Primitive going off the rails over the truth being told

[USA4ME]

Pretzel_Warrior

I am getting tired of the "all fronts" attack the Heritage Foundation and GOP are engaged in

They are literally following up on their statement after getting ASS HANDED to them in 2012 that they were going to attack on all fronts. 1,000 fronts to create so much havoc that, in their view, the Obama White House will be unable to govern.

I believe the timing of release of Snowden leaks by Glenn Greenwald is absolutely in concert with the GOP strategy. He is not to be trusted. Rather than being a freedom lover, Glenn Greenwald is an Obama and Democrat hater. He wants to defeat Obama at every turn, and it is palpable in virtually everything he says. He truly is an enemy of America.

Now we have all of the misinformation on shitty insurance policies being cancelled and the line being pushed that Obama wasn't truthful with the American people back when he was promoting Obamacare. Uh....that's already been debunked losers!!

Some idiots are still out there pimping Benghazi as an item to go after. Really? GO **** YOURSELVES, Republicans! You are responsible as a party for the death of MILLIONS of Iraqis and thousands upons thousands of American youth who died in Iraq war that you masturbated over as military contractors in your districts got rich.

Does any of this need to be discussed? Certainly. I am happy to see that the NSA thing is finally being brought to the point of absolute unacceptable levels of spying that it HAS to be looked at and changed. Obama and his administration will receive a lot of pressure from American people and key Democrats to do something to reign this in. That is acceptable. But it is also one of many spears the GOP is hurling at Obama and Democrats as though Obama personally started this whole mess. No. He didn't. Notice how evil Cheney is rising back up to talk about how important this spying is. It wouldn't surprise me to hear he has his own personal leakers who hand carry the latest signal intel form NSA to his lair.

What I am saying in all of this is there is a reason we need to focus on solutions and not just whining around about details like how much a male vs. a female is going to pay in premiums for health insurance. That is very self-centered and not very much in the spirit of democratic values of "all of us in it together".

We really need to think how we fight back on DU and in our real world experiences with others to turn this back where it belongs--failed leadership by Republicans and their constant hatred and blocking of Obama from installing ANY of his agenda or even seeking reasonable compromise on the regular order of business in running a federal government.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023945177

One of the main Dear Leader fellatio crew on the island trying to rally the troups to mindlessly follow and defend the lies coming from the WH and Dem leadership.

Keep an eye on this kook. He's gonna fall apart before it's all over with. Look at his avatar (his pic) and you can just tell he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

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[Chris_]

We really need to think how we fight back on DU...

How do you manage that when there are no conservatives or Republicans allowed within a thousand yards of DU?

[diesel driver]

One of the main Dear Leader fellatio crew on the island trying to rally the troups to mindlessly follow and defend the lies coming from the WH and Dem leadership.

Keep an eye on this kook. He's gonna fall apart before it's all over with. Look at his avatar (his pic) and you can just tell he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

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I'll have to wait to get on my "main" computer at home to see DUmbass's avatar.
My "smart" phone won't show it.

[biersmythe]

We really need to think how we fight back on DU

WHOOP! I see a problem already.

[diesel driver]

WHOOP! I see a problem already.

Three "whoops" in one sentence!
"Think", "fight", and "DU" should NEVER be used in the same sentence!
Such lapses could destroy the "Time-Space Continuum" as we know it!
                                 

[Freeper]

When was it debunked that 0bama lied about keeping our plans?

[Delmar]

When was it debunked that 0bama lied about keeping our plans?

When the dirty liar Valerie Jarrett said so on twitter.

Valerie Jarrett        ✔ @vj44
FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.
7:07 PM - 28 Oct 2013

[Freeper]

When the dirty liar Valerie Jarrett said so on twitter.

Oh that settles it.

[USA4ME]

When the dirty liar Valerie Jarrett said so on twitter.

Yeah, basically it's "We told you that you could keep your plan, but your insurance company changed the plan because the law said they had to change, but it's not our fault that you couldn't keep it because you should have realized that your insurance company was forced to drop plans that didn't fit the mould, or they should have told you they'd have to change their plans to meet the law, but it's not our fault because in order for you to go along we had to make the claim you could keep your insurance if you wanted to."

For some reason, libs actually believe people are going to hear that and go "OK, makes sense. Dear Leader didn't really lie." There's a certain faction that is stupid enough to believe it (witness the Pretzel_Warrior primitive), but most people aren't as stupid as he is.

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[Dori]

Valerie Jarrett        ✔ @vj44
FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.
7:07 PM - 28 Oct 2013

What is she talking about? 

[Freeper]

Yeah, basically it's "We told you that you could keep your plan, but your insurance company changed the plan because the law said they had to change, but it's not our fault that you couldn't keep it because you should have realized that your insurance company was forced to drop plans that didn't fit the mould, or they should have told you they'd have to change their plans to meet the law, but it's not our fault because in order for you to go along we had to make the claim you could keep your insurance if you wanted to."

For some reason, libs actually believe people are going to hear that and go "OK, makes sense. Dear Leader didn't really lie." There's a certain faction that is stupid enough to believe it (witness the Pretzel_Warrior primitive), but most people aren't as stupid as he is.

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It's the insurance companies fault for following the law.

[Carl]

Yeah, basically it's "We told you that you could keep your plan, but your insurance company changed the plan because the law said they had to change, but it's not our fault that you couldn't keep it because you should have realized that your insurance company was forced to drop plans that didn't fit the mould, or they should have told you they'd have to change their plans to meet the law, but it's not our fault because in order for you to go along we had to make the claim you could keep your insurance if you wanted to."

For some reason, libs actually believe people are going to hear that and go "OK, makes sense. Dear Leader didn't really lie." There's a certain faction that is stupid enough to believe it (witness the Pretzel_Warrior primitive), but most people aren't as stupid as he is.

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It is even more astounding then that (just listened to Carvelle on O`Reilly),the meme they are floating and some of the print media was testing today is to redefine policies as not really insurance so therefor what the liar in chief said did not apply to them.

[FlaGator]

What is she talking about?  

She is trying to hide the fact that right after Obamacare passed HHS redefined what it was to grandfather in a policy. This basically forced the insurance companies to cancel policies by making the rules on changing a policy so strict that if they moved a period at that end of a sentence then it would considered a new policy that wasn't in effect on the day when Obamacare passed.

Its called trying to have your cake and it it too.

[MD]

hahaha this guy is great :D

he really is losing it, and its going to get worse.

The more Obamacare fails the more desperate these people will get.  They know that if Obamacare fails this early, and this badly, there wont be single payer or any more big government progressivism for quite some time.  And that is why they are going off the rails right now.

[BattleHymn]

Keep an eye on this kook. He's gonna fall apart before it's all over with. Look at his avatar (his pic) and you can just tell he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

I think he's shooting to get nominated into the running for DOTY.

Obviously, he's going to have to kick it up a few notches if he expects to finish anywhere near the top ten.   


Judging from his avatar photo, he looks like he might be a dead ringer for first prize in a Larry look-alike contest, if he would just tease his hair out a little more.

[miskie]

She is trying to hide the fact that right after Obamacare passed HHS redefined what it was to grandfather in a policy. This basically forced the insurance companies to cancel policies by making the rules on changing a policy so strict that if they moved a period at that end of a sentence then it would considered a new policy that wasn't in effect on the day when Obamacare passed.

Its called trying to have your cake and it it too.

That is my understanding of it. A grandfathered in insurance plan can NEVER change anything, because if it does it loses its grandfathered status, and is then subject to meeting current Obamacare requirements. Obamacare has changed the underlying tax structure and according to the ACA law, that alone is enough of a change to kill off pretty much all of the grandfathered plans. -Of course, this makes it the insurance company's fault for daring to comply with Obamacare in the first place.

[98ZJUSMC]

It's the insurance companies fault for following the law.

Strange how little tidbits like that always slip by the bestest, brightestest people on the planet.

[Freeper]

The more Obamacare fails the more desperate these people will get.  They know that if Obamacare fails this early, and this badly, there wont be single payer or any more big government progressivism for quite some time.  And that is why they are going off the rails right now.

I disagree with that assessment. What will happen, and this is by design, health insurance will be so expensive, cover so little, and be so messed up that people by the score will demand they fix it with single payer.

Don't believe me? Use SS as an example, the government has screwed that up badly, there are no calls for repeal, there are calls to strengthen it and fix it. The only people calling for repeal is a few conservative voices.

[DumbAss Tanker]

1,000 fronts to create so much havoc that, in their view, the Obama White House will be unable to govern.

We got to "Unable to govern" long ago, unfortunately they still have possession of most of the dangerous controls.

[biersmythe]

We were at "Unable to govern" when first elected, unfortunately they still have possession of most of the dangerous controls.

FIFY. Unfortunetly for us its a sad truth.

[obumazombie]

Pretzel Warrior is an obvious mole. He's/She's a good one too.

[Freeper]

Pretzel Warrior is an obvious mole. He's/She's a good one too.

No I think he is true believer. No mole would try this hard. Then again I can't account for GOP Congress's whereabouts.

[BlueStateSaint]

I disagree with that assessment. What will happen, and this is by design, health insurance will be so expensive, cover so little, and be so messed up that people by the score will demand they fix it with single payer.

Don't believe me? Use SS as an example, the government has screwed that up badly, there are no calls for repeal, there are calls to strengthen it and fix it. The only people calling for repeal is a few conservative voices.

I tend to agree with MD.  Why?  This ****up happened right at the onset of the cACA.  The weakness of SS wasn't manifest until some time later.  Hence, the moderates will be gunshy about any more governmental involvement.

[Freeper]

I tend to agree with MD.  Why?  This ****up happened right at the onset of the cACA.  The weakness of SS wasn't manifest until some time later.  Hence, the moderates will be gunshy about any more governmental involvement.

I'd prefer to be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[MD]

I disagree with that assessment. What will happen, and this is by design, health insurance will be so expensive, cover so little, and be so messed up that people by the score will demand they fix it with single payer.

Don't believe me? Use SS as an example, the government has screwed that up badly, there are no calls for repeal, there are calls to strengthen it and fix it. The only people calling for repeal is a few conservative voices.

As BlueStateSaint said, I think this is different from SS.

In the case of SS it only started to show cracks years after its implementation.  Obamacare is different.  I wont argue that it was designed to fail, it was, but I dont think it was designed to fail this quickly.  The plan was for 5-10 years from now the system to start to fall apart.  Right about the time that the taxes and subsidies go 1:1.  Keep in mind that the first 6 years of Obamacare are paid for in 10 years of taxes.  Then they could come in and "save" us by going to single payer because by that point the insurance industry would be decimated.

Instead we still have an insurance industry that can survive.  If Obamcare fails after the insurance industry is decimated then we get single payer, if it fails before that we go back to insurance.  Thats why Democrats are desperate to save the law, they just want to get it to a steady limp for about 5 years before pushing for single payer.

And thats partly why I think so many liberals and progressives are freaking out right now.  They realize that Obamacare is failing far to early and that this failure is going to push back big government progressivsm by a generation or more.  Trust in big government, and government in general, is crashing right now.  The double whammy of the Shutdown and then Obamacares failure is making a lot of people question why the government is so big, and that thought terrifies leftists.


SS also was very popular in the polls from the moment it came up, and it got more popular after it went into law.
Obamacare has done the exact opposite.  It started out highly unpopular, and it continues to stay unpopular even after it goes into effect. 
SS was Bi-Partisan, Obamacare wasnt. 

I know its easy to compare, but I really dont think they are similar.  There are just to many differences in how they were passed and implemented. 

All we can really do is wait though.  We all know that Obamacare is failing, the question really is how massive is the failure and what do Americans take away from that?  As long as the messaging is "big government=bad" then we will win this fight.  If that messaging turns more into "Government will save you!" then its all over.