.
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2014, 12:51:53 PM »
What about "cracker"?   :whistling:

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2014, 12:57:37 PM »
For future reference, any word uttered at anytime by any cracker is 100% racist!

Us Honkies are excused then.
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2014, 01:36:53 PM »
What about "cracker"?   :whistling:

Cracker is a term of endearment, don't you know?

Besides it is impossible for any non white to be racist.
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2014, 01:38:01 PM »
I'm curious what the "thug" in the term "rethuglican" you DUmmies use so often is code for.

All rethuglicans are white racist bastards, so thug in that context is fine.
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2014, 01:54:27 PM »
I didn't read the whole thread, did anyone ever go back and look up the etymology? Here it is for anybody with any interest in what the words we use every day actually started out meaning:

Etymology of Thug



thug (n.) Look up thug at Dictionary.com
    1810, "member of a gang of murderers and robbers in India who strangled their victims," from Marathi thag, thak "cheat, swindler," Hindi thag, perhaps from Sanskrit sthaga-s "cunning, fraudulent," possibly from sthagayati "(he) covers, conceals," from PIE root *(s)teg- "cover" (see stegosaurus). Transferred sense of "ruffian, cutthroat" first recorded 1839. The more correct Indian name is phanseegur, and the activity was described in English as far back as c.1665. Rigorously prosecuted by the British from 1831, they were driven from existence, but the process extended over the rest of the 19c.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2014, 02:01:27 PM »
I didn't read the whole thread, did anyone ever go back and look up the etymology? Here it is for anybody with any interest in what the words we use every day actually started out meaning:

Etymology of Thug



thug (n.) Look up thug at Dictionary.com
    1810, "member of a gang of murderers and robbers in India who strangled their victims," from Marathi thag, thak "cheat, swindler," Hindi thag, perhaps from Sanskrit sthaga-s "cunning, fraudulent," possibly from sthagayati "(he) covers, conceals," from PIE root *(s)teg- "cover" (see stegosaurus). Transferred sense of "ruffian, cutthroat" first recorded 1839. The more correct Indian name is phanseegur, and the activity was described in English as far back as c.1665. Rigorously prosecuted by the British from 1831, they were driven from existence, but the process extended over the rest of the 19c.



Brilliant!!  So, all we have to do is switch from thug to phanseegur and we're goo to go.

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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2014, 03:02:30 PM »
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Re: DUmp poll: Is the term "thug" racist?
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 03:25:03 PM »
I can't believe that No has won out on the thread.  But then again, they would have to stop using rethuglicans.
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