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At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« on: October 04, 2013, 10:21:17 AM »
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At what point am I allowed to say healthcare.gov is a freaking nightmare
  
Yeah, there have been lots of "hits" but that is because millions of us are beating our heads against the wall trying to even get logged into the system. How many people are actually getting far enough to do anything useful? Not very many.

I've tried to log on at least 50 times this week, at all hours of the day and night. Even at 2AM, the system says there are too many people on. After 24 hours of trying I finally got an account created. But I cannot log into it. It won't say why. I did all the measures suggested in "having trouble logging on". I tried to call the help number that was listed. I couldn't get through on that line for 2 days. Finally I did get through, but they don't offer any assistance whatsoever in logging on. They say chat support is available, but you can never get through to an agent that way.

I tried both the "forgot my password" and "forgot my username" links on the off chance that somehow something had gotten garbled. The "forgot my password" did send an email for password recovery. Obviously nobody ever even tested that function because the email wasn't even properly formatted for a link back. But I extracted the link and tried to go directly to the site. That link didn't work at all -- giving me an obscure error message. The "Forgot my userid" link said it sent an email, but it never did.

So I figured maybe I was just unlucky with that account. I created another account using a different email address on a completely different email system. Again, it took about 10 hours to finally get that created because the system was down most of that time. And I got exactly the same results. So I cannot log into the site to see the available plans.

OK, I called the help line again. At 1AM yesterday, I finally got somebody. He couldn't help me with my account, but he offered to enter the information online and read the screen back to me. He acted as if this is what he does all day long. What a painful process. I had to re-dictate every item about 4 times until he typed it in correctly -- didn't even know how to spell "Indiana." I was on the phone 40-50 minutes before I got the most basic information. He was able to tell me that Bronze policies for one person with no subsidies would range from $541-641 and gold would range from $846-956 -- that's more than I pay now. But I need a policy for two, and I might qualify for subsidy. I need to play with the numbers a little to see that, and I wasn't willing to stay on the phone another 2 hours with this guy. He never got to the point of looking at specific policies, and I wasn't going to have him read me the details over the phone. He had no ability to send any information to me via fax, PDF, or any other means.

What kind of nonsense is this? I am a supporter. What do you think those who are NOT supporters are thinking about this damned mess of a system?

So please tell me when it is permissible for a person to speak the truth about this screwed-up system? Am I expected to remain a blind cheerleader for another week? Another month? Indefinitely?

This system is so bad that it may accomplish what the Republicans and Faux "news" haven't been able to accomplish in three years.

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B2G (1,883 posts)

28. This is not going to be sorted out in a week
 
Any IT person will tell you it takes 10 times longer to fix bugs in a Production environment than a test environment.

I simply cannot believe they rushed this mess into Production.

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BlueToTheBone (3,120 posts)

4. Indiana? Isn't that Kasich country?

I think that the willingness of each state to implement is the reason some people are having a swimming time and other are drowning.

Kasich snuck in a ****ed with your load balancing.

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phleshdef (8,805 posts)

79. No, Kasich is Ohio.

Yeah, but he snuck into to Indiana.

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lonestarnot (71,434 posts)

8. Wah wah wah. You got what you needed no?

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BlueStreak (5,055 posts)

40. Can you read? No. I didn't get what I wanted. Not even close.

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lonestarnot (71,434 posts)

50. So try later. Others are getting what they need. Why are you the exception. And yes I can read.

Whining doesn't excite me.

Somebody needs to bust this ****er in the cock socket.

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47. No, and just about all the rest of us trying didn't either
 
And if you can possibly broaden your perspective to think of a single mother with two kids and a job trying to stay awake at 2 AM to try to get through the system, perhaps you can understand why many are worried and upset. It's one thing if we just couldn't finalize until December - but we can't even get info about plans and pricing.

I expect this weekend will be a madhouse as all the working people try again.

Small business people have been waiting for this to see their options, and I suspect many of them are just grimly sitting on the website all day, trying to get through.

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lonestarnot (71,434 posts)

58. I don't need a lesson from you on broadening perspectives. Beginnings of things this large are

frustrating. You will get there if you remain persistent, frustrated, but persistent. I raised a kid on my own at the same time sandwiched with terminally ill parent and fighting pugs and trying to maintain full-time employment. No one said it was easy.

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grantcart (39,733 posts)

14. I had a similar experience in the begining.

They should restrict the people that can log on by last name by day: A-C on day one and so on. [    :thatsright:  --SGT SB]

I did find that the call time dropped from 45 minutes to nothing (but once I got the operator they couldn't use their system much either).

That tells me that they could ramp up the call center volume but that the internet traffic is exponentially greater.

When you do get on line you will be asked if you want to check to see if you qualify for a subsidy, be sure to click that button.

It says you might be required to input a lot of data, but I didn't input any and my subsidy came up in a second.

I was stunned.

I certainly understand your frustration.

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liberal_at_heart (5,952 posts)

16. from what I've seen of the responses you're not allowed to say it's a nightmare.

Unless you only have glowing admiration you get pounced on. Personally, I'm waiting a while and then I'm contacting my insurance broker. She has always helped guide me through whatever insurance application I have to go through. It's a big help.

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joeglow3 (3,582 posts)

25. I have to decide on my insurance at work by Oct. 15th

Thus, all those other dates are rendered meaningless.

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36. Your employer is giving you a choice between their plan and the ACA? nt

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73. No, my husband is considering dropping to part-time to get me kicked off his policy because

I have a history of cancer. He put me on his policy so I'd have continuous coverage after I was kicked off of breast/cervical cancer Medicaid. My husband's employer based coverage has a $5,500 deductible and $10,000 annual max. We can't afford that on Walmart wages. I haven't seen my oncologist for follow-up monitoring for over a year. The only way I can get a policy I can afford to use is with subsidies. If I'm no longer eligible to be insured by my husband's employer because of his part-time status, I'll become eligible for subsidies. Unless Walmart comes up with much better policies this year, this is probably what my husband will do. But he still wanted time to compare before making a final decision.

Dropped by Medicaid.
Insurance premiums skyrocket.
Have to cut worker productivity to get on the government dole.

It's everything we said it would be.

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30. I can't log on either.

I keep getting a message that says my id and password are incorrect. Until I read your post, I thought maybe the system somehow screwed up my account and I needed to create another one. If creating another account didn't work for you, it probably won't work for me either. I don't mind waiting my turn for the log in screen to appear. It's getting the error message after waiting all that time that upsets me. At least when waiting in a long line at a store, one eventually gets to the register. Four days later and the healthcare.gov website is still worse than Black Friday!

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69. Tinfoil hat...? I don't think so....
 
If the Koch bros and the rest of the organized fascists haven't hired goons to jam the websites, phone lines, and whatever, it would be the first time they've missed a chance to astroturf and monkey-wrench.

What else could it be?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023782676
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2013, 10:35:13 AM »
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28. This is not going to be sorted out in a week
 
I simply cannot believe they rushed this mess into Production.
If you think it's bad now, wait until you actually have to see a doctor.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »
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28. This is not going to be sorted out in a week
 
Any IT person will tell you it takes 10 times longer to fix bugs in a Production environment than a test environment.

I simply cannot believe they rushed this mess into Production.

Pelosi was correct in her assessment some time back: the bill must pass to see what's in it.

A week!  They've had several years to plan for staff, offices, and training to start the thing.

These DUmmies will go to their graves clutching their deductible statements and copay bills exclaiming "It's a good thing!"
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 11:03:07 AM »
That Lonestarnot DUmmie, I've always pictured as a woman bitch.  I know it's hard to tell with them.  But, she's pissing me off today.  Look at that--the dude has some major problems and she goes "wah wah wah you got what you needed no?"    What a ****ing bitch she is.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 11:05:39 AM »
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73. No, my husband is considering dropping to part-time to get me kicked off his policy because

I have a history of cancer. He put me on his policy so I'd have continuous coverage after I was kicked off of breast/cervical cancer Medicaid. My husband's employer based coverage has a $5,500 deductible and $10,000 annual max. We can't afford that on Walmart wages. I haven't seen my oncologist for follow-up monitoring for over a year. The only way I can get a policy I can afford to use is with subsidies. If I'm no longer eligible to be insured by my husband's employer because of his part-time status, I'll become eligible for subsidies. Unless Walmart comes up with much better policies this year, this is probably what my husband will do. But he still wanted time to compare before making a final decision.

It seems her husband is a whole lot smarter than MrsKirkley is (Which isn't saying all that much, given that she's on DU), since the insurance he has now already sounds better than the Obamacare Bronze Plan, and if he works for a large employer (I don't take the 'Wal-Mart wages' reference literally) the premiums are likely much lower with the employer plan to boot.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 11:21:04 AM »
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58. I don't need a lesson from you on broadening perspectives. Beginnings of things this large are

frustrating. You will get there if you remain persistent, frustrated, but persistent. I raised a kid on my own at the same time sandwiched with terminally ill parent and fighting pugs and trying to maintain full-time employment. No one said it was easy.

Is it just me, or would this DUmmy have been the perfect Soviet citizen in the 1930s?

Broaden your perspective; we just need to get rid of a few kulaks; of course a few starvations in the Ukraine are challenging...but nobody ever said this would be easy.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 11:21:29 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on October 04, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series

I vote for RIGHT NOW.  We should screen-cap all their misery to guard against the inevitable day Skinner flushes all ACA posts down the rabbit hole.  Actually, the better question might be, "When do we STOP saying "Told you so!"?

I have no idea how this will play out, but I have renewed hope, now that the reality of this debacle is slapping them right across their faces, that this will be the undoing of this Administration.  This will turn out to be such a cluster-**** of a burden on every single person who has an inkling to vote that the next election SURELY can't go to the 'rats.  How Obama's legacy will play out is another matter entirely.  I suspect he will be remembered as having launched a disaster, but with the "best of intentions".
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 11:31:36 AM »
Does Obama know of this?
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 11:35:50 AM »
Quote from: dane on October 04, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Pelosi was correct in her assessment some time back: the bill must pass to see what's in it.

A week!  They've had several years to plan for staff, offices, and training to start the thing.

These DUmmies will go to their graves clutching their deductible statements and copay bills exclaiming "It's a good thing!"

Keep in mind also that creating and maintaining the website is the easy part of this train wreck.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 11:38:42 AM »
So maybe the Dems will come back to the table, cry uncle and discuss putting this nightmare off until next year?

Either way, this is like an election gift to the GOP for 2014.  :-)
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2013, 12:20:32 PM »
Quote from: jukin on October 04, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
Does Obama know of this?
No! He's still on the golf course.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 01:06:06 PM »
Quote from: dane on October 04, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
These DUmmies will go to their graves clutching their deductible statements and copay bills exclaiming "It's a good thing!"

As long as they are going into the ground, I'm all for it.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 01:11:29 PM »
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Does Obama know of this?

If this was happening under George Bush, the primitives'd want him hung.

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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 03:53:00 PM »
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If this was happening under George Bush, the primitives'd want him hung.



What's good for the goose...... :-)

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Gander is male and Obama is a *ussy.
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 04:00:45 PM »
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28. This is not going to be sorted out in a week
 
Any IT person will tell you it takes 10 times longer to fix bugs in a Production environment than a test environment.

I simply cannot believe they rushed this mess into Production.

You've had three years.  How many mulligans do you think you get?

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50. So try later. Others are getting what they need. Why are you the exception. And yes I can read.

Whining doesn't excite me.

Examples?
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 04:01:55 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 04, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
If this was happening under George Bush, the primitives'd want him hung.

If this was happening under Bush, I would want him hung.

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16. from what I've seen of the responses you're not allowed to say it's a nightmare.  Unless you only have glowing admiration you get pounced on. Personally, I'm waiting a while and then I'm contacting my insurance broker. She has always helped guide me through whatever insurance application I have to go through. It's a big help.

*GASP*  Say it's not so!


Runaway!  Runaway!
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 04:56:37 PM »
I have no idea what to do or what is going on.

I am older then my Hubby, I waited a couple of years after hitting retirement age to file for full SS#
I used my 401K to pay off the house and both autos, credit cards, and we lived on his wages.

Mother kept bugging me to file for SS# and finally after a couple years did so.   I have  no need for Medicare or what ever, I am on Hubby's insurance--Cigna at his work. Now when he retires or is fired or laid off, now what.

He pays about $80.00 a week for our health insurance and includes our life insurance, dentil and eye care, I thought this was high until I saw what we would pay under Obama Care.

I threw a fit when the copay went from $20.00 to $40.00, but this new copay is out of my range and most peoples range to pay.

What the heck is going on, this Obama Care will turn us into a 3'rd world nation, back to hunting out the old Lady's that live in the woods that sell portents to cure everything.   



 
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »
Quote from: Dori on October 04, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
So maybe the Dems will come back to the table, cry uncle and discuss putting this nightmare off until next year?

Either way, this is like an election gift to the GOP for 2014.  :-)

I don't even think the stupid party can mess.......wait....
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 06:05:11 PM »
Can someone here with facebook read these comments on Obamacare?

https://www.facebook.com/Obamacare
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 06:15:18 PM »
Quote from: jukin on October 04, 2013, 11:31:36 AM
Does Obama know of this?

Get this to Kweef Olberdork RIGHT DA F*** NOW !!111!!!     :rofl:
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2013, 06:25:25 PM »
Quote from: Dori on October 04, 2013, 06:05:11 PM
Can someone here with facebook read these comments on Obamacare?

https://www.facebook.com/Obamacare


The last post was on 6/12/12 by the page owners. But many others have added comments since then.


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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2013, 06:54:32 PM »
They've had how many years to get the system up and running? can you imagine how they're going to handle your healthcare?
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2013, 07:01:47 PM »
Can I ask a question?

Someone brought this up on the radio and I thought it was a good point, if people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage whenever they need it without being penalized for getting it afterwards instead of before they needed it, then why would anyone want to carry insurance? it's cheaper to just pay the fine yearly, pocket what you would pay monthly then signup for coverage only when you need it.  
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2013, 07:04:11 PM »
TANSTAAFL, ****ers. This bullshit did one thing, added yet ANOTHER level to healthcare, bureaucrats. DUmbasses. As the saying went, think healthcare is expensive now? Wait until it's "free".
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Re: At what point are we allowed to say,"Told you so!"; No. 2 in a series
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2013, 07:29:39 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on October 04, 2013, 07:01:47 PM
Can I ask a question?

Someone brought this up on the radio and I thought it was a good point, if people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage whenever they need it without being penalized for getting it afterwards instead of before they needed it, then why would anyone want to carry insurance? it's cheaper to just pay the fine yearly, pocket what you would pay monthly then signup for coverage only when you need it.  

That might work for a young person with a small income, but I think the real fine is $95 or 1% of income, which ever is more. But it's supposed to go up.  By the time Obama leaves office, the fines are going to be a whole lot higher than 1%.






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