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Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« on: September 26, 2013, 02:25:52 PM »
Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
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Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
 Thursday, Sep 26, 2013 07:44 AM EST
Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
Sure, he's an arrogant liar. But his real sin? He embarrassed his party and exposed its Obamacare sham
By Brian Beutler


Amid a million stories about what constitutes a filibuster, and who does and doesn’t like Ted Cruz (and whether his anti-Obamacare talkathon will be good or bad for his presidential campaign), let’s not lose sight of the dynamic that gave rise to it.

What happened over the past 24 hours is a direct consequence of Republicans making sport out of misleading the public, and particularly conservatives, about the threat Obamacare poses to the country. It created an incentive for publicity-hungry members to stage more and more elaborate, but ultimately symbolic, anti-Obamacare performances

If Republicans really worried that Obamacare is as dangerous as they’ve been claiming for years — if they truly believed it will sap the middle class of ambition and bankrupt the country — then many more of them would have joined Cruz over the past 24 hours. At the very least, they wouldn’t have blown him off and attacked his motives and trashed him anonymously in the press.

But the deceptive nature of their opposition campaign created an opening for a false savior like Cruz to outperform them.

Republicans are annoyed with Cruz for plenty of reasons — he’s arrogant, he’s lying to primary voters about the limits of GOP power, he’s inching Congress toward a government shutdown most of the party wants to avoid. But a big subtext here is that he’s exposed the simple message that once united the party as a sham. If Obamacare is as perilous as the party claims, why wait until the next election to try and derail it? By swooping in like he did, knowing he couldn’t deliver, he actually exposed both charades — his own and his GOP antagonists’ — and left ACA intact.


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http://www.salon.com/2013/09/26/republicans_hate_ted_cruz_as_much_as_you_do/

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1. So? They enabled Ted Cruz. Tie him around their necks.

Cruz exists because of the GOP. Cruz is the GOP.

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2. And they were so thrilled with him when he got elected last year.

He's got a rare gift for making people hate him.
You mean those Establishment GOP types.

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3. Republicans may hate him

But this guy is going to come out a hero amongst low information fearful ignorant IndieTeaPublicans.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 02:40:32 PM »
I can hardly wait to vote for him again.   :yahoo:
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2013, 03:05:00 PM »
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3. Republicans may hate him

But this guy is going to come out a hero amongst low information fearful ignorant IndieTeaPublicans.

We are the low information voters?  :mental:
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 04:26:41 PM »
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1. So? They enabled Ted Cruz. Tie him around their necks.

Cruz exists because of the GOP. Cruz is the GOP.

Yeah, you're right DUmbass! The people who sent him to DC to do exactly what he is doing, didn't have a damn thing to do with it!

****in' idiots! And you call us "low information"? Afraid Rush has already tagged you nitwits with that handle. You haven't had an original thought in your head since your momma was late for the abortion appointment, have ya?
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 04:44:44 PM »
2015 could see Cruz, Lee, or Paul the senate majority leader.

Just a young man with a dream but what a dream.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 04:48:07 PM »
Quote from: jukin on September 26, 2013, 04:44:44 PM
2015 could see Cruz, Lee, or Paul the senate majority leader.

Just a young man with a dream but what a dream.
And then, use dingyharry's tactics against them.  :lmao:
DUMPmonkeys  ====> :panic:
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 05:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Skul on September 26, 2013, 04:48:07 PM
And then, use dingyharry's tactics against them.  :lmao:
DUMPmonkeys  ====> :panic:

I could see Cruz doing that.  He hates them as much as we do.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 05:52:41 PM »
Those aren't Republicans, those are sheep's-clothing Democrats who aren't afraid to admit they have the same country club membership as Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 05:54:29 PM »
Republicans in name only may hate Cruz, but conservatives tend to side with him.

If Dimocratics and John McCain (BIRM) don't like Cruz, then I take that as another reason to like him.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 06:00:07 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 26, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Republicans in name only may hate Cruz, but conservatives tend to side with him.

If Dimocratics and John McCain (BIRM) don't like Cruz, then I take that as another reason to like him.

Amen!  "Hit dog yelps the loudest", and from what I'm hearing, he hit a lot of them!   :yahoo:

You only catch flack when you're over the target, Ted made one hell of a successful bombing run!   :cheersmate:

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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 05:29:23 AM »
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Republicans RINOS hate Ted Cruz as much as you do

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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 06:34:29 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 27, 2013, 05:29:23 AM
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Check your premises. Conservatives and libertarians are "RINO"; the "real Republicans" do not represent conservative or libertarian values.

The highest ranking Republican in the United States government is King Hussein's golf buddy Boehner. The two most powerful Republicans in the Senate are McConnell and McCain. The Republican Party leadership has done its best to undermine Cruz and the other conservatives.

The Party treats us like battered spouses. "Sure, we abuse you, but where else ar you gonna go?"
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 07:25:10 AM »
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Check your premises. Conservatives and libertarians are "RINO"; the "real Republicans" do not represent conservative or libertarian values.

The highest ranking Republican in the United States government is King Hussein's golf buddy Boehner. The two most powerful Republicans in the Senate are McConnell and McCain. The Republican Party leadership has done its best to undermine Cruz and the other conservatives.

The Party treats us like battered spouses. "Sure, we abuse you, but where else ar you gonna go?"

When I say RINO I'm talking Boehner, McConnell Cantor and the so called Conservative Journalists who just want to "go along to get along" when it comes to Obamacare, Immigration etc.

The ones taht are stabbing Paul and Cruz and Mike Lee in the back right now.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 09:25:24 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on September 27, 2013, 06:34:29 AM
Check your premises. Conservatives and libertarians are "RINO"; the "real Republicans" do not represent conservative or libertarian values.

The highest ranking Republican in the United States government is King Hussein's golf buddy Boehner. The two most powerful Republicans in the Senate are McConnell and McCain. The Republican Party leadership has done its best to undermine Cruz and the other conservatives.

The Party treats us like battered spouses. "Sure, we abuse you, but where else ar you gonna go?"

It's like they want to split the republican party.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 06:45:16 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 27, 2013, 07:25:10 AM
When I say RINO I'm talking Boehner, McConnell Cantor and the so called Conservative Journalists who just want to "go along to get along" when it comes to Obamacare, Immigration etc.

The ones taht are stabbing Paul and Cruz and Mike Lee in the back right now.

I get it, but they are the national Republican Party. They own the brand now.

States in the South, Midwest, and West have much more conservative Republicans in the governors' mansions; but none of those conservative governors have the support of the Party establishment.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 07:16:38 PM »
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Ah yes, a quote from the "saloon".  :-)

I'll bet it's McCain's favorite source for news.  :lmao:

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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 07:26:44 PM »
<<<considers self an "establishment" Republican, but loves Ted Cruz, has no problem with him.

He's a great guy, and we need more like him.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2013, 05:18:04 AM »
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<<<considers self an "establishment" Republican, but loves Ted Cruz, has no problem with him.

He's a great guy, and we need more like him.

I'm not an 'establishment' Republican, and I love the guy.

My wife has said that Cruz doesn't fit the 'natural-born' requirement outlined in the Constitution, because his parents weren't born in the US, but I'm willing to look past that.  We need this guy.
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Re: Re: Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2013, 12:50:39 AM »
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I'm not an 'establishment' Republican, and I love the guy.

My wife has said that Cruz doesn't fit the 'natural-born' requirement outlined in the Constitution, because his parents weren't born in the US, but I'm willing to look past that.  We need this guy.

His mom is a U.S. Citizen. Born in Wilmington DE. Cruz is good to go.
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Re: Re: Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2013, 06:50:38 AM »
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His mom is a U.S. Citizen. Born in Wilmington DE. Cruz is good to go.

My wife throws the flag on his father, who wasn't born in the US.
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Re: Re: Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2013, 07:37:30 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 29, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
My wife throws the flag on his father, who wasn't born in the US.

Seem to me I've heard this one about a certain mulatto Kenyan muslim.

Didn't deter him any.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2013, 07:56:23 AM »
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Seem to me I've heard this one about a certain mulatto Kenyan muslim.

Didn't deter him any.

We just had that argument.  She's dead-set against Cruz for that reason.  I'm saying that we need someone who actually cares about this country, and if that person just happens to have a dad who wasn't born in the US, oh well.
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Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2013, 09:36:02 AM »
Obama is not an American......he's an Obamaian.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2013, 10:06:46 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 29, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
My wife throws the flag on his father, who wasn't born in the US.

Doesn't matter. Mom is American. And he's already renounced his Canadian citizenship. (IIRC he did have dual citizenship)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Republicans hate Ted Cruz as much as you do
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 29, 2013, 10:06:46 AM
Doesn't matter. Mom is American. And he's already renounced his Canadian citizenship. (IIRC he did have dual citizenship)

You know, if the democrats were to question his citizenship, that could reopen the case for proof of citizenship for Obama.

I don't think the democrats would question his citizenship if his dad came from Mars.....hell, that's where most of the DUmmies are from.
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