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Quit picking your nose and scratching your ass and go home. Come back when you learn to mole and post effectively.

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Quit picking your nose and scratching your ass and go home. Come back when you learn to mole and post effectively.

You called me a dumpmonkie and then want me to act civil? LOL

I make a post about the rad fems on DU, berating them and I get called a mole..LMAO.. as a mole shouldn't I be cleverly sticking up for them?

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You called me a dumpmonkie and then want me to act civil? LOL

I make a post about the rad fems on DU, berating them and I get called a mole..LMAO.. as a mole shouldn't I be cleverly sticking up for them?

No, a troll would take their side disrupting the thread. A mole digs in and hides. You already came out of the closet in previous posts as a DU DUmbass. Now you are just acting the fool.
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No, a troll would take their side disrupting the thread. A mole digs in and hides. You already came out of the closet in previous posts as a DU DUmbass. Now you are just acting the fool.

Ever consider I was a troll on DU?

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You know, all you had to do was point this out. 

I apologize for not doing my own research first, fitman.  I now understand completely what your hangup with the fembots is all about.
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Ever consider I was a troll on DU?

And got kicked out. What did you achieve? Nothing.

Your posts here are sophomoric at best. No, I take that back. If anything they are Freshmoric. Your new Delta nickname is Freshmoran.

Or something. You don't even rate a bitchslap. Wasp gets one for not doing research.
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And got kicked out. What did you achieve? Nothing.

Your posts here are sophomoric at best. No, I take that back. If anything they are Freshmoric. Your new Delta nickname is Freshmoran.

Or something. You don't even rate a bitchslap. Wasp gets one for not doing research.



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55. Or to go over obstacles

or to drag your sorry ass out of harms way.

It is not just about greco roman fighting, or hand to hand combat.

It has clear reasons for it, but it does as well in Fire Fighting, EMS and Police Work, all three have many more women who are not failing. So I gotta ask what are the Marines doing wrong in training these women?

Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.


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It has clear reasons for it, but it does as well in Fire Fighting, EMS and Police Work, all three have many more women who are not failing.
Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.



nadine is wrong -- they lowered the standards in those professions as well.
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Does not bother me to be honest-not losing any sleep over it..bothers some of you more.
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To the feminazis: How is getting rid of this requirement fair to the almost 50% of women who DO pass it?

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17. I can't now, but I use to be able too. Just three though.. no more! LOL

I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along. However, I am sure that as women try to meet the standards (no matter how I feel about them), more will succeed.


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A big gripe I have with many feminists is right along this line. They want equal compensation and opportunity, but not equal responsibility.  I see it in ranching, too.  They act all macho while throwing a 30# saddle on a short quarter horse, but whine when it's time to waller a rail road tie into the ground for a corner post.

That's exactly what it is.   Memo to the (D)UFEMNDSAPers:  Those PFT standards are not new, by any stretch of the imagination.  Most females we had never bitched about it any more than anyone else did  (and we did, from time to time    :-)).  They simply took it as a job requirement and went on remedial PT just like anyone else would if they flunked one. Flunk two consecutive, and you're gone.

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Maybe it's just been a stupid test all along.

Lowering the bar for your protected victimz?  STFU, you stupid bitch.  Four times a year; the Remington Raiders, Wingers and Grunts all take the PFT.  Hung over, just off watch or feeling frosty.  No excuse.  You see, that's how the non-(D)ipshit world works.  Unlike unqualified Presidents, you don't get a whole lot of mulligans in combat.

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That's exactly what it is.   Memo to the (D)UFEMNDSAPers:  Those PFT standards are not new, by any stretch of the imagination.  Most females we had never bitched about it any more than anyone else did  (and we did, from time to time    :-)).  They simply took it as a job requirement and went on remedial PT just like anyone else would if they flunked one. Flunk two consecutive, and you're gone.

Lowering the bar for your protected victimz?  STFU, you stupid bitch.  Four times a year; the Remington Raiders, Wingers and Grunts all take the PFT.  Hung over, just off watch or feeling frosty.  No excuse.  You see, that's how the non-(D)ipshit world works.  Unlike unqualified Presidents, you don't get a whole lot of mulligans in combat.

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No ,No, No, to each as their ability.

All military needs to place people in a category of ability.   Be it mental, physical, and with the possibility that those placed can change over time.

Woman that want to go into combat have to realize they have a body structure far different from the Males.   The males strength is in the upper torso, woman have their strength in the hips and thighs.   A male can carry a 50 pound back pack but a woman needs the weight on her hips.

Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

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Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

Vesta, why the hell should the DOD waste time, money, and resources to make a small portion of the population more fit at doing a job when a man can do it without any enhancement? Doesn't that sound like misallocation of resources?

 If they don't meet the standards, they don't become a marine, army infantry, ranger, or SF. PERIOD. Anything else will get people killed. It is not sexism, it is not men are better than women,  it is the right person for the job.
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Just my take on this.....opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.....or used to before modern made it possible to survive without an asshole.....shame we can't surgically remove the liberal assholes as easily because we could certainly live without them.
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Until the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.
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Would you look at the nails on that bitch in the back.....you just know she can't hack the military life....she might break a nail.
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I really can't see how a pull up is truly determining factor as to what physical demands soldiers meet on the "battle field".

Upper body strength means the difference between pulling your wounded battle buddy to safety or getting shot like he/she was.  Pull ups require a lot of shoulder nd upper back strength to achieve properly...the same muscles you'd be using to drag that wounded soldier in full gear...to safety.

But then you'd know that if you'd ever been near a "battle field".
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ntil the military finds a way for the female combat solders to pee standing up, lug 80 pounds on their back as the men do,    then I worry about our women that just need a bit of help to with technology to get a chance to come anywhere close to the males.

Then until that time the Uber Liberal Femi Nazis should stop insisting that women can do everything men can and refrain from shoving them headlong into combat roles.
 
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Then until that time the Uber Liberal Femi Nazis should stop insisting that women can do everything men can and refrain from shoving them headlong into combat roles.
 

As long as they are approved for combat they damn well better be eligible for Selective Service.
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Doesn't Nads still talk about the equipment she owns for mountain climbing?  I have no idea what it is called, but I do recall her talking about it at some point for her journalism work.

Yup, she confused her crampons for some feminine products and got a case of crablegs trying to rush to a photog.

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256. Since we're giving credentials...

I too went to Air Assault school...and Airborne school...and I was a.certified MFT (master fitness trainer).

First of all, the fitness training that you knew in the military did not always exist. It came into being after a realization in the late seventies and ewrly eighties that the average American was no longer fit...so fitness would have to be trained in the military. So that's why the Army that you knew has a borderline obsession with fitness.

And that fitness is measured in VERY arbitrary ways. The entirety of a soldier's physical fitness is condensed into pushups, situps, 2 mile run. But it has to be arbitrary...how else can you compare people without a measuring stick.

In the marines they do pull-ups. Whenever I trained with marines, I was shocked at their inability to do push ups on par with the Army guys. But of course they were better at pull ups. You see we were all training for the test...no different than a teacher priming students for any other standardized test. So sure, the ability to do pull ups is an imperfect measure of fitness...but it IS the measuring stick in the marines. Ergo, wll marines should measure up...or go to remedial training.

Btw, you were cav...I was a tanker. I don't know if you were on a Bradley or a HMMVEE, but I can think of alot of tasks on a Bradley that require alot of strength. I was a cadet and was in the unique.position of 'trying out' the M1 and the Bradley, in a group that included women. I'm sure that some women could load a tank round...but in my observation, none in our group could, within the time limit. Now, if the Armor branch is ever opened to women, I would hope and expect that they are required to be able to load a round, lift a block of track, carry the .50, etc. The crew is limited, and everybody has to quite literally pull their own weight.

May be the first DUer I actually believe was in the military, other than calling a HMMWV a HMMVEE, but with so many people ****ing up acronyms, it's common. I can't attest to the Marine's pushup strength. Keep in mind, he's comparing combat arms Army guys with Marines, not your average Army guy/gal.
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May be the first DUer I actually believe was in the military, other than calling a HMMWV a HMMVEE, but with so many people ****ing up acronyms, it's common. I can't attest to the Marine's pushup strength. Keep in mind, he's comparing combat arms Army guys with Marines, not your average Army guy/gal.

Yup, agreed with you on this guy. Notice he said cadet, must have been rotc. Even within combat arms there are huge differences in physical fitness between tankers, grunts, mech inf, rangers, and arty types. Cab scouts are a mix, really, taxi DATs and mech inf.

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