DU: where the food is hateful...even the nut cheese

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Tonight's entrée:

Braised sanctimony stuffed with spite and with julienned arrogance in a half-witted roux served on a bed bitter acrimony.


It's a long thread, I admit, but it's worth the mileage on your scroll wheel. You'll find a thousand reasons to punch a vegan and a thousand people punching vegans.

There's even a complementary nads bully swarm without nads.

livingwagenow (269 posts)

Eating heirloom raw organic vegan is the ultimate **** YOU to corporate America.
  
Standard American Diet = S.A.D.

The SAD diet is designed to make us sick WITHOUT killing us right away. Its fine if we die several years down the road, after they've milked our sick asses for all we're worth. When we are bankrupt from our ill health brought on by our diet of fake 'food', then corporate America throws us to the lions and we die a miserable death, bankrupted because we're kicked off our for-profit "health insurance". Once we're bankrupt, we're no longer useful, err profitable to the profit scheme known as the modern American 'healthcare' system.

If I were a sociopathic capitalist, I'd pick pharmaceuticals as my profit method. I'd collude with food giants. We'd work together to unleash GMO's laced with toxic pesticides that also are taken up by the roots of the plants that don't just wash off. You can't wash all of the pesticide residue off of a conventionally grow(non-organic) food. Much of the poison is absorbed into the plant from its surfaces or imbedded via root absorption.

Conventional(non-organic) produce is a maker of sickness.

Opt for non-gmo organic produce. Eat it and feel your health and vitality return. Ask a vegan. They'll confirm these facts.

Moving on..

Meat.

Nearly ALL meat types introduce health and vitality killing parasites into our bodies. Parasites can consume almost all of the nutrition ingested by the infected host. Thus leaving the host in a state of malnutrition while the host thinks they're eating a nutritious diet. Parasites ROB their hosts of their health and vitality.

Most new infectious diseases like MRSA, the disease spreading through some locker rooms and gyms(Tampa Bay Bucs anyone?) is likely a result of factory farms and vaccinating farm animals. Diseases are mutating at an alarming rate and the evidence is pointing toward factory farms as the source of said mutations.

Frankenbeef, the cow itself is an unnatural species. The result of crossbreeding and hybridization. Grain fed beef is marbleized with saturated fat, hormoned, and vaccinated. The perfect unholy trinity for destroying health and vitality.

Pork is laden with parasitic worms and/or their eggs. Cooking does not kill all parasitic eggs. Google pork parasites. Populations that eat pork are populations with high parasitic infection rates.

Fish can also be a major parasitic source. Fish are also laden with the very poisonous mercury. Humans are fishing our oceans to death. Tuna could be an endangered or extinct species by 2020.

Common nutrient deficiencies of a meat-based SAD diet.

Magnesium
Silica
Folate
Potassium
Manganese
80+ trace minerals

As a 100% raw vegan, meaning I don't cook anything, I'm often asked, "B-B-But, where do you get your protein?"
My answer is, "Where the **** do you think cows get their protein?" From the plants that they eat. Plants are by far the best sources of protein.

I then ask said meat-eater, "Where do you get your magnesium, folate, potassium from with your meat-based SAD diet?" Silence.

The best sources of protein
Spirullina (algae)
Chlorella (algae)
Hemp Seeds
Mung Beans(really, most beans)
Quinoa
Goji berries
Almonds
Cashews
Asparagus
Pumpkin seeds(most seeds, nuts are great protein sources)
Tempeh and other soy products

Trust me, protein is not an issue in raw vegan eating.

Transitioning to vegan really wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be. The health benefits come quickly. The feeling of vastly improved health and vitality come quickly. The aches and pains disappear. Indigestion, gone. No more acne or other skin ailments. No more high blood pressure. No more high cholesterol.

Mostly, I never have to look an animal in its eyes and watch the life leave its eyes so that I can eat it. I will never harm an animal for food ever again.

I will never harm my body by ingesting an animal product, ever again.

If humans were meant to digest meat, we would've evolved a stomach similar to a wolf's stomach. The stomach of a wolf produces acid that is 7-10 times stronger than a human's stomach acid. Meat requires that type of acidity to properly digest.

Meat is a human gut bacteria destroyer. We need our gut bacteria. It is quite possibly the most important aspect of our digestion. Any digestive ailment can immediately start the process of malnutrition.

Digestive disorders lead to heart disease, coronary plaque, cancer, diabetes, stroke, inflammation-related disorders, auto-immune disorders like arthritis etc, in other words, the diseases that kill most of us.

Treatment of these ailments is a multi-multi billion, perhaps trillion dollar industrial complex. Put a price tag on the cost of the detrimental effects of the SAD diet, the diseases listed above. How much does that cost our country?

So why is vegan so effective?

Re-mineralization. Vegan diets are high in nutrients/minerals that are deficient in the SAD diet.
Detoxification. Organic vegan foods are powerful body cleansers and detoxifiers.
High fiber. The intestinal cleaner.
Antioxidants. See above detox.
Plant phenols, sterols and other super-nutrient plant compounds.
Probiotic. Supports a healthy gut bacteria population.
Prebiotic. Feeds your healthy gut bacteria.
Anti-inflammatory. Inflammation is one of humankinds worst ailments.
Endless energy.
Increased libido.
Weight loss.
Vitality.

Ask a vegan if they are on any prescriptions. Most will say no. I've cured my pre-diabetes and high blood pressure and restored my health and vitality. I am also HIV positive and living very healthy. My immune system #'s are stronger than most non-hivers. I am not on HIV meds but my doc and I closely monitor my immune system.

Don't believe me about the benefits of raw organic vegan? Ask another vegan. They'll tell you many of the same things that I'm saying here.

We no longer need to be slaves to big pharma. 100% Raw Organic Vegan is my middle finger to the corporate big pharma industrial complex, to factory farms, to GMO and pesticide profiteers. The same big pharma/big food/big GMO/big poisoners that have helped destroy our democracy.

Food is politics. We have to make it a front and center issue in mainstream politics. We are what we eat and the SAD diets feeds us poison.

Food is more political than almost any other issue.

el_bryanto (4,616 posts)

1. Are we are allowed to eat cheese? nt

livingwagenow (269 posts)

2. As a vegan, I don't. Instead, give soy, almond or rice cheese a try...
 
You'll be surprised at just how good these healthy cheese alternatives are. They taste great, like the real thing IMO.

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

55. If being a vegan is so great
 
why do so many vegan foods attempt to recreate the shape, texture, and taste of non-vegan foods?

Vegan cheese? Why would that even exist?

handmade34 (10,614 posts)

168. because

habits die hard... eating healthy is a noble attempt and anything that makes it possible is a positive step...

and also in this society there are certain givens (things that the majority of people do/eat)... and at least mimicking a given makes it a bit more acceptable

^ This is how arrogant they are. They always assume you can't think for yourself.

Or you're simply evil:

StrayKat (253 posts)

251. Because

1. Most of the US is made up of carnists (people who chose to eat meat) who use the absence of a 'meaty' texture as an excuse for not going veg. Creating simulation products is a way of tamping down some of the objection and at least getting more people to try it.

2. Most people have very limited diets (even if they think they don't) and are squeamish about new foods. This is part of the reason so many young children have very limited diets of 4 or 5 staple foods that have to be coaxed into expanding. Although the list may have expanded to 10 or 15 different foods in adulthood, some still have a rather narrow diet they don't stray too far from. So, some products aim to make foods that still look, taste, or feel similar to more familiar foods for the new food phobic.

3. Vegans and their food choices are frequently bashed and therefore some vegans try to prove to everybody else that their food is good too. Often, the only way to do that is on terms that are familiar to the bashers, which means comparing meat burgers to bean burgers as opposed to aloo palak or ratatouille.

4. There is often a period of transition for vegetarians and vegans where they haven't fully adjusted to eating all the 'new' food. The simulated products can serve as crutches (or transitional foods) until new veg-eaters fully adjust. People who are long-time (for several years or more) vegetarians and vegans often don't consume transitional foods or only rarely. Once the taste buds really adjust to the new diet, these transitional foods and simulation products don't appeal quite the same way they did before.

5. Processed foods (vegan or not) are a money maker for the food industry. A small amount of labor can turn into a large amount of profit.

6. Just as with non-vegans, there are plenty of people who don't or won't cook or like the odd help from the grocery store. Convenience food finds its way into every diet (especially if you have kids).

7. Vegans get cravings, too. The same way people trying to eat any other diet do. Cheese/milk seems to be most common (although I and many others don't miss it at all). It may be due to the opioid effect of the casomorphins, which we may have found soothing as babies and probably still do today.

Dorian Gray (7,648 posts)

221. Nut cheese

is the reason I can't do Raw Vegan. It's too prolific, and I find the texture and taste disturbing.

I love some Vegan restaurants in NYC. But the raw part just hasn't been my forte.

*giggles*

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

7. Interesting how that word salad contains no reference to enjoying food.
 
I'd venture that a good 95% of people want to enjoy what they eat. I'd also suppose that 99.9999% of people aren't looking to make lunch a political statement. So you must be the .0001%.

 I will go ahead and call bullshit on "food is politics." No, it isn't. Food is what people eat to survive. Your attitude is politics.

 I'm sure this outs me as a shill of the fascistcorporatepharmablahblahblahwhatever. I just like to enjoy what I'm eating and why I'm eating it.

livingwagenow (269 posts)

11. If food isn't political why are food giants spending huge amounts..
 
opposing GMO labeling or spending huge amounts opposing GMO bans?

Food is as political as any other hot-button issue.

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

13. That's economics, not politics.
 
 Enjoy whatever you're calling food.

noamnety (18,774 posts)

227. "Food is politics." Yes, it is.

I buy meat when it's on sale and enjoy it, but I can acknowledge that food is politics, as much as "family values" or health care or paying a living wage is politics.

Politics is all about finding a balance between how one groups desires, greed or rights affect another groups rights, and how our policies support one group or another in that balance, whether it's through boycotts at the citizen level, or laws at the government level.

Any time there's that tradeoff in rights, one end of the spectrum is the libertarian one - where any one individual's desires should be met, regardless of the impact on others. And the opposite end of the spectrum is regulation to ensure the rights and health of others aren't harmed. I eat meat, I drive a car, I use gas and electric instead of solar. Sometimes my showers are too long. I'm not claiming I'm a saint. But I'd be in a serious state of denial if I couldn't at least admit they have a negative impact on the environment, and thus on communities and people in other areas, either now or in the future.

Taketh not thy lingering shower as thine fathers did when they dwelt amongst the Canaanites. -- Douchebaggey 3:16

Nuclear Unicorn (9,141 posts)

305. Is word salad vegan? I hear it comes from animals. n/t

NuclearDem (4,465 posts)

12. AutoVeganRec.

That's one of the seven arguments I use to convince people to go vegan (or at least vegetarian).

1. Your diet is killing you.
2. How would you react if your pets were forced into the kind of conditions factory farm animals have to deal with?
3. Factory farming and meat production does more to contribute to climate change than all the cars on the planet.
4. Factory farms mistreat their workers and don't pay a living wage.
5. 99% of what you eat right now can be replaced with a vegan substitute.
6. Don't be Big Ag's chump.
7. You'll feel a lot better.

Thanks for the thread. We can use all the vegan advocacy we can get

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

17. And that, friends, is why there aren't all that many vegans.
 
 Haughtiness and shaming doesn't even work with dogs.

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

54. Every vegan I'm aware of IRL is a sanctimonious asshole.

 But there's some sample selection there: they've made me aware through lectures and shaming and through ruining get togethers by demanding to know not only if there is no animal product in whatever is served, but whether the vegetables were serenaded with arias from Carmen while they were gently pulled from the ground by Maya Angelou.

 Not all assholes are vegans, and not all vegans are assholes. But...

Zorra (20,788 posts)

31. I guess that depends on a person's development of conscience and ability to empathize.
 
It certainly wouldn't work with a sociopath.

Elizabeth: "Hey, do you think killing all those Iraqi babies is really a good idea?

George: "Stop shaming me, you haughty witch!"

This is telling:

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HappyMe (15,323 posts)

113. Good grief!
 
Your post kind of confirms my theory about raw vegans being crabby.

And yeah, to each his own. I'm not forcing my way of eating on you, don't force your's on me. Easy enough concept to grasp.

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

63. You should read "A Lesbian Appetite" by Dorothy Allison. nt

For when you have the carpet munchies.

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

68. It's a story about comfort foods. Southern comfort foods.
 
And I say that at the risk of disapproval from the superior folk of the North.

Tacos with clam strips served with a buttery muffin.   M-m-m-m-m-m

Codeine (12,842 posts)

16. Please understand that not all vegans
 
are as sanctimonious and woo-oriented as the OP. Some of us just really like animals and don't want to eat them.

EOTE (12,789 posts)

27. I'm not seeing any woo there.
 
I'm an omnivore, but I know that my diet is unhealthy and I appreciate vegans/vegetarians for picking up slack and compensating for the difficulty I have in changing my diet. I believe the world would, overall, be a much better place if a sizable chunk of the population switched to a vegetarian diet. I also think that the current American diet is incredibly unhealthy and that can be seen by our average life span pretty much being maintained while new science and technology should be keeping us alive much longer. Whatever disagreements you have with the OP, I really can't see any 'woo' there to speak of.

****ing *****.


BTW -- MOST OF THE WORLD IS GRATEFUL TO EAT ANYTHING IT CAN LAY IT'S HANDS ON. VEGANS ONLY EXIST BECAUSE A CAPITALIST, CORPOATE SOCIETY HAS CREATED ENOUGH FOOD AND FREE TIME FOR A BUNCH OF UPTIGHT SNOBBISH HIPSTERS TO PURSUE THEIR VANITY MORE THAN THEIR NEXT MEAL.


Thank-you.

But you can't shut Ol' McDonaldup (E-I-E-I-O. Get it?) for nothing

EOTE (12,789 posts)

81. At what point is something unnatural?
 
Have you seen what a wild banana looks like? Nothing like the type you're used to seeing in the grocery store. They have very thick, fibrous skins that are very difficult to peel. They have massive seeds which you can't consume without issue like the type in the stores. They have far less sweet and far firmer flesh. The modern banana is nothing like the bananas of the wild. Is it suitable to call them 'natural'? Not in my mind. That's not to say that 'natural' is synonymous with 'good' or the converse (I'd certainly rather eat a grocery store banana). As of 2010, scientists have actually created life from raw materials. These cells could continue to live without the assistance of the scientists given the right conditions, would it be appropriate to call these cells natural? Again, it says nothing about the inherent virtues of a plant or animal to call it natural, but at some point, things do become unnatural.

trotsky (33,803 posts)

108. Eyeglasses are unnatural.
 
Tooth care is unnatural. Dental work is especially unnatural. If a tooth has a problem, you should just let it decay and fall out - naturally!

Taking any kind of medication for a fever - even if you're chewing on "natural" willow bark - is unnatural.

It's unnatural to take medical steps to save the lives of preemies.

While you say you're not equating "natural" with "good," you do seem to be making some really interesting judgments on the validity of things you deem "unnatural." Makes me a little nervous.

REP (19,050 posts)

200. “Animals are my friends...and I don't eat my friends.” - George Bernard Shaw
 
Who, if he were alive today, I believe would be vegan.

If you haven't read any of his writings on ethical vegetarianism and like that sort of thing, you might enjoy them

Hitler was also a vegetarian, and oh, whaddaya know:

Eugenics[edit]

Shaw delivered speeches on the theory of eugenics and he became a noted figure in the movement in England.[79]

Shaw's play Man and Superman (1903) has been said to be "invested with eugenic doctrines" and "an ironic reworking" of Nietzsche's concept of Ãœbermensch.[79][80] The main character in the play, John Tanner, is the author of "The Revolutionist's Handbook and Pocket Companion", which Shaw published along with his play. The Revolutionist's Handbook includes chapters on "Good Breeding" and "Property and Marriage". In the "Property and Marriage" section Tanner writes:


To cut humanity up into small cliques, and effectively limit the selection of the individual to his own clique, is to postpone the Superman for eons, if not for ever. Not only should every person be nourished and trained as a possible parent, but there should be no possibility of such an obstacle to natural selection as the objection of a countess to a navvy or of a duke to a charwoman. Equality is essential to good breeding; and equality, as all economists know, is incompatible with property.

In this Shaw was managing to synthesize eugenics with socialism, his best-loved political doctrine. This was a popular concept at the time.[81]

Shaw in 1905

When, in 1910, Shaw wrote that natural attraction rather than wealth or social class should govern selection of marriage partners, the concept of eugenics did not have the negative connotations it later acquired after having been adopted by the Nazis of Germany.[82] Shaw sometimes treated the topic in a light-hearted way, pointing out that if eugenics had been thought about some generations previously, he himself may not have been born, so depriving humanity of his great contributions.[83] He seems to have maintained his opinion throughout his life.[82]

As with many of the topics that Shaw addressed, but particularly so in his examination of the "social purity" movement, he used irony, misdirection and satire to make his point.[74][84][85] At a meeting of the Eugenics Education Society of 3 March 1910 he suggested the need to use a "lethal chamber" to solve their problem. Shaw said: "We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment ..." Shaw also called for the development of a "deadly" but "humane" gas for the purpose of killing, many at a time, those unfit to live.[86]

In a newsreel interview released on 5 March 1931, dealing with alternatives to the imprisonment of criminals, Shaw says


You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you're not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can't be of very much use to yourself.[87][88]

Shaw, however, often used satiric irony in order to mock those who took eugenics to inhumane extremes and commentators have sometimes failed to take this into account.[79][89] Some noticed that this was an example of Shaw satirically employing the reductio ad absurdum argument against the eugenicists' wilder aspirations: The Globe and The Evening News recognised it as a skit on the dreams of the eugenicists, though many others in the press took his words out of their satirical context. Dan Stone of Liverpool University writes: "Either the press believed Shaw to be serious, and vilified him, or recognised the tongue-in-cheek nature of his lecture".[89][90]

Silent3 (7,144 posts)

28. If turning your diet into a giant "**** YOU" is a big priority in your life...
 
...you might need a little more fiber.

heh



Post #35 is worth checking out.

Many pics I don't feel like copying.


Then there's this:

SidDithers (29,530 posts)

37. Mitchell and Webb...

[youtube=425,350]63NNuG-6-hQ[/youtube]

Spider Jerusalem (15,856 posts)

45. ...

"organic heirloom raw vegan"? Congratulations on your lifestyle choice, I'm glad you're happy about it, but I don't think you realise that this is not really a feasible option for most people. If it is an option for you that means you can afford it ("organic" etc etc is usually more expensive, frequently significantly so); live in an area where it's available (due to demand that's usually going to be an urban area, and more frequently the West Coast and Northeast); food isn't just a political issue, it's also socioeconomics and geography.

You can get parasites and nasty illnesses from improperly washed vegetables; if you're cooking meat properly? You won't get parasites.

MRSA exists because of overuse and overprescription of antibiotics in general, not because of cattle being given antibiotics. That's an American problem anyway; use of antibiotics in cattle feed is banned in Europe, most beef cattle are grass-fed, not grain-fed (and the meat is better for it, in my opinion).

Humans are omnivores, not herbivores. We can't digest cellulose. We learnt to cook in part to break down indigestible cellulose and other indigestible compounds in foods; cooking is one of the things that led to the human species as we know it (by enabling relatively evolutionarily rapid brain growth through being able to eat a more varied diet).

You also seem to be pretty ignorant of how people actually eat in your diatribes about "meat-based diets"; as an omnivore I get my magnesium, potassium and folate from vegetables (greens, potatoes, etc), milk and corn flakes, among other things.

And, "big pharma"? What does "big pharma" have to do exactly with food and diet? Last I checked GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, et al were entirely different entities to Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto, and so on. I think you have your insane conspiracy theories badly confused.

KurtNYC (12,857 posts)

47. We have been eating GMO for 20 years -- where is the damage?
 


Have you ever farmed? I'm going to guess "no" because you didn't mention the effects of pesticides and herbicides ON FARM WORKERS, only on you.

There is a lot about farming and nutrition that gets ignored when we treat our diets as religion.

lumberjack_jeff (25,684 posts)

48. If you cook your food, Monsanto wins.

SidDithers (29,530 posts)

96. Organic foods cause Autism...
 
It's true. I saw it on the internet.  

heh

zappaman (10,194 posts)

149. Yeah, right...I suppose you're gonna tell us wind power causes cancer too? n/t

dionysus (23,199 posts)

176. you won't be laughing when a broken turbine blade flies 10 miles through 9 feet of hail and
 
cuts you in half!

Warren DeMontague (49,497 posts)

187. It's clearly there in the data!

Dreamer Tatum (7,956 posts)

180. I once saw a post here, long ago, claiming vegans' feces smells better than non-vegan.
 
 Absolute truth.

JoeyT (5,337 posts)

220. It's probably our silica deficiencies.
 
Eat sand, poop flowers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023877742

[AprilRazz]

Got a buddy who does a bit of organic farming. Wonder if the self righteous vegans know how they keep critters out of the crops?
Filled my freezer with venison last year helping him out.

[diesel driver]

A couple of things:

1.  Some plants produce their own "pesticides" to ward off predators.  Just because something is "organic" doesn't mean it's pesticide free.  Fact is, DUmmie loosingwagenow would consume more chemicals in a cup of Starbucks Double Mocha Soy Latte than anything it'd eat from the produce isle at Walmart.

2.  In the chart that said "Global Warming causes more pirates.
Changing "pirates" to "DUmmies" would make it truer.

[JohnnyReb]

I guess I have some organic squash....well, I did absolutely nothing to grow them. I mowed my garden spot, then plowed in some rich black dirt that I cleaned from some shallow drainage ditches that stop up from decaying leaves, grass clippings and pecans. There was one large squash left on a plant that did not produce much of anything in the cool damp summer we had. The seeds in that got scattered around I guess. Now I have the biggest, prettiest, darkest green foliage on a squash  plants you've ever seen. No fertilizer, no poisons, no bugs, no water, no plowing, no hoeing, I've done absolutely nothing for the plants but pick excellent squash.....and they go well with meat, cheese, milk, eggs, etc....does that mean I'll die at 99 instead of a 100?

[Big Dog]

"Carnist"?

Bitch, I am a Meat Eater. Capitalize those words when you use them.

I eat the lightly burnt flesh of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, molluscs, and most any other living creature- and I do it with a smile.

My supper shits on your supper. Bacon is a food group.

[BattleHymn]

Well, they say you are what you eat, and the things I eat are mostly vegetarian. 

That makes me a vegetarian, too. 

[JohnnyReb]

Well, they say you are what you eat, and the things I eat are mostly vegetarian. 

That makes me a vegetarian, too. 

Yeah....steak: the other vegetarian food.

[Mr Mannn]

I'm a Meatarian. I prefer that an animal dies for my every meal.

Milk and eggs are good too as they come from enslaved animals who live only so long as they produce for me--then they die for my meals too.

Bacon is the candy of meats. I prefer mine stripped slice by slice from still screaming pigs.

[Dori]

A couple of things:

1.  Some plants produce their own "pesticides" to ward off predators.  Just because something is "organic" doesn't mean it's pesticide free.  Fact is, DUmmie loosingwagenow would consume more chemicals in a cup of Starbucks Double Mocha Soy Latte than anything it'd eat from the produce isle at Walmart.

My knowledge of plants is that most of them are poisonous. Just like the fruits and vegetable plants we eat, most of their leaves, stems, roots and seeds are poisonous. 

I look at it this way.  We are part of the animal family, omnivores. Omnivores have a single chamber stomach. Not like elk, deer, cattle that have two chambers for digesting plants.  I don't think we are made to digest grasses and their seeds like corn, wheat, etc. 

What do other omnivores eat in nature guided only by their animal instincts? Fish, other animals like the grass fed ones, vegetables and fruits (anything with a seed or pit inside of it is a fruit).

Humans for millions of years were hunter-gatherers. 

 




 





   













 


 

[JohnnyReb]

Humans for millions of years were hunter-gatherers. 

Then humans devolved into producers-takers.....so guess there is evolution.

[Skul]

Needs salt.   

[Zathras]

If we were not meant to eat meat it would not be so delicious when cooked.

[freedumb2003b]

"Carnist"?

Bitch, I am a Meat Eater. Capitalize those words when you use them.

I eat the lightly burnt flesh of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, molluscs, and most any other living creature- and I do it with a smile.

My supper shits on your supper. Bacon is a food group.

For
Unlawful
Carnist
Knowledge

....

We Omnivores eat vegans for breakfast...

[98ZJUSMC]

Food is as political as any other hot-button issue.

Since your end desire is the control that you project on others, sure....to you, food is political.  I could almost get along with this DreamerTatum dude.

Carnist

WTF?  Heh.....when you absolutely, positively have to make something up to push your faulty crap on everyone else?

There ya' go.....

If we were not meant to eat meat it would not be so delicious when cooked.

.....and on the seventh day:

[Chris_]

Only at DU do you get someone who is HIV-positive lecturing others on personal choices.

[BattleHymn]

Milk and eggs are good too as they come from enslaved animals who live only so long as they produce for me--then they die for my meals too.

Somebody should break it to the primitives that cows, pigs, and many other things aren't bred for their personality and good looks. 

[freedumb2003b]

Somebody should break it to the primitives that cows, pigs, and many other things aren't bred for their personality and good looks. 

They are liberals.  They already know that since they live it.

[Dori]

If we were not meant to eat meat it would not be so delicious when cooked.

Can you imagine what a forest smells like after a fire?  Must be like a buffet.  A variety of roasted meats all laying around giving off great smelling aromas. 

[BattleHymn]

Can you imagine what a forest smells like after a fire?  Must be like a buffet.  A variety of roasted meats all laying around giving off great smelling aromas. 

That all depends on if a hippie commune went up in flames.  There are some stenches even fire cannot kill.

[txradioguy]

Can you imagine what a forest smells like after a fire?  Must be like a buffet.  A variety of roasted meats all laying around giving off great smelling aromas. 

Burnt meat inside burnt flesh isn't as attractive of a smell as you might think.

[Skul]

That all depends on if a hippie commune went up in flames.  There are some stenches even fire cannot kill.

A torching of the slit trench. Uffda.
Some stinks are best unsmelt.  

[Big Dog]

.....and on the seventh day:

 

[GOBUCKS]

Only at DU do you get someone who is HIV-positive lecturing others on personal choices.

Right! You have to have the patience to wade through that endless, goofy diatribe to notice:

I've cured my pre-diabetes and high blood pressure and restored my health and vitality. I am also HIV positive and living very healthy.

My bet is this DUmmy doesn't abstain from ALL kinds of meat.

[freedumb2003b]

Right! You have to have the patience to wade through that endless, goofy diatribe to notice:

My bet is this DUmmy doesn't abstain from ALL kinds of meat.

Waiter. One cup of brain bleach to go please...

[Big Dog]

My bet is this DUmmy doesn't abstain from ALL kinds of meat.

Sometimes they're the rump roast, sometimes they're the marinade.