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chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« on: November 28, 2013, 02:02:22 PM »
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Paper Roses (4,810 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:16 AM

Emergency help needed re: 2 turkeys

The volunteer organization for which I work was generous in giving the volunteers a turkey for Thanksgiving. Gave me mine yesterday. While I an thankful for their generosity, I had already bought a fresh turkey.
 
This Butterball is mostly defrosted and I don't know if I can refreeze it. Cannot cook 2 and the food pantries near me are all set and do not need any more. I don't know who to give it to, everyone I know seem to be all set.
 
Can I refreeze this turkey for later?

I think I know the answer but I don't want to waste it.What will happen if I refreeze this bird?
 
I am spending my AM getting things ready and can't run around asking...in fact, I don't know where to go.

My fresh bird is the size to feed my guests. The butterball is 12 pounds. I cannot use the Butterball and freeze the fresh because it is not large enough.
 
I am thankful to all my family for coming my way this year but need to find something to do with this extra bird. Help! BTW, it has been refrigerated for 2 days before given to me and is still in the refrigerator.

Okay, okay, we all know the drill here; the primitives have nothing over us.

(a) the chronically-helpless primitive just wants to brag that she has two turkeys.

(b) the chronically-helpless primitive wants to boast that the charity appreciates her help so much they give her something for it.

(c) the chronically-helpless primitive doesn't volunteer there out of the goodness of her own heart; a life-long scavenger sort, she helps out because it's a chance for her to load up on donated goods for herself.

Actually, I'm quite surprised the grasswire primitive's not in the (c) racket too.

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Freddie (1,827 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:14 AM

1. If the partially frozen turkey

Still has ice crystals it is safe to re-freeze, or so I've always heard, you might want to look it up. Have done so with smaller things (steak, pork chops) safely. Good luck!

I make turkey once a year (thx) and DH's employers always give them a turkey for Christmas, which I give to my daughter.

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MyNameGoesHere (3,633 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:32 AM

2. Why take a chance on maybe it's ok, or it should be ok? Cook it and serve it or freeze the cooked meat for later use as stock/soup parts.

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Tab (9,352 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 01:57 PM

3. Two options

Find a needy family and offer it to them

Spatchcock it (remove backbone and splay it out) and cook that way - you should be able to fit two in your oven if they're not overly huge.
 
Failing that, I guess you could cook them in succession, but that seems like a lot of cooking. Or cook the first one "traditional", serve it, and cook the second one "experimental" - different technique, spices, whatever just for afterwards, but see if it does anything for you you like. Or cook one tonight experimentally, and the regular one tomorrow.
 
But if you could find a homeless shelter or some such thing and offer it, that'd be great.

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Paper Roses (4,810 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:27 PM

4. Thanks for your comments. I called the local food pantries.

Full up...and they are thankful.

I stuffed the turkey into the freezer and some time soon I will defrost it and see what I get. I will be by myself then, if anything goes wrong...I'll trash it.

I did try and give it away. Too late for those I could reach.

I have no time or oven size to cook both at the same time. I may try and defrost it this weekend and make soup and a meal or two for myself. I feel badly about this but I did try and pass the extra turkey along to someone in need.

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Warpy (72,942 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:04 PM

5. You can refreeze it. There will be some loss in taste and texture but it will be safe to eat

What I'd do is butcher it down, packing breast and leg meat separately. I cook with turkey as a substitute for veal and pork in a lot of recipes and am much more likely to butcher a turkey into usable pieces and then make soup out of the carcass. Butchering it down and putting it through the food processor or grinder can also give you enough ground turkey for several months' worth of meatballs and turkey burgers and you'll have the added benefit of knowing how the meat was handled.
 
The final benefit to this is that you don't have a damned turkey taking up all the room in the freezer. Even if you freeze the stock from the carcass, it will take up far less room along with the turkey meat than the original entire bird did.
 
Then again, you might want to be prepared for another turkey feast on Xmas, just about the time you've disposed of the last of the Thanksgiving leftovers. In that case, freeze the bird.

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6. have a good holiday, PR

I hope your weather isn't bad.
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2013, 04:24:10 PM »
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Paper Roses (4,810 posts)    Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:16 AM

Emergency help needed re: 2 turkeys

The volunteer organization for which I work was generous in giving the volunteers a turkey for Thanksgiving. Gave me mine yesterday. While I an thankful for their generosity, I had already bought a fresh turkey.
 
This Butterball is mostly defrosted and I don't know if I can refreeze it. Cannot cook 2 and the food pantries near me are all set and do not need any more. I don't know who to give it to, everyone I know seem to be all set.
 
Can I refreeze this turkey for later?

I think I know the answer but I don't want to waste it.What will happen if I refreeze this bird?
 
I am spending my AM getting things ready and can't run around asking...in fact, I don't know where to go.

My fresh bird is the size to feed my guests. The butterball is 12 pounds. I cannot use the Butterball and freeze the fresh because it is not large enough.
 
I am thankful to all my family for coming my way this year but need to find something to do with this extra bird. Help! BTW, it has been refrigerated for 2 days before given to me and is still in the refrigerator.

Send it to Lady Freedumb. She can cook it over an open fire in the desert with her Cherokee or whatever tribe he is.  Assuming Chief Running Drugs hasn't hunted one down already.
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 04:30:10 PM »
Honest question.

Am I correct in assuming that just so long as a turkey's cooked all the way through, it's safe?

It may have deteriorated in taste, but it's still safe, right?
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2013, 04:51:54 PM »
Honest question.

Am I correct in assuming that just so long as a turkey's cooked all the way through, it's safe?

It may have deteriorated in taste, but it's still safe, right?

Assuming you are talking about refreezing it Frank, then cooking it... you are correct.
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2013, 05:22:58 PM »
Paper Roses, the LocoPuffs DUmmy will give you $10 of his momma's money for that turkey.

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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2013, 07:11:18 PM »
I am lost,were both turkeys frozen?

Does not sound like it so cook the gift one and freeze the fresh one...duh

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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2013, 07:40:58 PM »
I am lost,were both turkeys frozen?

Does not sound like it so cook the gift one and freeze the fresh one...duh

That makes the most sense. But it seems the primitive has already decided to eat the fresh one.

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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2013, 08:50:40 PM »
I am lost,were both turkeys frozen?

Does not sound like it so cook the gift one and freeze the fresh one...duh

Supposedly the frozen one, half thawed, wasn't big enough for her family. The fresh one was.  At least that was the take I got on the situation. I could be wrong as I am currently suffering from an OD.... a turkey OD. A massive turkey OD. <insert fat, burping smiley here>


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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2013, 09:37:05 PM »
I don't know the official answer but we've refrozen meat, fish, and poultry dozens and dozens of times.

It's certainly not unsafe, and if it's not as good I've never been able to tell the difference.

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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2013, 10:27:22 PM »
Geez DUmmies, they have their own hotline - 1-800-BUTTERBALL - and you're asking your fellow nitwits at DU?
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
Frozen turkeys should immediately be immersed in a pot of boiling oil over an open flame.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2013, 12:15:52 AM »
Don't listen to these clowns, lurking DUmbasses. They haven't got the slightest clue the kind of dangers they're flirting with.

It's unsafe as hell to re-freeze poultry. Eating poultry you've refrozen opens yourself up to salmonella and cholera infectionsthat'd turn your innards inside out.

There is only one way to render refrozen turkey safe for consumption: within 28 seconds of thawing it to 34deg, the turkey must be soaked in a 1:10 strychnine to water solution for not less than 6 hours before cooking, to kill all bacteria and viruses on/in the carcass.

We're talking about your health and well being, DUmmy.  Do you really want to take the risk with an infected bird? :whistling: [/gNads]
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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2013, 09:22:58 AM »
Why go to DU for cooking advice? There is 1-800-BUTTERBALL.  :shrug:
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2013, 09:23:19 AM »
Paper Roses, the LocoPuffs DUmmy will give you $10 of his momma's money for that turkey.



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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2013, 09:28:57 AM »
DUmpmonkies don't know squat.
Let the turkey thaw, then put it someplace warm for 24 business hours to allow the meat to settle and cure.
They can put the potato salad and deviled eggs in the same place.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2013, 09:14:15 PM »
Don't listen to these clowns, lurking DUmbasses. They haven't got the slightest clue the kind of dangers they're flirting with.

It's unsafe as hell to re-freeze poultry. Eating poultry you've refrozen opens yourself up to salmonella and cholera infectionsthat'd turn your innards inside out.

There is only one way to render refrozen turkey safe for consumption: within 28 seconds of thawing it to 34deg, the turkey must be soaked in a 1:10 strychnine to water solution for not less than 6 hours before cooking, to kill all bacteria and viruses on/in the carcass.

We're talking about your health and well being, DUmmy.  Do you really want to take the risk with an infected bird? :whistling: [/gNads]

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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DUmpmonkies don't know squat.
Let the turkey thaw, then put it someplace warm for 24 business hours to allow the meat to settle and cure.
They can put the potato salad and deviled eggs in the same place.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: chronically helpless primitive needs emergency help with turkeys
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2013, 09:33:43 PM »
Aww, Perky, would I ever give a DUmpmonkey bad advice?
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2013, 12:20:00 AM »
Don't listen to these clowns, lurking DUmbasses. They haven't got the slightest clue the kind of dangers they're flirting with.

It's unsafe as hell to re-freeze poultry. Eating poultry you've refrozen opens yourself up to salmonella and cholera infectionsthat'd turn your innards inside out.

There is only one way to render refrozen turkey safe for consumption: within 28 seconds of thawing it to 34deg, the turkey must be soaked in a 1:10 strychnine to water solution for not less than 6 hours before cooking, to kill all bacteria and viruses on/in the carcass.

We're talking about your health and well being, DUmmy.  Do you really want to take the risk with an infected bird? :whistling: [/gNads]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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DUmpmonkies don't know squat.
Let the turkey thaw, then put it someplace warm for 24 business hours to allow the meat to settle and cure.
They can put the potato salad and deviled eggs in the same place.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Both ya all made me lol!!!!

On reflection, I do have to admit that when I nadined that re-frozen turkey solution, I accidentally closed the browser before I could confirm whether those were 28 normal seconds, like you might find on any clock, or  if they were 28 business seconds (which I understand have a 3-week minimum lead time, and are taxed as capital improvements at the 28% tax rate).  I did make sure it was actually 28 of whatever kind of seconds the thing was calling for.  I think... :argh:

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2013, 12:38:02 AM »
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H5 D6!!!!
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H5 Skul!!!

Both ya all made me lol!!!!

On reflection, I do have to admit that when I nadined that re-frozen turkey solution, I accidentally closed the browser before I could confirm whether those were 28 normal seconds, like you might find on any clock, or  if they were 28 business seconds (which I understand have a 3-week minimum lead time, and are taxed as capital improvements at the 28% tax rate).  I did make sure it was actually 28 of whatever kind of seconds the thing was calling for.  I think... :argh:
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2013, 12:57:50 AM »
Smarty pants.
Name all the capitols of all the 57 states.

Hold on, let me nadine that...  :cheersmate: :-)
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