dorkangel primitive gets what she didn't expect

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024149721

Oh my.

darkangel218 (8,304 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:33 PM

How to leave a psychopath

Run, don't look back. Consider changing your name, address, phone # and ss card #.
 
Are you involved with a psychopath (extreme sociopath)? You may not know because they can be very charming and friendly and can appear to be altruistic, until you get close and inevitably they do something threatening or immoral and then you must set limits that disappoint them. The near-constant state of frustration and dissatisfaction felt by a true psychopath is the source of not only their rages but those eerie, on-and-off-like-a-faucet tears. (Yes, tears are seen even in some men, though of course still more common in children and women.)
 
....

Bizarre brain waves from some parts of the brain and none from some other parts; epileptic seizures (usually grand mal); speech impediments caused by a chaotic way of storing information in the brain; low blood-pressure (hypotension); bradycardia (low heart rate); pseudoneurolepsy (falling asleep suddenly); a type of night-blindness caused by constriction of the pupils; sleep apnea; sleepwalking (somnambulism); other sleep disturbances; migraine or cluster-headaches with visual 'auras'; varying degrees of incontinence; lethargy OR wild excitement; unexpected sexual arousal; loss of sense of taste or smell; trouble with depth perception; inability to recognize facial expressions; inability to concentrate on more than one thing at a time; occasional inability to concentrate on anything at all; certain types of muscle spasticity or nonresponsive reflexes associated with a peripheral neuropathy if present.
 
Read a lot more at http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_get_out_of_a_relationship_with_a_sociopath
 
I know its wiki, but this post is extreamly comprehensive. Please read it if you find yourself that you may be dealing with a psychopath.

HereSince1628 (27,746 posts)   Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:29 PM

5. People should be free to associate as they choose, but isn't it interesting

that the evidence is indicative of real physiological underpinnings for this, and rather than seeing the person as a victim of an illness (as we would for, say, breast cancer) and lend support, when it comes to a serious mental condition our disposition is to spread fear and encourage abandonment and isolation.
 
Mental illness...it's the new leprosy.

darkangel218 (8,304 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:32 PM

6. You are misunderstanding.

Those in relationships with psychopats are not trained to offer help. They need to get away as soon as possible.
 
There is little help if any, for psychopats.

No one deserve to be abused and be a victim.

HereSince1628 (27,746 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:46 PM

8. No, I actually do understand

and I think self-protection is important.

You wrote: "There is little help if any, for psychopats (sic)."

I submit abandonment of the 'psychopats' provides so little help as to be judged not helpful at all.
 
And isn't that a very curious way society chooses to advise dealing with a condition that the op shows is so obviously a physiologically based illness?
 
Well probably not in a place like DU, wherein reference to mental illness is regularly used as the hinge that separates the good guys from the bad guys in chauvinistic posts, but rather in what should be a concerned society?
 
A society that seeks not only to treat the ill, but to protect the members of society in general?

darkangel218 (8,304 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:49 PM

9. If you had bothered to read the whole article which i libked to

You would see there are sugestions for possible treatment.

At the same time, NO VICTIMS SHOULD STAY AND CONTINUE BE VICTIMIZED.

THEY ARE NOT TRAINED MENTAL HEALTHCARE WORKERS!

Leave it to the professionals.

HereSince1628 (27,746 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:01 PM

16. Neither is it ethical to leave a recognizably ill person to get no help.

I don't think that step requires a person being a mental health professional or sticking around and being victimized.
 
It's quite plain from published surveys that Americans abhor association with the mentally ill. Last winter we learned from such a survey that 80%+ of American's don't want to work in a group that contains a (generically) mentally ill co-worker or have a (generically) mentally ill person as a neighbor.
 
So it really is not a surprise that the advice that's accepted is to abandon such people to their own devices and destructive illnesses.
 
The result -is- self-protection, at least in part. But it is also very much broad discrimination...that contributes to lack of treatment and denies opportunity for employment and advancement, housing, mortgages, and associations with others that humans as gregarious animals also are known to require.

phil89 (12 posts)   Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:45 PM

7. Yep

The "article" is rife with stigma-inducing language, unfounded assertions and even outdated language (Ooh isn't "pscyhopath" so much scarier than sociopath?). Unfortunately mental illness is still something that can be laughed at, made fun of and all superstitions seem acceptable when labeling and dehumanizing people who suffer from it. Unfortunately society is largely movie/tv-educated about these issues.
 
Spot on about the abandonment and isolation, too. Our now (thankfully) defunct state hospital has many unmarked graves of people who spent most of their lives there. People who committed no crime or were harmful to anyone. They were isolated because of fear and ignorance. Years ago parents would sometimes drop children off there to simply be rid of them. Disgraceful.

darkangel218 (8,304 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:50 PM

10. Welcome to DU.

phil89 (12 posts)  Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:56 PM 

12. Umm

Thanks? Is advocacy for people with mental illness and discouraging stigma and superstition against them unwelcome?

darkangel218 (8,304 posts)   Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:54 PM

11. What is your take on psychopats?

Should their victims put up with them? Should they never leave because of stigma of their abusers??

phil89 (12 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:01 PM

15. Huh?

My take on people with ASPD/ sociopathy is that they are human beings first and not monsters and they're not all the same. If they are harming someone the person should make a choice to deal with it or leave. What is your take on people with Borderline Personality or Bipolar Disorder(s), both of which can lead to harmful behavior to self or others? Should they be avoided/ostracized as well?
 
I don't know what "stigma of their abusers" means but you're implying I said something I did not mean to say.

HereSince1628 (27,746 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:04 PM

17. BTW you would seem...ahhh...shall I say, more 'credible' if you at least attempted to spell psychopath correctly.

[landofconfusion80]

psychopath must be the word of the day on the island

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5E9OyrjpI[/youtube]

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well. well, who knew DorkAngel was dating Billy Jeff?  The things you learn...

[jtyangel]

You know, I agree with the dork one on this. I don't give a shit if someone has an illness or not, their partner, parent, etc was not  put on this earth to be their emotional punching bag or shrink. they need to seek help on their own and THEN work on mending their relationships. Enabling is enabling whether it's alcohol abuse, drug abuse, or mental illness.  You can support someone and not be in an intimate relationship with them(loco nuts cough) that enables them to continue to wallow in their mental illness.

I'm of the frame of mind that if you are that far gone, you are either getting committed or you are going to hit rock bottom when your loved ones drop you and it's time to get help for yourself. under NO circumstances should someone stand by and put up with someone's abuse because their brain or hormonal system is diseased and makes them act like an abusive asshole.

Seems like the insane over there think every one around them should stand by and put up with their abuse while they find their way--**** that--I wouldn't do it and I'd never encourage my children to do it.

[franksolich]

Of course, madam.

But this campfire's funny in that the dorkangel primitive once again tried to get credibility, and failed.

It's not the issue she brought up; it's her God-image of herself that's preposterous.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

HereSince1628 (27,746 posts)    Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:01 PM

16. Neither is it ethical to leave a recognizably ill person to get no help.

You're an idiot.

By the time the psychopathy/sociopathy manifests the partner has become the victim and victims make lousy caregivers...

...because they're victims.

Can I also point out that now psychopaths get more sympathy/benefit-of-the-doubt from DU than white males who have never displayed a racist or sexist sentiment in their entire lives.

[Tess Anderson]

Is she talking about that trucker "conservative" boyfriend - the one that she never dumped - again? I thought the term "psycopath" was passe, they were just recently calling it "anti-social personality disorder". Come to think of it, she has some of these tendencies as well - prone to anger, lies for little or no reason, delusions of grandeur, attraction to the dark side of life like heavy metal, dyes her hair dark to assume some persona,  hyper-sensitive to criticism . . .

[GOBUCKS]

That DUmp thread probably has some good advice, considering that both DUmpangelnumbers and HereSincenumbers are as crazy as shithouse rats.

They're longtime inmates at the DUmp loonybin, and have contributed some funny-as-hell threads over the years.

It's about time for another goodbye-cruel-world post from DUmpangelnumbers.

She hasn't had one for several months, and is long overdue.

[GOP Congress]

Psychopaths giving advice to psychopaths. More fun that watching the blind lead the blind.

[diesel driver]

Liberalism is already a mental disease, regardless of what you call it.

[Karin]

I thought the term "psycopath" was passe, they were just recently calling it "anti-social personality disorder"

  No, I'm a traditionalist.  Psychopath is good enough for me. 

Heresince1628 is awfully naïve and trusting.  I believe she will be done in by an axe murderer.  He just needed a little understanding and a hug.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I believe she will be done in by an axe murderer.

You're such a tease.

[jukin]

Dorkangel should print the wiki page up and hand it to her next date. Fairness in advertising.

[vesta111]

Dorkangel should print the wiki page up and hand it to her next date. Fairness in advertising.

Horror, why do we have to accept the monsters in life.   Why do we have to understand the people that are rats ass crazy ?    This is their problem and should not be ours.

We have our own problems to solve and to feel we need to help without a degree in Psychology in what case, we know these people and need a CCW as these are wild rabid dogs.

Problem is to identify these people, watching Dateline, seems to cause me to look sideways at Hubby at times.  Not just our SO but our own kids that seem to off their parents for parental mistreatment as in not buying them $200 dollar sneakers or allowing them to make Meth in the cellar.

I have little training in the field of mental health.   My kids go nuts, hubby goes nuts, a family member goes bonkers,  the last thing I am going to do is sit about and believe I can help them.    I will gather up the so far sane family members that have not been effected by the crazy and run for the hills.

Mendez's brothers Eric and his brother did me in, over the top of shit for me,  their parent's death gave me a look over your shoulder when my kids were around.   

[Bad Dog]

Mendez's brothers Eric and his brother did me in, over the top of shit for me,  their parent's death gave me a look over your shoulder when my kids were around.   

Surely you exaggerate.  And, yes, I'll stop calling you surely.

[vesta111]

Surely you exaggerate.  And, yes, I'll stop calling you surely.

Call me what you wish, just don't call me late for supper.