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You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« on: December 01, 2013, 06:28:23 AM »
They ought to ship the lot of you off to prison where you can rot.


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Runaway Capitalism Murders Another Artist
 
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Runaway Capitalism Murders Another Artist
Posted on Nov 30, 2013


The resignation this month of Osmo Vanska from his decade-long role as director of the Minnesota Orchestra over salary disputes with the board spurred John Halle, director of studies in music theory and practice at Bard College, to argue at Jacobin that “the virtues of classical music are inherently hostile to (the) neoliberal mindset now dominant in all sectors of society.”

Hundreds of my own conversations with middle-class youths in classrooms, bars and cafes around the country—compared with conversations with members of elder generations—suggest that Americans are increasingly uncomfortable with distinctions of high and low forms of art, particularly with classical music. Halle points to a time when this was not so, and suggests that difference has to do with support ruling elites offered the arts in the past. In the 1930s, he writes, “while there was some competition from popular music … a clear division between high and low musical forms remained accepted across the board, with what was universally regarded as the precious legacy of concert music claimed and lavishly supported by both fascist and Soviet regimes alike.”

“What has emerged in recent years is the exact opposite,” he continues, and the abdication of economic control to mindless markets by states around the world, with the subsequent selfishness and inequality, is a primary cause. “On the one hand, government lavishes unprecedented economic and social privileges on its elites, taking an axe to programs benefitting those who fall behind. At the same time, the distinction between high and low artistic culture having been erased, the result has been a single standard for qualitative judgments derived from the commercial marketplace.”

It’s hard not to avoid making a connection, Halle writes. “The decline of musical literacy and the large-scale forms which they make possible, the increasing demand for immediately catchy tunes, striking sonorities and flamboyant stage presentations pairs with the impatience of the elites classes” in “the demand for investments to show an immediate short-turn return. Elites have long since jettisoned the expectation for steady growth embodied in the now retired Goldman-Sachs slogan, ‘long-term greedy,’ having come to accept and even embrace … ‘the erosion of the planning function, and any rationality beyond the most crudely instrumental.’ ” ........................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/runaway_capitalism_murders_another_artist_20131130

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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 07:07:15 AM »
It looks like we found Lorelei's day job.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2013, 07:43:36 AM »
Damn. Van Gough only lost an ear.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 07:55:37 AM »
What a disappointment.

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Runaway Capitalism Murders Another Artist

I was looking forward to reading something about actual capitalism and actual murder. Instead, we got this prissy bit of NPR crap:

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The resignation this month of Osmo Vanska from his decade-long role as director of the Minnesota Orchestra over salary disputes with the board spurred John Halle, director of studies in music theory and practice at Bard College, to argue at Jacobin that “the virtues of classical music are inherently hostile to (the) neoliberal mindset now dominant in all sectors of society.”

Some guy quit his job with some second-rate orchestra because his need was greater than their ability, and some other guy blames the new leftists for not being leftist enough.

 :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight:
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 07:56:19 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 01, 2013, 07:07:15 AM
It looks like we found Lorelei's day job.


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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2013, 08:18:57 AM »
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The resignation this month of Osmo Vanska from his decade-long role as director of the Minnesota Orchestra over salary disputes with the board

1) He was a director, not an artist. This man was a paper pusher. He was a bureaucrat-easily replaced.

2) I had thought demanding a higher salary was essentially a capitalist thing. Socialists work for the joy of working

3) He is not dead, just unemployed. Big difference. In fact, he probably knows Doug Bulna.

4) having a name like Osomo is going to make finding this article real easy for future employers. "So you quit over salary issues, Olsomo? Do you have an inflated sense of self worth?"
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 08:29:28 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on December 01, 2013, 07:56:19 AM

Brighter that the stars, forever...

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2013, 08:32:00 AM »
^If she starts stalking me, do you know what kind of action she can expect ?
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2013, 08:42:31 AM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on December 01, 2013, 08:18:57 AM
1) He was a director, not an artist. This man was a paper pusher. He was a bureaucrat-easily replaced.

2) I had thought demanding a higher salary was essentially a capitalist thing. Socialists work for the joy of working

3) He is not dead, just unemployed. Big difference. In fact, he probably knows Doug Bulna.

4) having a name like Osomo is going to make finding this article real easy for future employers. "So you quit over salary issues, Olsomo? Do you have an inflated sense of self worth?"

You bet he does...all DUmmies think they are worth more when in reality they're worth a lot less than they are being paid now.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2013, 09:15:12 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 01, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
What a disappointment.

I was looking forward to reading something about actual capitalism and actual murder. Instead, we got this prissy bit of NPR crap:

Some guy quit his job with some second-rate orchestra because his need was greater than their ability...

 :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight:

You may as well have put a pistol to his head, thumb-cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger.


I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF!!!

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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2013, 10:13:39 AM »
The problem is the Obamaphone people prefer hip hop and rap to classical music, so his gravy train isn't important.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2013, 04:18:36 PM »
Sadly, no actual Liberals died in the making of this headline.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2013, 04:22:32 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 01, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
Sadly, no actual Liberals died in the making of this headline.

 :(

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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2013, 04:24:20 PM »
Yet the driving force behind what amounts to "music" today are all leftists.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2013, 04:28:02 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 01, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
Sadly, no actual Liberals died in the making of this headline.

Maybe so, but the first time I saw this photo:

I could have sworn I saw, peeking from behind the blond moonbat beside dear Andy, a tall, thin fellow with unfashionably long hair.

From all appearances he could have been the nicest guy one could ever hope to meet, but there was something sinister in his eyes.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2013, 06:21:50 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on December 01, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2013, 06:56:25 PM »
I enjoy classical music quite a lot.  That being said, much of the music for them has already been written and recorded.  My daughter actually likes Vivaldi, especially the winter stanza, she was surprised to find out the music is almost three hundred years old.  She routinely used Spanish music for her figure skating.


This thing between high art and low art?  Every one of the DUmmies would call Shakespeare high art.  Shakespeare had to get the average Londoner to come into the Globe to watch his shows or the Globe wouldn't have been open for long.  I am not saying he didn't have patrons, he most assuredly did, but that didn't change the fact that he needed ticket sales.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2013, 07:11:46 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 01, 2013, 07:55:37 AM
What a disappointment.

I was looking forward to reading something about actual capitalism and actual murder. Instead, we got this prissy bit of NPR crap:

Some guy quit his job with some second-rate orchestra because his need was greater than their ability[/u], and some other guy blames the new leftists for not being leftist enough.

 :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight:

Sounds like a union demand to me.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2013, 07:28:16 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on December 01, 2013, 06:21:50 PM
A big helping of pew, pew, pew!

DAMN IT!!! You got to this thread before I did.... pew, pew, pew!.... :bolt:
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2013, 07:50:18 PM »
Quote from: biersmythe on December 01, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
DAMN IT!!! You got to this thread before I did.... pew, pew, pew!.... :bolt:
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2013, 09:17:05 PM »
 :overreaction:
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2013, 10:16:33 PM »
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“the virtues of classical music are inherently hostile to (the) neoliberal mindset now dominant in all sectors of society.”

OK, let me read that again.

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“the virtues of classical music are inherently hostile to (the) neoliberal mindset now dominant in all sectors of society.”

Wait a minute......    :stoner:

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“the virtues of classical music are inherently hostile to (the) neoliberal mindset now dominant in all sectors of society.”

Oh, yeah Dude, makes perfect sense.... :whatever:


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That being said, much of the music for them has already been written and recorded.
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Quote from: Carl on December 01, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Yet the driving force behind what amounts to "music" today are all leftists.



The devil you say. 
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2013, 09:25:32 AM »
Quote from: Freeper on December 01, 2013, 10:13:39 AM
The problem is the Obamaphone people prefer hip hop and rap to classical music, so his gravy train isn't important.


Besides, there's not much to sample, and have you ever HEARD Bach scratched?

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2013, 09:29:43 AM »
DUmmie wants a $100,000.00 a year to wave a stick in the air....typical DUmmie, huh.
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Re: You killed him! You ruthless, murdering bastards KILLED HIM!
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2013, 09:40:06 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on December 02, 2013, 09:29:43 AM
DUmmie wants a $100,000.00 a year to wave a stick in the air....typical DUmmie, huh.

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