Cali (and majority of DUmmies) Infuriated Over Child Abuse

[Revolution]

Or lack thereof...

cali (87,995 posts)

Spanking Child With Wooden Spoon Not Child Abuse, Says State Court
 
Last edited Sat Oct 12, 2013, 01:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

A California state court ruled on Tuesday that a woman who spanked her daughter with a wooden spoon did not commit child abuse.

According to court documents, Veronica Gonzalez was labeled a child abuser by the Santa Clara County Department of Social Services after striking her 12-year-old daughter with a wooden spoon with enough force to leave visible bruises. However, the Sixth District Court of Appeal in San Jose overturned the ruling, writing, “we cannot say that the use of a wooden spoon to administer a spanking necessarily exceeds the bounds of reasonable parental discipline.”

Fox News reported the court said the spanking came close to abuse, but the Department of Social Services did not originally consider all of the circumstances, such as whether Gonzalez meant to inflict bruises.

According to court documents, Gonzalez and her husband were “gravely concerned about their daughter’s declining academic performance and alarming social tendencies.” The parents alleged that they found pictures and text messages with references to gang culture on her cell phone, and had “many discussions” about her behavioral changes.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/11/spanking-child-abuse_n_4086265.html

edited to add pnwmom's post in this thread:

The social worker responded properly. The fact that there were significant bruises supports the girl's initial story to the social worker, not the one she later changed to -- no doubt out of fear of and for her parents.

These abusive spankings were carried out by both parents at different times, but the mother is the one alleged to have used a spoon.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/H038241.PDF

stated that her butt is very sore today and her friends asked what was wrong and she talked to them what happen , even though her parents told her to never tell anyone about the spanking. started to cry and said she was scared of causing more trouble for herself.” According to the social worker, Daughter attributed statements to Mother that “she needs to smack her with a spoon so it will hurt more.” Daughter also supposedly reported that when receiving the spanking, “she had to remove her clothes and bend over the bed.”5 Daughter reportedly “stated she is scared of and knows she needs to be good to avoid getting a smack, but sometimes she has a hard time.” The social worker also reported that Daughter “asked if she could stay her paternal grandmother tonight because she was scared to go home,” and that Daughter “ha thought about staying with her paternal grandmother because she seems to get along better with her and things are not so scary.”6  

Wailing & Gnashing of teeth One Click Away!

"These abusive spankings" 99^ of the DUmbshits posting on this forum could've USED some "abuse when they were younger. Maybe then they wouldn't be over emotional, entitlement minded, spoiled, vicious, gruesome bastards.

Niceguy1 (1,081 posts)

1. good.

Have a wooden spoon used for 30 gallon pots that I keep on the wall as a reminder for troublesome daughters lol

That'll stir the pot.

HERVEPA (2,793 posts)

10. Unfunny. It clearly is abuse. And corporal punishment doesn't work of course.

Just helps perpetuate a culture of violence.  

Why don't you hand them a page out of the Dem playbook and teach kids to pee on parents that spank them...

Niceguy1 (1,081 posts)

11. a simple wooden
 
Spoon isn't abuse and it or the belt works....I know from experience.  

Star Member cali (87,995 posts)

15. yes, because your experience is the be all and end all.
 
Wrong.
 

Niceguy1 (1,081 posts)

19. everybody
 
Has different methods tonraise their children.


Your experience and veiw point isn't the be all end all, either.  

cali (87,995 posts)

21. no, it's not, but the vast majority of experts in the field
 
agree with me.  

Obviously, the bitter old Vermontese bitch DOES in fact think she is the be all, and end all. Otherwise, it would be the other way round.

Niceguy1 (1,081 posts)

23. doesn't mean they
 
Are right....

Star Member cali (87,995 posts)

24. yes, yes. the parents who hit their children are the ones that know best
 
just like the climate change denier morons know more than the scientists.

You happen to hear that scientists are (in droves) suing Al Gore for the bogus bullshit known as "Glowball Warming?" Didn't think so.

Niceguy1 (1,081 posts)

26. I have taken the cd classes

Many of the experts think most parents aren't capable of knowing what is best foe their children..................

There are many diverse stageies to rearing children...

This right here is where NiceGuy loses me.

trumad (35,750 posts)

28. Let me get this straight---
 




you're a dude--- a ****ing guy--- and you hit your daughters with a wooden spoon?

Unbelievable. Big tough guy roughing up his little girls.

GFYS, squirt.

Ranchemp. (155 posts)

68. My wife and I used a wooden spoon on our kids when they fouled up

and every one of them grew up and became productive citizens to society.
There's nothing wrong with corporal punishment as long as it's used judiciously and carefully.

Must be Republicans then.

trumad (35,750 posts)

93. wow

You ever think they might have grown up and be just wonderful if you never hit them?

Mine did.

How did it feel to hit a little defenseless kid?

You don't know it trumad, but the rest of society hates your freaking kids.

Ranchemp. (155 posts)

96. Differences of opinions are what makes this place great.
 
Your opinion is different than mine, so be it, doesn't make your view any better than mine.

Star Member trumad (35,750 posts)

99. my opinion is that you are a ****ing coward
 
For hitting a defensless kid.

Why dont you hit a coworker who did something wrong?

Oh..is it because he or she might beat the shit out of you.

You strike a defenseless kid or an animal you're a coward.

Ranchemp. (155 posts)

101. Once again, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

 

Star Member trumad (35,750 posts)

104. you're god damn right its my opinion.
 
****inv hitting a little kid and you're bragging about it

                                                                       

 

Ranchemp. (155 posts)

107. Ain't this place grand,
 
we can have differences of opinions, my opinion is that I can do so without the insults and name calling while others can't.

   

stevenleser (15,780 posts)

111. I was juror #6
 




Mail Message
At Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:14 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

my opinion is that you are a ****ing coward
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3835101

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

OTT, calling a member a ****ing coward.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:17 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Hitting a child is wrong, no matter the case. This post could have
said the same without the rhetoric attack. I want to be clear this
hide is not about my disagreement with the main point trumad
is making. No one should hit a child.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Kick the ****ing child abusing troll's ass Trumad.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm with Trumad on this - leave the post.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There are very limited exceptions to hiding personal attacks in my criteria. Usually personal attacks are a guaranteed hide for me. But if you beat kids or try to justify beating kids, I'm going to tend to not hide personal attacks against you.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Star Member trumad (35,750 posts)

115. snarf
 
You **** with children even hardcore prisoners will **** your shit up.

Usually a jury would crush me...because...well I'm trumad.

Not this one.  

No, that's if you commit a sex offense against, or kill a child. I'm sure many have beaten their children as punishment. And not even beaten. Spanked, swatted, or used the belt. You DUmmies are a bunch of pansies.

Star Member arely staircase (7,701 posts)

179. Bad call, steven IMHO
 
I don't agree with corporal punishment, but the fact is being in favor of it is not that out of the mainstream. It is legal practiced in the elementary school where I teach. I don't agree with it. I have told my principal as much, but I did it without calling her or the school board or the kids' parents (without whom it may not be applied) "****ing cowards." I usually agree with you SL, and I agree with you on the issue of corporal punishment but allowing trumad's (and I like trumad) post to stand was a bad call. IMHO  

Comrade Grumpy (5,310 posts)

189. This is why the jury system is so useless here.
 
This was a post that was over the top abusive and insulting, but it was not blocked because the jurors agreed with the general point of the poster. Juror #2 had it right, jurors #3, #4, and #6 need a lesson in DU civics.

And the hive mentality is realized.

pnwmom (47,458 posts)

155. Children of the age of puberty are much too old.

Spanking a person that age is a form of sexual abuse.

Um.... :wtf: Only if YOU the parent are into that kind of thing, you sick freak. There is an age limit though.

[Big Dog]

DU's official position on wooden spoons:

Spanking your child with a wooden spoon = child abuse = bad.

Prancing around in a set of pink pony ears with a wooden spoon sticking out of your ass = alternative lifestyle = good.

[jtyangel]

Considering their concerns my guess is they dished out corporal punishment on this child so a jail someday(and its inhabitants who are far less forgiving) won't have to.

Trust me the parents are far more forgiving with their wooden spoon then a fellow gang member will be if she practices her defiance there. They see that situation obviously as life and death warranting corporal punishment; I happen to agree with them. This isn't breaking curfew or having friends over when you are out; she's leaning towards GANG activity and all that entails. And it WAS effective since it sounds like the daughter was more scared of her folks in the end then the gang so you take what you can get until she gets her head on straight again. If a little fear keeps her gangbanging ass inside until she matures, then break out the spoon. If i had to choose spanking a teenager over her eventually DYING at the hands of gang lowlife users, I know what I would choose. Good for the parents for choosing their daughter's life and future over impressing liberal hand-wringers.

[jukin]

Spare the spoon, spoil the child.

[Mike220]

All I have to do is look at how my sister and I turned out to know the DUmmys are ****ing morons when it comes to corporal punishment.

[USA4ME]

The primitives (and liberals in general) are constantly taking what people say and twisting it to something they didn't, especially when they want to ban someone. It places the poster in a position of having to defend something they never said and distracts from the original subject matter. The trulymad primitive and the steven the lesser have done it on the thread (spanking isn't beating), but they're both mental midgets and have no choice if they want to try and score points. But it showcases their weakness of what little mind they do have when they resort to those methods.

But it's all about defending their turf at Skin's island, and that is all they have going for them in their miserable lives.

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[GOBUCKS]

And how many of these "spare the rod" DUmp parents post about their kids in jail?

Didn't Eva have one?

These DUmbasses are the same ones who say no useful information comes from roughing up muzzie savages.

[MrsSmith]

I think I actually swatted one or two of my kids with a wooden spoon, but generally all I had to do was open the drawer. 

I know how well it works because my Mom did it...though now that I think about it, I'm not sure she ever actually swatted me with one, either.  She at least swatted my brothers once...  Once kids know a threat is not idle, the threat is usually all you need.   Neither of my parents were much into hitting us, but when we really deserved it, we got it.   

I have absolutely no doubt that it worked much better than a time out.   

[Celtic Rose]

A bruise should not be the delineation for abuse/not abuse.  Some people bruise more easily than other.  My dad wouldn't spank me when I was little because I bruised easily and he was afraid that he would leave a mark.  My mom didn't have a problem spanking me when necessary.

This girl was edging towards joining a gang.  DUmmies, do you know how girls are usually initiated into gangs?  They have to have sex with all the other members.  Do you think a spanking with a spoon is worse than that option?  This wasn't a mother getting tired of a girl not making her bed, this was a mother who is worried about the life of her daughter.  

[Chris_]

I lost count of the number of wooden spoons my mom has used (and had to replace) in her life.

At least we didn't wind up being DUmmies.

[Freeper]

I lost count of the number of wooden spoons my mom has used (and had to replace) in her life.

At least we didn't wind up being DUmmies.

I rarely got spanked, not because my folks were moonbats, but it didn't work on me. They had to make me stand in the corner to get my attention. A spanking didn't get my attention because it quit hurting after a minute. A few minutes in the corner drove me nuts. Each child is different but we live in an age where discipline is not high on a lot of people's priority lists. Because of that we have plenty of moonbats today.

[Chris_]

We got spanked pretty regular.  Mostly because my parents made my brother and I share a bedroom directly above theirs, so we messed around when we were supposed to be sleeping, my mom and dad got to listen to a bunch of thumping, banging, and giggling until they got tired of it and decided we needed to calm down.  My sister got it occasionally too since her bedroom was down the hall and she egged us on. 

Slippers, belts, shoes, spoons, open hands.  Anything that was available.  It sucked at the time, but looking back it wasn't as bad as we let on.  Looking back, it makes me laugh.

[seahorse513]

When My sister and I misbehaved, we got what we deserved. I think we turned out okay...

[ChuckJ]

Let me make sure that I understand the DUmmie point of view.

Spanking a child = child abuse.

Ripping a child to pieces inside the womb = YEA!!!!!!

****ing idiots.

[Chris_]

Let me make sure that I understand the DUmmie point of view.

Spanking a child = child abuse.

Ripping a child to pieces inside the womb = YEA!!!!!!

****ing idiots.

"Pro choice! Our choice!"

They are obviously sick and deluded.

[Gina]

I rarely got spanked, not because my folks were moonbats, but it didn't work on me. They had to make me stand in the corner to get my attention. A spanking didn't get my attention because it quit hurting after a minute. A few minutes in the corner drove me nuts. Each child is different but we live in an age where discipline is not high on a lot of people's priority lists. Because of that we have plenty of moonbats today.

I got two belts in my life but the worst and most effective punishment was my dad making me rake the front yard.  It was 4 acres.  HORRIFIC!   

[ExGeeEye]

Um.... :wtf: Only if YOU the parent are into that kind of thing, you sick freak. There is an age limit though.

My mom quit hitting me when I quit crying.  If fact that last time, when she was done, I looked at her without tears in my eyes.  I think maybe it wasn't as much fun after that.

I don't even remember what it was I supposedly did to provoke her to it.  I do suspect, however, that the only lesson I learned was not to do it when she was watching.

My dad quit hitting me a couple years earlier.