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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #225 on: October 08, 2013, 09:55:17 AM »
Bitchslapped for believing you could slide the strawmen in here without being called on it.

Let's review a little history, shall we?

Slavery? Compromisers allowed that to flourish far longer than it ever should have, but it was AGGRESSIVELY ADVOCATED FOR by the leftists of the Democrat Party.

Trail of Tears?  Sits squarely on the shoulders of the ass-clown Democrat Jackson and his successors.

Fugitive Slave Act? Democrat.

The Civil War? Not only Democrat initiated, but Democrats fired the first shots.

The Ku Klux Klan? That was the terrorist wing of the DEMOCRAT PARTY, post Civil War era.

Jim Crowe laws?  Segregation? Those were DEMOCRAT abortions, defended to the end by DEMOCRATS.  

The first 20th century Dictator? Wasn't Hitler, Mussolini, or even Lenin. It was the DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson.

Concentration Camps on American soil? Thank Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt for that.  

Wars of aggression? World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam; Hell, you have to get all the way  to the first Gulf War before you find a war with American involvement that wasn't kicked off by a Democrat.

And the list goes on and on and on, sir. In fact, I find myself hard pressed to find any source of misery, contention, violence or oppression that doesn't have at it's heart, the finger of a Democrat manipulating things.

And you have the unmitigated temerity to claim that e Republicans are what's wrong with America?
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #226 on: October 08, 2013, 10:43:31 AM »
Good point.  Nothing is final. I suppose, if conservatives had their way, we'd could go back to factories filled with child laborers.  Conservatives might even want to bring back slavery.  Indeed.  Nothing is final, and even on those issues the "left" has not necessarily "won."  Your point is well made.

But feel free to quote Judeo-Christian philosophy if you like.  I'm pretty well versed in it and have tremendous respect for it.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #227 on: October 08, 2013, 11:00:11 AM »
Gee, with a response like that, one would get the idea you're here to do nothing more than troll.

It's not like the greasy haired DUmmie has done anything else.  
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #228 on: October 08, 2013, 11:01:37 AM »
Good point.  Nothing is final.  I suppose, if conservatives had their way, we'd could go back to factories filled with child laborers.  Conservatives might even want to bring back slavery.  Indeed.  Nothing is final, and even on those issues the "left" has not necessarily "won."  Your point is well made.

But feel free to quote Judeo-Christian philosophy if you like.  I'm pretty well versed in it and have tremendous respect for it.

Thanks for the response.   :cheersmate:

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #229 on: October 08, 2013, 11:02:45 AM »
No matter how how a Libtard tries to act all nice and use flowery words...eventually their hard ugly center rears it's head.

But it swears "we're all in this boat together"...   :whatever:

I wonder if the Little Elmer understands that when it comes to boats, dead weight usually goes over the side first?
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #230 on: October 08, 2013, 11:04:16 AM »
I suppose, if conservatives had their way, we'd could go back to factories filled with child laborers.  Conservatives might even want to bring back slavery. 

There is no "negotiating" with an ideologue; thank you for proving that, troll.
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #231 on: October 08, 2013, 11:56:03 AM »
I've read through this thread, and it's the same story I continually see from the left.

This "the left has won the social issues of the day" really has no meaning unless it's just some kind of neener, neener, neener thing. To me, it's the same as having a "When it comes to throwing Christians to the lions, Caesar has won that discussion." OK, maybe so. But how did that finally work out for you, future Caesars?

What I don't see discussed are how the ramifications of what they're doing is going to effect those who disagree with them. They seem to be living in this world of "We had the debate, our side has own, therefore we all start rowing together again," as though we're one big happy family. They have this view that once their programs are implemented that people will realize it wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be, and all will be good in the world. Well, those days are long gone. The left has victory now, and I'm going to remember it and the nasty way they went about it. The left is building up a lot of annomosity towards themselves, their ideology, and their methods. Sure they may get victories, but what good is victory when you're forcing others to go along?

So victories? From their viewpoint, yes. But my question is at what cost? What good is victory when you're ripping the seams of the country apart in order to get it? People are not going to forget, and they will pass their stories down to their children and their children's children. The left needs to decide; do they want victories or do they want the country to stay together? Because much to their belief otherwise, they can't have both.

I keep seeing L claiming this is a great country. Yet the closer we inch towards the liberal ideology he desires, the less great it becomes. After a while, we'll be at a point where roughly 50% of the country doesn't care anymore. We're at the point now where most of us realize it's every man for himself. Now, what happens when even 20% of the 50% that carry the financial burden of the USA decide we're just not going to play along anymore?

I suspect if some things don't change back in the next few years, even I'll live long enough to see the beginning of the end. And truthfully, it would be the right thing to do. A country as the left envisions would not turn out the way they think it would, and it most certainly would not be a country worth preserving for future generations.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #232 on: October 08, 2013, 12:05:51 PM »
If the Left has won, it is definitely a pyrrhic victory.  For any 'gains' you have railroaded through, you are losing overall. Both in people who have realized the error of their ways in believing in your 'change', and in the damage that is being done to our nation. I would not be so concerned at your loss if it might not take the country I love down with you.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #233 on: October 08, 2013, 12:19:26 PM »
Good point.  Nothing is final.  I suppose, if conservatives had their way, we'd could go back to factories filled with child laborers.  Conservatives might even want to bring back slavery.  Indeed.  Nothing is final, and even on those issues the "left" has not necessarily "won."  Your point is well made.

But feel free to quote Judeo-Christian philosophy if you like.  I'm pretty well versed in it and have tremendous respect for it.

Thanks for the response.   :cheersmate:

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OMG are you really that stupid, to think that we want to bring back slavery?

Leftists are the ones who are all for slavery, they may not use whips and chains, but they use taxes and regulations to make it so people are forced into labor for the benefit of the new plantation owners aka the state.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #234 on: October 08, 2013, 09:34:01 PM »
Well I can say with out a doubt the left is pushing into a area they don't want to go. Their mere existence will depend on how they handle this. If they keep pushing unconstitutional laws they will find that they are no longer viable. I don't think they are viable now.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #235 on: October 08, 2013, 09:41:03 PM »
I've read through this thread, and it's the same story I continually see from the left.

This "the left has won the social issues of the day" really has no meaning unless it's just some kind of neener, neener, neener thing. To me, it's the same as having a "When it comes to throwing Christians to the lions, Caesar has won that discussion." OK, maybe so. But how did that finally work out for you, future Caesars?

What I don't see discussed are how the ramifications of what they're doing is going to effect those who disagree with them. They seem to be living in this world of "We had the debate, our side has own, therefore we all start rowing together again," as though we're one big happy family. They have this view that once their programs are implemented that people will realize it wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be, and all will be good in the world. Well, those days are long gone. The left has victory now, and I'm going to remember it and the nasty way they went about it. The left is building up a lot of annomosity towards themselves, their ideology, and their methods. Sure they may get victories, but what good is victory when you're forcing others to go along?

So victories? From their viewpoint, yes. But my question is at what cost? What good is victory when you're ripping the seams of the country apart in order to get it? People are not going to forget, and they will pass their stories down to their children and their children's children. The left needs to decide; do they want victories or do they want the country to stay together? Because much to their belief otherwise, they can't have both.

I keep seeing L claiming this is a great country. Yet the closer we inch towards the liberal ideology he desires, the less great it becomes. After a while, we'll be at a point where roughly 50% of the country doesn't care anymore. We're at the point now where most of us realize it's every man for himself. Now, what happens when even 20% of the 50% that carry the financial burden of the USA decide we're just not going to play along anymore?

I suspect if some things don't change back in the next few years, even I'll live long enough to see the beginning of the end. And truthfully, it would be the right thing to do. A country as the left envisions would not turn out the way they think it would, and it most certainly would not be a country worth preserving for future generations.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #236 on: October 08, 2013, 10:06:51 PM »
I've read through this thread, and it's the same story I continually see from the left.


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I suspect if some things don't change back in the next few years, even I'll live long enough to see the beginning of the end. And truthfully, it would be the right thing to do. A country as the left envisions would not turn out the way they think it would, and it most certainly would not be a country worth preserving for future generations.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #237 on: October 09, 2013, 06:40:21 AM »
OMG are you really that stupid, to think that we want to bring back slavery?

Leftists are the ones who are all for slavery, they may not use whips and chains, but they use taxes and regulations to make it so people are forced into labor for the benefit of the new plantation owners aka the state.


No, I don't think anyone here wants to bring back slavery.  My point was that some social/cultural issues do get settled in time, a point I made in response to Frank who suggested that nothing is final.  Ultimately, he's right about that.  I concede that my premise regarding social issues in this thread is in error.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #238 on: October 09, 2013, 06:42:02 AM »
I don't what you are talking about.

My point was that some social/cultural issues do get settled, in time, but Frank is right, ultimately.  Nothing is certain, and nothing of this kind is really final.  That's all.

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« Reply #239 on: October 09, 2013, 06:47:20 AM »
Republicans (such as Lincoln) were the ones that got rid of slavery, and you think we want to bring it back?

No, I don't think anyone here wants to bring back slavery.  My point was that social/cultural issues do sometimes get "decided" by us, as a society.  I said this in response to franksolich's suggestion that nothing is final.  That said, upon reconsideration, I agree with franksolich.  Nothing is final.

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« Reply #240 on: October 09, 2013, 06:58:05 AM »
Let me thank all of you who have replied constructively to this thread.  It is obvious to me that my central thesis is deeply flawed, but I appreciate your helping me clear up my blind spots, here.

Gun control, for example, is a social issue upon which "the left" has not won.  It didn't even make my initial list, but it's definitely a social/cultural issue that the left has not "won," to the extent that most of those who support further gun control are on the left.  In fact, the left is still divided on this issue.  Nobody mentioned immigration, that I can recall, but that's another social/cultural issue that the left has definitely not "won" in any meaningful way.  Other issues on my initial list are definitely not "settled" among many of CC's posters, and I appreciate your letting me know that.

Here's the thing:  I have dropped this little nugget (the thesis of the OP) a couple of times at another site, and nobody called me on it--ever.  Nobody really had anything to say about it.  I couldn't test it.  I knew that if anyone was going to help me refine my thinking along these lines and definitely call out error when they saw it, it would be my friends at CC.

Thank you.  I do appreciate your insight.   :cheersmate:

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« Reply #241 on: October 09, 2013, 07:12:21 AM »
Bitchslapped for believing you could slide the strawmen in here without being called on it.

Let's review a little history, shall we?

Slavery? Compromisers allowed that to flourish far longer than it ever should have, but it was AGGRESSIVELY ADVOCATED FOR by the leftists of the Democrat Party.

Trail of Tears?  Sits squarely on the shoulders of the ass-clown Democrat Jackson and his successors.

Fugitive Slave Act? Democrat.

The Civil War? Not only Democrat initiated, but Democrats fired the first shots.

The Ku Klux Klan? That was the terrorist wing of the DEMOCRAT PARTY, post Civil War era.

Jim Crowe laws?  Segregation? Those were DEMOCRAT abortions, defended to the end by DEMOCRATS. 

The first 20th century Dictator? Wasn't Hitler, Mussolini, or even Lenin. It was the DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson.

Concentration Camps on American soil? Thank Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt for that. 

Wars of aggression? World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam; Hell, you have to get all the way  to the first Gulf War before you find a war with American involvement that wasn't kicked off by a Democrat.

And the list goes on and on and on, sir. In fact, I find myself hard pressed to find any source of misery, contention, violence or oppression in modern America that doesn't have at it's heart, the finger of a Democrat manipulating things.

And you have the unmitigated temerity to claim that the Republicans are what's wrong with America?


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I appreciate the thorough response.  I don't recall ever saying that "the left" = Democrats and "the right" = Republicans in this thread.  I think the Republican party was pretty liberal during its early years (anti-slavery, pro-public education).  The Democrats were our conservatives during the mid-to-late 19th Century.  The parties flipped their biases (conservative/liberal) in the early 20th century.  I assumed people took this historical fact for granted.  Perhaps I was wrong about that.

I don't recall ever saying that Republicans are what's wrong with America, either.  Certainly I never said any such thing in this thread.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #242 on: October 09, 2013, 07:15:46 AM »
Today you say:
No, I don't think anyone here wants to bring back slavery.  My point was that social/cultural issues do sometimes get "decided" by us, as a society.  I said this in response to franksolich's suggestion that nothing is final.  That said, upon reconsideration, I agree with franksolich.  Nothing is final.

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But just yesterday, you said:

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I suppose, if conservatives had their way, we'd could go back to factories filled with child laborers.  Conservatives might even want to bring back slavery.  Indeed.  Nothing is final, and even on those issues the "left" has not necessarily "won."  Your point is well made.

In addition to being completely, factually, historically incorrect, you also paint with a broad, libelous brush.

Which opinion do you stand behind? Yesterday's or todays?

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #243 on: October 09, 2013, 07:22:58 AM »
I've read through this thread, and it's the same story I continually see from the left.

This "the left has won the social issues of the day" really has no meaning unless it's just some kind of neener, neener, neener thing. To me, it's the same as having a "When it comes to throwing Christians to the lions, Caesar has won that discussion." OK, maybe so. But how did that finally work out for you, future Caesars?

What I don't see discussed are how the ramifications of what they're doing is going to effect those who disagree with them. They seem to be living in this world of "We had the debate, our side has own, therefore we all start rowing together again," as though we're one big happy family. They have this view that once their programs are implemented that people will realize it wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be, and all will be good in the world. Well, those days are long gone. The left has victory now, and I'm going to remember it and the nasty way they went about it. The left is building up a lot of annomosity towards themselves, their ideology, and their methods. Sure they may get victories, but what good is victory when you're forcing others to go along?

So victories? From their viewpoint, yes. But my question is at what cost? What good is victory when you're ripping the seams of the country apart in order to get it? People are not going to forget, and they will pass their stories down to their children and their children's children. The left needs to decide; do they want victories or do they want the country to stay together? Because much to their belief otherwise, they can't have both.

I keep seeing L claiming this is a great country. Yet the closer we inch towards the liberal ideology he desires, the less great it becomes. After a while, we'll be at a point where roughly 50% of the country doesn't care anymore. We're at the point now where most of us realize it's every man for himself. Now, what happens when even 20% of the 50% that carry the financial burden of the USA decide we're just not going to play along anymore?

I suspect if some things don't change back in the next few years, even I'll live long enough to see the beginning of the end. And truthfully, it would be the right thing to do. A country as the left envisions would not turn out the way they think it would, and it most certainly would not be a country worth preserving for future generations.

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Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Indeed.  Whether the left's "victories" (as described in this thread) are good for the United States is another question altogether.  One I did not intend to address.  I am happy to let your observations on this subject stand uncontested on CC.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #244 on: October 09, 2013, 07:23:45 AM »
Today you say: But just yesterday, you said:

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Rhetorical question....right?

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« Reply #245 on: October 09, 2013, 07:25:02 AM »
Today you say: But just yesterday, you said:

In addition to being completely, factually, historically incorrect, you also paint with a broad, libelous brush.

Which opinion do you stand behind? Yesterday's or todays?

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Frank was right.  Anything is possible, and nothing is "final" in regards to these issues.  I was in error to suggest that any social change is permanent.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #246 on: October 09, 2013, 07:36:14 AM »
Well I can say with out a doubt the left is pushing into a area they don't want to go. Their mere existence will depend on how they handle this. If they keep pushing unconstitutional laws they will find that they are no longer viable. I don't think they are viable now.
Interesting.  I'd be curious to hear you out further on this observation, if you're interested in expanding upon it.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #247 on: October 09, 2013, 07:45:00 AM »
Frank was right.  Anything is possible, and nothing is "final" in regards to these issues.  I was in error to suggest that any social change is permanent.

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I was focusing on your opinion that conservatives (like us) want to bring back slavery. First you sad we do, then, after you were called on it, you said we don't.

That was a faster flip-flop than John Kerry.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #248 on: October 09, 2013, 07:54:34 AM »
No, I don't think anyone here wants to bring back slavery.  My point was that social/cultural issues do sometimes get "decided" by us, as a society.  I said this in response to franksolich's suggestion that nothing is final.  That said, upon reconsideration, I agree with franksolich.  Nothing is final.

-Laelth
Yet you, like most other liberals, seem to believe the decades-long propagana and fear hype about the republicans and conservative christians in particular (otherwise, you wouldn't have said it). You know, how if republicans had our way, this country would be a theocracy where women would have no rights whatsoever and would function only as baby factories, where children would go to work for 20 hour days before they could learn to walk, where anyone who isn't an Albino would be rounded up and shipped to Baffin Island, where the planet's climate would resemble Venus, and where we would pray to the local corporation three times a day, and so on.

For far too long, we have heard all kinds of things about how republicans want to destroy this country (some actually worse than what was in the last paragraph). They create a government program and then once its been established, they will use it election year after election year as a way to get their voters all worked up and frightened that those eeeeeeevil republicans want to take that program away (i.e. social security, medicare, and now Obamacare). And when someone comes along and tries to fix the problems that involve reducing the power of government, out comes the liberals and the media (redundant, I know) and the knee-jerk reactions, the fear, and even downright hate.

After decades of all of this, it's little wonder that the dupes at DU and other such places totally believe all of the abject lies and slander. There is thread upon thread over at DU which is nothing more than "I hate (Cruz, Bush, Tea Party, insert silly nickname for republicans here, Cheney, Fox News, etc.) and I want them to (go away and never return, be thrown in jail, die, die horribly, die slowly, be shot, be fragged by that grenade, suffer agonizing pain for years and then die, etc.)". And for what? Because the republicans disagree with the liberal agenda? Because there are some people out there that maybe...just maybe don't want to be dependent or subservient to an all-powerful government? Maybe we like using incandescent bulbs or driving an SUV, but if we do, we're made out to be some kind of horrible villain bent on destroying the world.

Do you see just how ridiculous all of that hype and propaganda is? So please, don't believe the tripe that just because we don't want the government controlling our health care that somehow we want to bring back slavery. If anything, Obamacare is what will make slaves of us, by telling us what we can and cannot eat or drink or where we can and cannot go, or worse, what we are required to eat or drink in the interests of "cutting costs". Need that pacemaker? Sorry, it would cost too much and you're too old anyway. Here, take these pain pills.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #249 on: October 09, 2013, 08:11:53 AM »
Yet you, like most other liberals, seem to believe the decades-long propagana and fear hype about the republicans and conservative christians in particular (otherwise, you wouldn't have said it). You know, how if republicans had our way, this country would be a theocracy where women would have no rights whatsoever and would function only as baby factories, where children would go to work for 20 hour days before they could learn to walk, where anyone who isn't an Albino would be rounded up and shipped to Baffin Island, where the planet's climate would resemble Venus, and where we would pray to the local corporation three times a day, and so on.

For far too long, we have heard all kinds of things about how republicans want to destroy this country (some actually worse than what was in the last paragraph). They create a government program and then once its been established, they will use it election year after election year as a way to get their voters all worked up and frightened that those eeeeeeevil republicans want to take that program away (i.e. social security, medicare, and now Obamacare). And when someone comes along and tries to fix the problems that involve reducing the power of government, out comes the liberals and the media (redundant, I know) and the knee-jerk reactions, the fear, and even downright hate.

After decades of all of this, it's little wonder that the dupes at DU and other such places totally believe all of the abject lies and slander. There is thread upon thread over at DU which is nothing more than "I hate (Cruz, Bush, Tea Party, insert silly nickname for republicans here, Cheney, Fox News, etc.) and I want them to (go away and never return, be thrown in jail, die, die horribly, die slowly, be shot, be fragged by that grenade, suffer agonizing pain for years and then die, etc.)". And for what? Because the republicans disagree with the liberal agenda? Because there are some people out there that maybe...just maybe don't want to be dependent or subservient to an all-powerful government? Maybe we like using incandescent bulbs or driving an SUV, but if we do, we're made out to be some kind of horrible villain bent on destroying the world.

Do you see just how ridiculous all of that hype and propaganda is? So please, don't believe the tripe that just because we don't want the government controlling our health care that somehow we want to bring back slavery. If anything, Obamacare is what will make slaves of us, by telling us what we can and cannot eat or drink or where we can and cannot go, or worse, what we are required to eat or drink in the interests of "cutting costs". Need that pacemaker? Sorry, it would cost too much and you're too old anyway. Here, take these pain pills.

I do not buy that hype, though you rightly note that some people do.  That said, I do have to agree with Frank that nothing is final and unchangeable (other than death).

Thank you for your thoughtful response.   :cheersmate:

-Laelth
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