Pope to Pro-Ghey Priest: You Are Out Of Here!- DUmp 'splodes...

[dutch508]

JI7 (42,242 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014602462

Vatican Excommunicates Gay-Supportive Australian Priest
Source: advocate

In the wake of encouraging statements Pope Francis made in an interview published last week comes evidence that the Roman Catholic Church still definitely does not embrace LGBT equality — the excommunication of a gay-supportive priest in Melbourne, Australia.

The DUmpGheyMafia won't stand for this!!!

dipsydoodle (35,716 posts)
9. Nothing confirms this to be the sole reason anyway -

there seems to have been other issues which may have been of higher importance with the gay aspect just being a red herring. Wouldn't have thought it would take light years to translate the Latin into English for the actual reasons.

er... What?

Alamuti Lotus (2,924 posts)
3. I guess they didn't hear the fine-sounding sentiments from their figurehead

The Pope signed it. Or were you talking about Jesus...

Shivering Jemmy (527 posts)
10. What makes you think

That the pope is the boss? He's one of several bosses. Probably the one with the most theoretical power. But his power base in the Vatican is tenuous and other bishops might have more influence at the moment

We all know who is really in control... BUSH AND TEH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!

Hydra (11,165 posts)
16. Hard to say

The Pope could be just trying for a more positive image with his comments about LBGT stuff and Globalization, or he could be rocking the boat and will have to fight the establish power structure to move away from stuff like this.

That said, this is an organic process. If they kick out all of the equality friendly voices from the church(that includes people like me), then they're just going to be an empty shell full of hateful/fearful people that no one will view as a positive influence in the world.

The choice is theirs- money/power/evil or what their messiah stands for

 

[DefiantSix]

First they prohibit Nazi Pelousi from receiving communion until she ceases swinging the incense for pre-natal sacrifices to Moloch (that's advocating killing babies, for you lurking DUmbasses).

Now they're excommunicating the weirdos who want to go against the doctrine of the church and grant legitimacy to shit stabbers.

If I weren't already happily ensconced as a Mormon, I'd be tempted to be baptized catholic, if only because they have the unmitigated temerity to stand for what they believe in.

[JohnnyReb]

Now, if only we could find some way to excommunicate all GAY loving DUmmies from humanity.........

[DefiantSix]

Now, if only we could find some way to excommunicate all GAY loving DUmmies from humanity.........

The Moonbat Fever is worse than rabies in this regard. They can lock themselves in their parent's basement. They can wipe the foaming spittle from around their mouth while they post at Skin's Island. Eventually though, they will no longer be able to counter the clarion call of Moonbat Fever to 'rise up against the man's oppression' with their own innate laziness, and they will act out against normal men and women. Once that happens, the normal men and women are completely enabled to excommunicate DUmmies of all stripes from humanity at large.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Probably caught him with a boy and the victim's family doesn't want it dragged out in the open.

[jukin]

it would take light years to translate the Latin into English for the actual reasons.

One of the smartest people on the internet does know that "light years" are a measurement of distance and not of time?

[Splashdown]

I've been trying to tell my liberal, Catholic friends that the Pope isn't changing doctrine. They just love reading the pulled quotes. If you read deeper, the Pope is the real Catholic deal.

Jesus loved sinners. His earthly mission was for the lost sheep. He ate and hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. The Prodigal Son in the parable consorted with prostitutes. The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

[AllosaursRus]

Probably caught him with a boy and the victim's family doesn't want it dragged out in the open.

Vegas odds makers could clean up with that one! More than likely it's the Vatican that wants to keep it quiet, though.

They don't need another man/boy publicity firestorm. Victims get rich for keepin' their mouths shut, so I'll go with the church stifling any stories.

[Wineslob]

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

DUmmies, you cannot change things to the way you want it. That is not how it works, but I will NEVER expect you dullards to comprehend that.

The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

 

[BlueStateSaint]

I've been trying to tell my liberal, Catholic friends that the Pope isn't changing doctrine. They just love reading the pulled quotes. If you read deeper, the Pope is the real Catholic deal.

Jesus loved sinners. His earthly mission was for the lost sheep. He ate and hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. The Prodigal Son in the parable consorted with prostitutes. The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

Hell, even my conservative Lutheran wife gets it.  So do I, as a conservative Catholic.

[Aristotelian]

The Holy Father is going to give us lots of fun with the DUmmies. Leftists in general, utterly failing to understand the Catholic Church, think that a different style means putting the Faith up for grabs...when they realise that the Pope is a Catholic it's going to burn, and burn hard.

[vesta111]

I've been trying to tell my liberal, Catholic friends that the Pope isn't changing doctrine. They just love reading the pulled quotes. If you read deeper, the Pope is the real Catholic deal.

Jesus loved sinners. His earthly mission was for the lost sheep. He ate and hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. The Prodigal Son in the parable consorted with prostitutes. The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

 The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

Odd I have no idea how anyone can do this act.   Seems to me that those that commit evil deeds for their own benefit irregardless of who or how many are harmed place themselves in the position of being unacceptable  to those they harm or may harm in the future.

This is where society's laws come in, we have jails and mental institutions to keep the sinners away from the public and harm at their hands.  

I doubt Jesus hung out with murderers, child molesters, thugs, pyromaniacs  or serial killers.

I cannot equate a Tax collector or prostitutes to sinners, perhaps not an ideal job but someone has to do it.

Guess a sin is to harm another for ones own benefit.   Definition changes  from society to society through the years, adultery was a sin that meant death for the woman, not for the man.  

However I look at it, there are some outright Evil ba*tards in this world and to accept them but hate what they are doing makes no sense at all.

No way will I accept the Muslim terrorists and still hate what they are doing.   Nasty bunch of people that only live to die and have an eternity of sex with virgins. No one has ever explained to me what happens to the used virgins, are they cast into hell ?  

[freedumb2003b]

One of the smartest people on the internet does know that "light years" are a measurement of distance and not of time?

So is "Parsec."

;)

[Wineslob]

Posted by: vesta111

[vesta111]

Ouch, quit you big bully, go play in the street.

[BlueStateSaint]

You know, you shouldn't be so subtle!  Say what you really mean!

[AllosaursRus]

Nuf said WineS! Find any logic in that post?

[movie buff]

"I cannot equate a Tax collector or prostitutes to sinners, perhaps not an ideal job but someone has to do it."
-Sighs and facepalms-
Prostitutes= Sleeping around, and having loose morals, which is sinful.
Tax collectors in that day and age were known for being incredibly corrupt as a rule, and those tax collectors who happened to be Jewish were particularly despised, as they were viewed as selling out their own people to the Roman government that was oppressing them. Disloyalty and dishonest business practices are sinful.

[vesta111]

"I cannot equate a Tax collector or prostitutes to sinners, perhaps not an ideal job but someone has to do it."
-Sighs and facepalms-
Prostitutes= Sleeping around, and having loose morals, which is sinful.
Tax collectors in that day and age were known for being incredibly corrupt as a rule, and those tax collectors who happened to be Jewish were particularly despised, as they were viewed as selling out their own people to the Roman government that was oppressing them. Disloyalty and dishonest business practices are sinful.

Never did understand the prostitution as a sin thing but the men that are willing to pay them to sin are considered blameless.   If males controlled themselves there would be no Prostitutes.  When has anyone ever heard a male accused of loose morals because he gets a divorce and remarries ? Or shame put on a male that has  more then a couple of children by 2 or more woman and not ever married any of them. 

Don't believe Jesus felt this way about tax collectors----- " Rend unto Cesar what is Cesar's----- Rend into the Lord what is HIS"  this I would believe to mean paying taxes and being conscripted into the military to defend the land and lives of the people.

CC, can you explain in the religious topic what is or is not a SIN, and how all different society's view it, is to sin a time and actual consequence of the environment at the time or is it open to interpretation .   

[Gina]

Probably caught him with a boy and the victim's family doesn't want it dragged out in the open.

that's what I figured the minute I read it

[Splashdown]

Never did understand the prostitution as a sin thing but the men that are willing to pay them to sin are considered blameless.   If males controlled themselves there would be no Prostitutes.  When has anyone ever heard a male accused of loose morals because he gets a divorce and remarries ? Or shame put on a male that has  more then a couple of children by 2 or more woman and not ever married any of them. 

Don't believe Jesus felt this way about tax collectors----- " Rend unto Cesar what is Cesar's----- Rend into the Lord what is HIS"  this I would believe to mean paying taxes and being conscripted into the military to defend the land and lives of the people.

CC, can you explain in the religious topic what is or is not a SIN, and how all different society's view it, is to sin a time and actual consequence of the environment at the time or is it open to interpretation .   

Since this is an thread about the Pope, I'll give you the Catechism's definition.

II. THE DEFINITION OF SIN

1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as "an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law."121

1850 Sin is an offense against God: "Against you, you alone, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in your sight."122 Sin sets itself against God's love for us and turns our hearts away from it. Like the first sin, it is disobedience, a revolt against God through the will to become "like gods,"123 knowing and determining good and evil. Sin is thus "love of oneself even to contempt of God."124 In this proud self- exaltation, sin is diametrically opposed to the obedience of Jesus, which achieves our salvation.125

1851 It is precisely in the Passion, when the mercy of Christ is about to vanquish it, that sin most clearly manifests its violence and its many forms: unbelief, murderous hatred, shunning and mockery by the leaders and the people, Pilate's cowardice and the cruelty of the soldiers, Judas' betrayal - so bitter to Jesus, Peter's denial and the disciples' flight. However, at the very hour of darkness, the hour of the prince of this world,126 the sacrifice of Christ secretly becomes the source from which the forgiveness of our sins will pour forth inexhaustibly.

III. THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SINS

1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God."

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I've been trying to tell my liberal, Catholic friends that the Pope isn't changing doctrine. They just love reading the pulled quotes. If you read deeper, the Pope is the real Catholic deal.

Jesus loved sinners. His earthly mission was for the lost sheep. He ate and hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. The Prodigal Son in the parable consorted with prostitutes. The Pope gets it. It's about changing our sinful ways and accepting the sinner. NOT accepting the sin...

Exactly! I guess they missed the part of the interview where the Holy Father said this:

The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church,

The NYT decided to just gloss over that!

[Wineslob]

Nuf said WineS! Find any logic in that post?

Zip, zero, nada.


Now I'm going to go play in the street.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Hydra (11,165 posts)
16. Hard to say

The Pope could be just trying for a more positive image with his comments about LBGT stuff and Globalization, or he could be rocking the boat and will have to fight the establish power structure to move away from stuff like this.
That said, this is an organic process. If they kick out all of the equality friendly voices from the church(that includes people like me), then they're just going to be an empty shell full of hateful/fearful people that no one will view as a positive influence in the world.

The choice is theirs- money/power/evil or what their messiah stands for

The pope answers to church doctrine.He cannot and will not create doctrine out of thin air. In order for him to change church doctrine he has to make an "infallible declaration". This declaration has to be rooted in church tradition.There is no tradition that says women can be ordained,gays can be married or that homosexuality is normal and is to be celebrated(Homosexuality is defined by the church as being disordered but that we as Catholics are to pray for and have compassion for them as we would any other sinner)or that killing the unborn is ok as long as you have a good reason. None of these things will ever be changed because they cant be.

[AllosaursRus]

The pope answers to church doctrine.He cannot and will not create doctrine out of thin air. In order for him to change church doctrine he has to make an "infallible declaration". This declaration has to be rooted in church tradition.There is no tradition that says women can be ordained,gays can be married or that homosexuality is normal and is to be celebrated(Homosexuality is defined by the church as being disordered but that we as Catholics are to pray for and have compassion for them as we would any other sinner)or that killing the unborn is ok as long as you have a good reason. None of these things will ever be changed because they cant be.

Unlike the CSIC, ( cocksucker in charge ),who creates laws out of thin air. Constitution be damned! It's what the Constitution keeps him from doing that's what's wrong with it!

Just ask him!!!!