FirstLight upset that kids aren't allowed PDA in MIDDLE SCHOOL

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FirstLight (8,835 posts)

So, my daughter's school has a Zero Tolerance policy for PDA's - xpost LGBT
My daughter is now in middle school, 6th-8th grades. She came home and informed me the other day that the school has a hands-down NO tolerance policy for PDA's...if you hold hands with someone in the hallways, a teacher can break you up and you WILL get detention. Never mind if you get caught hugging or *gasp* kissing!

Okay, I went to middle/high school in the 80s and I can say this was NOT an issue. We walked holding hands, arms around each other, and had the decency to keep our snogging to discreet areas behind the portables... but it was commonplace. Hell, it was a way of showing others you were 'with' someone, holding hands or sitting on the bleachers snuggling during lunch or games...

And I think I know why they started this ridiculous nazi oversight....it's because more kids are dating same gender people and they are afraid of the repercussions from parents and kids asking questions about gay relationships. I even told my daughter that's what I expect is their motivation for this ... It's crazy. Just because it makes the establishment uncomfortable, they outlaw affection for everyone. Seriously, isn't this the age where we are supposed to be exploring relationships? Why can't we open the conversation to include what healthy relationships are supposed to look like, for ALL genders?

I was posting here to get your take on this, but as I type I am getting fired up and think I may have to have a talk with the principal.

And also posted in LGBTSKGJSJH forum because I think she expects requires everyone to be gay nowadays

I don't get the Dem fascination with sexualizing children...I really don't. And apparently the stupid c*** thinks schools are meant to be a place for kids to hang all over each other, which is also insane. Pretty short walk from there to teachers boning students, which I'm sure she's all about. Still, not every DUmmy agrees:

Star Member WinkyDink (38,324 posts)
2. Bleachers aren't school hallways, which in turn aren't for "exploring relationships." I'm with the

school.

Funny how kids learn there's an "after-school."

No kidding. If you're so anxious for your daughter to lose her virginity at 12, let her do it in your bed after school.

Star Member KittyWampus (45,112 posts)
6. 6th grade is generally about 11 years old. So I'm kind of on the school's side.

Star Member LWolf (37,659 posts)
17. Most middle schools do.

My K-8 school does, and we enforce it.

It has nothing to do with same-sex relationships.

It has to do with:

1. Treating our school like what it is: an academic center of learning.

2. Learning to filter social behaviors to suit the setting; also a kind of learning.

3. Treating the school like what it is: a community for all ages, not just experimental adolescents exploring their sexuality.

It's funny, my 6th - 8th grade students all know who is "with" whom, without physical displays. They are actually horrified to find out that teachers know, too; we know the signs without the pda. We sometimes give them a hard time about their phrasing; they say they are "going out" with someone, even if they never see that person outside of school. We respond, "Where are you going with him/her?" They roll their eyes and say, "YOU know...going OUT." That satisfies their need to see us as too old to "get it." The vast majority of those "going out" don't do so for long; several days through a few weeks is about average.

I like teaching in K-8 schools, which I think is a more natural setting than rounding up large numbers of adolescents and isolating them with each other. Our students know that young children, their younger siblings, parents, and even their old kindergarten teacher can be found in any hallway, playground, cafeteria, or other setting. In spite of their adolescent rush of hormones and discovery, they know about modeling appropriate social behaviors in public settings, which school is.

We don't spend much time separating people or assigning them detentions. A look or a word usually does the job. Being a small school, we know our kids very well. We know who is a higher potential risk than some for dropping out, for pregnancy, for stds, for hard drugs, and other seriously life-limiting behaviors. We get them what support we can with our limited resources, and we do our damned best to make sure none of that happens on our watch.

When it DOES happen, once they've gone onto high school, we grieve for them and with them. Thankfully, it doesn't happen often. Many, many of our students come back on a regular basis, all through high school, to check in with us. We ARE a community, and they are still part of that community. I have, every year, high school students volunteering in my room the last hour of the day. They stand a little straighter, spit the gum out, take off their hats, turn off their phones, and walk into the building with pride and a sense of purpose. We're still THEIR school, and they want the community to see them at their best.

Well, THAT was a logical slapdown. Still, FirstLight is adamant that schools are for nookie:

FirstLight (8,835 posts)
20. okay, how big is your school? just out of curoisity

I think there seems to be too much treatment of school like a job site and training ground rather than recognizing the social aspect has importance too...
The kids are being policed to the point that they are not allowed to even have normal social relationships...and yes, friends (or more) hugging, holding hands, or walking to class with your arm on their shoulder should NOT be a punishable offense. My god , we are teaching kids that it's not okay to touch now?

It's great that you know the kids in your school so well, but that's not my point. It just seems like a blanket response to something that could be used as a teaching tool instead. This is a time not just when kids explore relationships, but how those relationships define them in the social sphere as well...and we should be talking about personal boundaries and social propriety, not just shutting down the entire argument.

Psycho lunatic.

[Gina]

And also posted in LGBTSKGJSJH forum because I think she expects requires everyone to be gay nowadays

I don't get the Dem fascination with sexualizing children...I really don't. And apparently the stupid c*** thinks schools are meant to be a place for kids to hang all over each other, which is also insane. Pretty short walk from there to teachers boning students, which I'm sure she's all about. Still, not every DUmmy agrees:

No kidding. If you're so anxious for your daughter to lose her virginity at 12, let her do it in your bed after school.

Well, THAT was a logical slapdown. Still, FirstLight is adamant that schools are for nookie:

Psycho lunatic.

is "snogging" a lesbian thing?

[JohnnyReb]

Well, THAT was a logical slapdown. Still, FirstLight is adamant that schools are for nookie:

Tookie was a rookie at nookie.

[dane]

I think there seems to be too much treatment of school like a job site and training ground rather than recognizing the social aspect has importance too...
School can be considered training for the job site.  Students learn time limits, punctuality, need for completion of assigned tasks...

The kids are being policed to the point that they are not allowed to even have normal social relationships...Let the kids have social relationships OUTSIDE of school. That works fairly well on most job sites.  Let them concentrate on school work while in school

and yes, friends (or more) hugging, holding hands, or walking to class with your arm on their shoulder should NOT be a punishable offense. My god , we are teaching kids that it's not okay to touch now?No, we are, or should be, teaching them there are limits and boundaries

[Karin]

What's ridiculous is that she had to make it all-gay-all-the-time.  There is nothing wrong with the school's policy for 6-8th grade.  Reputations are being formed at this age, too. 

[BannedFromDU]

What's ridiculous is that she had to make it all-gay-all-the-time.  There is nothing wrong with the school's policy for 6-8th grade.  Reputations are being formed at this age, too. 

Because all gay kids are not only sure they're gay by the 6th grade, but they're totally confident about it.

[Aristotelian]

They insist that children should be allowed to explore their sexuality from the earliest possible ages.

They insist that parents cannot be allowed to be responsible for their own children (contraceptives and abortions without parental notification).

They insist on teaching children about sex years and years before they're able to comprehend the emotional issues which go with it.

Then they wonder why rates of teen pregnancy are high.

[AprilRazz]

is "snogging" a lesbian thing?

British slang for kissing/making out

[lastparker]

They insist that children should be allowed to explore their sexuality from the earliest possible ages.

They insist that parents cannot be allowed to be responsible for their own children (contraceptives and abortions without parental notification).

They insist on teaching children about sex years and years before they're able to comprehend the emotional issues which go with it.

Then they wonder why rates of teen pregnancy are high.

Exactly.  So..... kids should be able to "snog" at will in school, but my employer is still well within his rights to frown upon me throwing my husband a bang on the lobby sofa on my lunch hour?  Got it.

[67 Rover]

My god , we are teaching kids that it's not okay to touch now?

Probably. You know because that will lead to intimacy and then onto the Principals office for a ride to the abortion mill.

[ExGeeEye]

is "snogging" a lesbian thing?

It's an English, and therefore snooty liberal, thing.

We called it "making out."

Grandma called it "petting". 

[Mr Mannn]

You guys have it all wrong.

Snogging is when you are cuddled together and one of you giggles, and then starts snorting. This makes the other one laugh and they start snorting too.
--pretty soon the two of you sound like a pair of piggies rooting in the mud.

Its pretty innocent, but the sound grosses other people out. Hence the phrase, "Get a room!" was born.

Now in older men, it often gets wrongly applied. They can get in romantic situation, start giggling and let go a series of farts. But the older woman stops laughing, slugs him, and kicks him outa bed. This led to the invention of the couch. But don't be misled, this isn't snogging at all.

[movie buff]

That PDA ban was always the case, certainly when I was a middle schooler in the mid- late 90's.

LWolf does an excellent job shooting down the OP's claims that (As is typical for an ultra- liberal's insane rants) it's REALLY all about just homophobia.

The only uses the Left have for children involve using them as political props, brainwashing them into becoming future Democrats, and (As seen here) sexualizing them at increasingly younger ages.

[JohnnyReb]

That PDA ban was always the case, certainly when I was a middle schooler in the mid- late 90's.

LWolf does an excellent job shooting down the OP's claims that (As is typical for an ultra- liberal's insane rants) it's REALLY all about just homophobia.

The only uses the Left have for children involve using them as political props, brainwashing them into becoming future Democrats, and (As seen here) sexualizing them at increasingly younger ages.

To lower the voting age to 18 the liberals said, "Old enough to fight, old enough to vote"....so next time to lower the voting age to 12 they will say, "Old enough to screw old enough to vote".

then will come.....

Old enough to go to school.

then

Old enough to walk.

then

Old enough to breath.

then

Yo momma didn't abort you before 4 weeks.

[AllosaursRus]

To lower the voting age to 18 the liberals said, "Old enough to fight, old enough to vote"....so next time to lower the voting age to 12 they will say, "Old enough to screw old enough to vote".

then will come.....

Old enough to go to school.

then

Old enough to walk.

then

Old enough to breath.

then

Yo momma didn't abort you before 4 weeks.

Ah, that's why DUmmie wominz get to vote more than once! Learn sumpin' new every day around here!

[DefiantSix]

...The only uses the Left have for children involve using them as political props, brainwashing them into becoming future Democrats, and (As seen here) sexualizing them at increasingly younger ages.

Toddlers are sexy now, apparently...

[AllosaursRus]

What sick **** named that little costume? Little girls like to play dressup, but this sure looks like some Pedo has ulterior motives!

[DefiantSix]

What sick **** named that little costume? Little girls like to play dressup, but this sure looks like some Pedo has ulterior motives!

What I want to know is who the sick bastard is at Walmart who thought it was a good marketing decision to sell this at their stores with THAT name on it.

[I_B_Perky]

When I saw the title I thought PDA meant Personal Digital Assistant.   


Damn!!! I'm getting old!!