Gloves Off: GOP Establishment Goes After Tea Party

[obumazombie]

Todd Akin never should have made it past the primary. He was a loser before the primary, he was a loser during the runup to the election, and Claire McCaskill knew she had it in the bag when Akin became the GOP candidate.

When the GOP can't even convince a loser like Akin to back the **** off and resign after making the dumbass statements he did, that convinced me that the GOP -- as a political force -- is not what it should be.

I met Jim Talent in D.C. when I took the family there. He insisted on giving us a tour of the capital building. I don't know how he lost to McCaskill.

[Eupher]

I met Jim Talent in D.C. when I took the family there. He insisted on giving us a tour of the capital building. I don't know how he lost to McCaskill.

Well, she's a lying, thieving liberal Democrat who simply worships the ground Barry walks on.

What's not to love?  

[NHSparky]

You have said this a couple of times.  I'm very interested in what you consider a 100%er to be.  Would Senator Ted Cruz meet your definition?

I don't think Cruz would be.  Ron Paul was, well, 100 percenter batshit crazy and hypocritical, anyway, as were most of his followers.

I for one don't believe there are any hard-core 100 percenters in the Senate, and I'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple in the House these days.

[NHSparky]

Your never going to get a perfect candidate.  Both parties have swings in their supporters.  There is no way you can please everyone. 

But I do think this next election will come down to people voting their wallets. 

Well, that's what a lot of people have done the last couple of election cycles...who can gimme more free shit?

[DumbAss Tanker]

I really wish conservatives would stop using the false meme of forcing "default".  With $230 billion coming in every month and $30 billion debt service it wasn't going to happen.  Of course O'bamer could have violated the constitution and forced default.  I guess the threat of that should have put the most "pure" conservative on their knees.  Further,  polls show about 70% of the country didn't notice any effects of the 15-20% "shutdown" but, "good" conservatives went right along with the press crying about the stupid Tea Party shutdown.  

Perhaps you failed to notice the $600 billion we went further into debt just in October. That's OK "good" Republicans haven't mentioned it either.

The Tea Party has had a couple failures that were wildly celebrated  and, I could see that putting you off on the 100$ers.  I guess rather than try to get it right, we should just settle into the status of the minority loyal opposition.   I guess a good way to start might be for McConnel and Boner to jump in and help democrats make obungacare even better.  

Opinions differ, ours clearly aren't going to meet. 

The whole debt service argument is one I regard as very poorly thought out.  It relies on prioritization of payments, and SOMEBODY gets screwed when all the outflows exceed the inflows, whether it comes down to prioritizing payments to pay bonds first (Half of them in China) at the expense of veterans, people who have sold stuff to the government and want paid, or whoever else ranks lower with Obama than welfare and solar energy companies.  It still screws somebody, and you can bet your ass it won't be somebody Obama likes.  It also tanks the creditworthiness of the government, which kicks new issue bond interest rates into an escalating death spiral because reliably paying ALL debts and obligations, not just the bonds, is the foundation of the bond rating.  Who would be in charge of prioritizing those payouts?  Hint:  Not us.  The Oministration would decide who would get paid first, and anything benefiting his core constituencies and contributors would be far, far ahead of anything else on the priority list.

You can't just stop paying your debts because you think you're too deep in debt, that is insolvency and ends in either bankruptcy court or a ton of trouble with creditors, at the very least paying a lot more for any future credit when you finally realize that isn't really going to work.  It works the same way for a government, except bankruptcy isn't an option.  You can stop contracting new ones in excess of revenues*, but that ain't gonna happen as long as the Dems control at least one house of Congress, the Oministration remains in control of the Executive branch, and the press demonizes any group trying to stand in the way of 'Business as usual' because they are both pro-Leftist and because Populist bullshit without accountability or a sound plan to pay for it sells like hotcakes in media and politics.

*Of course, as the CBO's cost analysis of the ACA shows for the current system of balancing costs and revenues, the way Congress does cost out its legislation is so thoroughly gamed, transparently corrupt, and based on allowing patently-ridiculous assumptions in its basis that it's essentially meaningless as a check-and-balance or management control sense.

[Bad Dog]

It also tanks the creditworthiness of the government, which kicks new issue bond interest rates into an escalating death spiral because reliably paying ALL debts and obligations, not just the bonds, is the foundation of the bond rating. 

 the press demonizes any group trying to stand in the way of 'Business as usual' because they are both pro-Leftist and because Populist bullshit without accountability or a sound plan to pay for it sells like hotcakes in media and politics.

Well that settles it.  Loyal minority opposition it is.

[J P Sousa]

While reading this thread I'm reminded of one Ronald Reagan;

 Although he did not formally declare his candidacy until November 1979, Reagan made it clear to his inner circle from the moment of the 1976 convention that he intended to again seek the presidency. He was the choice of rank-and-file Republican voters in public opinion polls although many establishment GOP politicians thought he was too conservative and perhaps too old to win the White House.  

http://millercenter.org/president/reagan/essays/biography/3

If the "establishment GOP politicians" had their way we would never have had a President Reagan.  

 
Establishment GOP politicians = LOSERS.
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[wasp69]

I respect what Cruz did, and although the outcome was a foregone conclusion, I think he made an important statement.  Of course he knew it was a purely symbolic act, and it would not succeed in forcing a default or keeping the government shut down, and a serious shot at doing either of those is not something I would respect.

A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target.  He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it.  The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers.  It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.

[Bad Dog]

A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target.  He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it.  The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers.  It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.

Amen, you said it much better than I could.

H-5

[Lacarnut]

A past the surface analysis will show that the democrats were not Cruz's intended target.  He knew what they were going to say, and do, and how they were going to say and do it.  The true target, the one that he smoked out, were the RINOs and the democrat enablers.  It will remain to be seen how effective his tactic was during the primaries and what type of followup action he performs before them.

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Shutting down the gov. down probably cost the Repubs the Gov. race in VA. Anyone that thought Reid or Obama would give an inch was a fool. We all knew that Bonehead would crumble. However, it is evident that the Democrats are running far and wide away from Obummer and his health care plan.

As far as I am concerned, Cruz's plan was all show and no go. Like the Kenny R. song, you got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. 

[wasp69]

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Shutting down the gov. down probably cost the Repubs the Gov. race in VA.

Bull.

The Clinton bag man was supposed to win this one walking away, especially after the shutdown (polls said Dem +21).  The shutdown wasn't the deciding factor, especially with polled govt workers who live in blue, DC Hell.

[Bad Dog]

Bull.

The Clinton bag man was supposed to win this one walking away, especially after the shutdown (polls said Dem +21).  The shutdown wasn't the deciding factor, especially with polled govt workers who live in blue, DC Hell.

The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.

[txradioguy]

The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.

Imagine what could have happened if the RNC hadn't stabbed Cuccinelli in the back. The loss in the VA race was as much the fault of the RNC as it was anything else.

[NHSparky]

The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.

No way in hell I'm voting for him.  NO. WAY. IN. HELL.

[JohnnyReb]

The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.

No way in hell I'm voting for him.  NO. WAY. IN. HELL.

Fatboy ain't getting my vote either. I'm damn tied of voting democrat lite-to-heavy.

My US representative(Mick Mulvaney) is holding a town hall meeting 35 miles away tonight. I might just ride over there to give him 10 seconds worth of my thoughts to take back to Washington.

Why just 10 seconds.....I'm gonna take out most of the cuss words and that'll only leave me 10 seconds worth of dialog.

[txradioguy]

The fact that the media and RNC are already pimping Christie as the GOP 2016 nominee tells me I'm staying home.

No way in hell I'm voting for him.  NO. WAY. IN. HELL.

This is another instance where the Dems WANT this guy to be the nominee so they can chop him off at the knees and have four more years of Socialism.

There are sleleton's in his closet the left is DYING to drag out if he runs. And they will. And they are serious things that the GOP should seriously distance themselves from...but they won't.

The media will stoke this clown's enormous ego and be nice to him right up to the moment he (God forbid) becomes the nominee then the'll kneecap him just like they did McCain.

[SaintLouieWoman]

As of this moment my voting policy will be, if I have a tea party candidate to vote for then I will vote for him or her. If I have a establishment RINO to vote for then I will vote for the democrat. If I can't vote for a candidate who will try to fix this country then I will vote for the candidate who will bring it down the quickest. A vote for a RINO is a vote for a democrat and I have no plans on humoring a RINO by letting him or her think I support them. If the old guard cannot support the new guard then I will do my part to disenfranchise the old guard.

Problem with this thinking--that's how we get Obama in and his minions. The part about brining down he country the quickest is frightening.

It's a total dilemna. I strongly dislike the RINOs, particulary McCain and Mitch McCollum. The problem is that it's almost impossible to rectify the damage and destruction brought about by Obama.

We somehow need to put pressure on the RINO's quickly to get in step with the conservatives. We won't have a country if some folk at a way higher pay grade than me figre out how to get it done.

[SaintLouieWoman]

This is another instance where the Dems WANT this guy to be the nominee so they can chop him off at the knees and have four more years of Socialism.

There are sleleton's in his closet the left is DYING to drag out if he runs. And they will. And they are serious things that the GOP should seriously distance themselves from...but they won't.

The media will stoke this clown's enormous ego and be nice to him right up to the moment he (God forbid) becomes the nominee then the'll kneecap him just like they did McCain.

McCain still hasn't leaned, preens himself in front of the press. They really stoked his ego. It doesn't take much to do the same with Christie. Last night has me sick. It was the worst possible result. Christie up, the tea party down (thanks to the dirty dem politics in Virgnia).

[wasp69]

Last night has me sick. It was the worst possible result. Christie up, the tea party down (thanks to the dirty dem politics in Virgnia).

Don't believe the narrative, SLW.  The TEA Party did just fine without RNC help and local elections went pretty well.  The RNC establishment wanted this loss so they can try and tell us that conservatism is dead and the TEA Party are extremists, right in lockstep with their democrat brethren.  I don't see people being defeated as much as they are getting angry.  The RNC will change or they will die, simple as that.

Keep the course and don't get discouraged, there are battles lost in a war.

[Zathras]

The Dem backed Paulite candidate took 6% of the vote.

I wouldn't call the so called Libertarian in the this election a Paulite since Ron Paul himself was in Virginia warning libertarians there not to vote for this fake. Unfortunately not enough of them heard him to make a difference.

[Ptarmigan]

Don't believe the narrative, SLW.  The TEA Party did just fine without RNC help and local elections went pretty well.  The RNC establishment wanted this loss so they can try and tell us that conservatism is dead and the TEA Party are extremists, right in lockstep with their democrat brethren.  I don't see people being defeated as much as they are getting angry.  The RNC will change or they will die, simple as that.

Keep the course and don't get discouraged, there are battles lost in a war.

 

[Purple Sage]

There were robocalls calling Cuccinelli an abortionist.  The RNC yanked funding in early October and gave it to Christie.  Without the third party plant, we would have won it.  If those that sat home because they believed the polls that had McAntiLife winning big-time had got off their duffs and voted, we would have won.

[DumbAss Tanker]

There's a lot of truth and a lot of magical thinking mixed up together in this thread.  The real bottom line is that coalitions win national elections, hard stands don't, but it's also important not to abandon your core beliefs just for the sake of the coalition, because then victory is meaningless.  Vote for some no-chance hard-over guy who perfectly reflects your own ideas, like Ron Paul, if you want, but the GOP will have plenty of company in Loserville, including you and the guy you voted for.  Suit yourselves. 

Yeah, the shutdown probably did cost Cuccinelli the VA election, but that's really because of the unique makeup of the VA electorate, which has a hugely disproportionate number of Federal employees and Federal contractors who were directly and personally affected by it, and wanted to take it out on someone...though the Paulista no doubt pulled votes because Cuccinelli wasn't pure enough Libertarian for them (Reminds me of something else in this thread...), and the RNC's lack of support put the guy in a ridiculously-unequal spending contest.  Changing any one of the three would have probably changed the outcome, but I'm sure the Beltway GOP will try blame it on the candidate rather than their own crappy support or the shutdown, though the Conservative hard-liners will join them in saying it wasn't the shutdown because that might mean actions have consequences, an alien thought in politics on both sides of the aisle.

I won't be voting for fat boy either, mostly because of RKBA but also because he's an asshole.  Fox and the Beltway GOP will love him because being an asshole passes for charisma in their part of the country, and he is a (Somewhat) Fiscal Conservative.  However, he has no use for Social Conservatives or Libertarian Conservatives.  Like John McCain, there is neither any Lib/Prog social agenda he will discount as over-the-top, nor is there any invasion of privacy and personal liberty he regards as 'Too much' if he thinks it connects to national security or turning the populace into an unarmed rabbit warren under the watchful control of police and security agencies.

Cruz was really unmasking the RINOs?  Ummm, okay, I'm sure self-immolation of the Right coalition by a stagnant-growth minority faction of that (losing in the last general elections) coalition would be a brilliant strategy in some dimension.  I prefer to give him the more-charitable evaluation of "Last great act of defiance" however "Surface" others might regard it.

Flame away, I don't give a shit, I'm done with this thread.

[txradioguy]

Cruz was really unmasking the RINOs? 

If not really unmasking them he confirmed for everyone who they were.

Ummm, okay, I'm sure self-immolation of the Right coalition by a stagnant-growth minority faction of that (losing in the last general elections) coalition would be a brilliant strategy in some dimension. 

Huh?

I prefer to give him the more-charitable evaluation of "Last great act of defiance" however "Surface" others might regard it.

So standing up to the shit sandwich that is Obamacare...trying to do something to reign in the financial irresponsibility is the "last great act of defiance"?

Ummm....ok. 

Flame away, I don't give a shit, I'm done with this thread.

What's with the bitterness?

[GOP Congress]

When I created my avatar, it was done prior to the 2010 elections in order to effect change, which was quite successful in turning the House. But the message is clear: The CURRENT enemy must be focused NOT on the Democrats and current media, which is no different than Soviet KGB-enforced socialist communism in practice, but against the GOP establishment. Frankly, we are so polarized that if you are NOT Tea Party, you are, with all pragmatic honesty, a BIGGER supporter of the Communist Manufesto than the American Constitution. This is not rhetoric, but pragmatic FACT. Yes I said it: Chris Christie and John McCain's policies emanate more closely from Cold War era Socialist policies than fundamental American policies, and must be treated as such.

So what to do? This is the stickler. An army united against a common enemy has far less problems and far more resolve than an army riddled with 5th column infiltrators. When you are busy fighting your own officers for policies that surrender and appeasement is mandated over armed engagement, you have a nightmare tragedy. This is EXACTLY where we are at.

So our first order of business is attacking the GOP establishment. Let the left gloat for now, and of course, we gotta stave off their own march as much as possible. But I suspect the Alinsky operatives have completely poisoned the waters. This country may have to fall completely before resurrection is possible, and that means our children and grandchildren will bear this brunt.