sabrina 1 (39,405 posts)
173. Me too, TeeYiYi. It is unsettling. Progressives appear to be unwelcome in the Dem Party. I could
be wrong I suppose, but someone will have to convince me. I miss the progressives who used to post here. I assume they have found 'higher ground'. I too am seeking places where Progressives are welcome and not constantly under attack.
However, RL is probably where we Progressives are more likely to be effective.
Taverner was one of the good guys. It says a lot when a real progressive is considered a troll, while I could name a few here who are obviously right wing trolls continue to post without fear of being PPR'd. Maybe it really is time to move on to more effective Progressive venues.
She's quite the martyr.
TeeYiYi (5,230 posts)
220. Taverner's PPR...
...has been conflated into a supposed multi-sock carnival of cunning chicanery; when in fact, Tavener states on DUfacebook that he 'only created ONE sock.' A sock for communication in the face of suddenly finding himself banished. It is my understanding that he was honest about his intentions regarding that one 'sock.'
In that Taverner is a long time DUer, it is not a 'Twister stretch' to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his motives in this situation.
In the interest of honesty and fairness, it is my opinion that DU could use a little 'light of day' transparency disinfectant as we move forward through 2014 and on toward 2016. I say, "Make the super secret MIRT forum readable to all," so that DUers can observe the 'man behind the curtain' holding the ban hammer and not be relegated to speculating, with dread, the hypothetical intent behind his/her theoretical existence.
TYY
winter is coming (3,454 posts)
257. Then Taverner must be psychic because that sock was created a week before he was flagged for review.
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The YellowSnow sock http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=308860 was created on 10/21 and Taverner was active until 10/29. MIRT didn't know he'd been flagged for review until he used the YellowSnow sock on 11/11 and we initially thought it was a troll pretending to be Taverner.
MIRT doesn't have the power to put anyone on review, and we only ban newbies. The "super secret MIRT forum" is accessible to anyone willing to serve a term, an experience I encourage every DUer to consider. The transparency you desire would mean handing trolls a set of tips about what they should do to be less recognizable, so I doubt that will ever happen. There's no oath of secrecy, though, so if you look back through the old threads in the Announcements forum, you'll see lists of MIRTers, past and present. Perhaps you trust one of them enough to ask what MIRT is like.
Oooooh! BURN!
Who would have thought a Proglodyte would ahve lied to get sympathy about how mean the world is to him rather than accept responsibility for his own actions.
Of course Tav's fellow Proglodytes will accept the truth, right?
TeeYiYi (5,230 posts)
273. Perhaps he created the sock...
...when he realized that he was being alert stalked.
I don't know Taverner personally. All of my opinions are conjecture. I still hope that he gets reinstated.
Upon further consideration, I agree that the Host/MIRT forums should remain cloaked from public scrutiny. I do, however, still believe that admin considers the opinions and conversations held within the private forums when making ppr decisions.
TYY
No, he doesn't accept truth, he has to spin it.
However, it is illuminating that they have "alert-stalking"
IOW: Proglodytes know they can harass each other to use the "force of law" to silence opinions they do not approve of.
Inside every Proglodyte is an authoritarian screaming to get out.
Back to Purina1's martyrdom.
The conspiracy grows:
woo me with science (23,082 posts)
182. Well said. And the swarming and disruption from corporate mouthpieces is not just evident at DU.
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It is pervasive in previously liberal meeting places across the internet, which shows what a massive, orchestrated creation it really is.
It's simply creepy, and it demonstrates for people first-hand how sick and deep and pervasive the authoritarianism being constructed around us really is. We see it not only in the unthinkable mass spying of the United States of America on its own citizens, but also in the creepy, relentless disruption of liberal gathering places and the propaganda machine right out of 1984.
More woo than science.
The backlash against liberal policies across the length and breadth of social media isn't a rejection of liberalism. It couldn't be; they're too perfectly awesome to be rejected. Everything they do is flawless and well-loved.
It must be evil people playing dirty!
Fat Che's Little Brother (9,600 posts)
13. Another victim of the "soft PPR."
A gang of alert stalkers keeps at it until they get 3 in a 24 hour period, which gets you locked out without a review.
Just goes to show how easily the current system can be abused by a dedicated group.
Fat Che's Little Brother (9,600 posts)
20. It happened to me, too
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One poster even commented how they had been called to serve on three juries on frivolous alerts against me. They finally found three juries in the middle of the night and I got locked out of DU.
This is also what happened to Taverner. And although the notification says that the review is "usually done within 24 hours" I was locked out for six days, and Taverner for over a week.
The lockout procedure also kicks you out of ATA and sending messages to the admins, so there is next to no way to resolve the situation. I finally thought of alerting in the notification. I guess Taverner didn't think of that.
Locking accounts temporarily might be a good idea for stopping spammers or trolls before MIRT can get to them, but as it's currently written it's open for abuse.
ETA: the comment I was referring to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=11140
They're quite fractured over there about this new policy.
It looks as if DickSkinner's new review system is rolling out with all the success of DemCare.
