Taverner promotes Marxism

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023648214

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

Star Member Taverner (54,546 posts)

Why Marx was Right
Marx was right. Seriously, he was

Did you read Das Kapital?

I did. And then I read it again

Then I read reviews of it, because let's admit it. Karl Marx was not the best writer in the world

I come from the journalistic tradition, like Hemingway

Keep it Simple, Sir

Anyway, Marx says that the workers will gain power through the dialectic, that is communication

He also predicts every bust/boom that happens in Capitalism

MBA students are studying Marx to avoid pitfalls in Capitalism

This is because he predicted it better than any economist before him

All based on Hegel

It doesn't happen all at once, but the communication eventually communicates class consciousness.

This is the key - realizing you are part of a class, and you will be lower than the 1%, as long as they can help it. Now think about any liberation movement - whether civil rights, anti-apartheid or the American labor movement.

Once they got organized, they went out and antagonized their oppressors so much, they gave them a few things in recognition for their slavery

Sometimes this lifted that group out of slavery, sometimes it didn't

But as long as a group is oppressed, they will complain about said slavery

Thus, it is important that class consciousness happens

As they say, the first rule about holes. When you realize you are in one, stop digging

We are in a hole, and various groups are starting to realize this

They will fight for their group's rights, and eventually, as long as we keep vigilant, we will move forward towards a more egalitarian system

The problem is that the 1% do not want to give this up. They want to continue to rule like kings.

So it takes vigilance. The American Labor Movement has been stymied since the 1970s

As every last one of us is a worker, we should combine our forces and work towards this goal, so that the progress of history continues towards where it should go, rather than where it shouldn't

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:18 PM

Star Member rug (50,984 posts)
2. He's still right.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:13 PM

Star Member Taverner (54,546 posts)
7. You need a Social Democracy before you go to Socialism

Engels even said so!

Most people don't know the post-Soviet history of Friedrich Engels.

He actually went on to inspire the Social Democrats of Germany.

No one, as of yet, has disputed this.

I was under the impression from reading post regarding history from the DUmmies that Social Democrats of Germany were a rethuglian faction!!!

Say it ain't so.

This was the post that I wanted to bring over to expose what they really think of the nazi political machine. They are not as opposed to it as they would have you believe.

Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:25 PM

One of the 99 (989 posts)
10. If you're refering to Groucho, then I agree. nt

 

[98ZJUSMC]

From someone who mainlines Drano.  What a mish-mash of stupid and outright delusion.  Marx never predicted anything.

Idiot.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

These little faggots don't even make good Marxists. Marx said:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

All these assholes do is sit around claiming they have needs. When was the last time a commie pusstard stood up and said, "I have the means and I willingly give to those in need!"

Like all evil people you're too ******* arrogant to actually work for the thing you claim you want. You're lying to yourselves as much as you're lying to us.

[GOBUCKS]

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:09 PM
Star Member Taverner (54,546 posts)

Karl Marx was not the best writer in the world

I come from the journalistic tradition, like Hemingway

Yeah Kregel, like most nodding intravenous drug addicts, your writing falls right into the Hemingway category.

[dandi]

These little faggots don't even make good Marxists. Marx said:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

All these assholes do is sit around claiming they have needs. When was the last time a commie pusstard stood up and said, "I have the means and I willingly give to those in need!"

Like all evil people you're too ******* arrogant to actually work for the thing you claim you want. You're lying to yourselves as much as you're lying to us.

That's right. I'm still not seeing them out there forming the collective farms and factories and doing the work expected of the individual through Marxism. Their version of Socialism involves merely a massive transfer of wealth from the achievers to the parasites. They have no plan beyond that, no method of sustaining themselves after the money's spent, except possibly allow the wealthy to become wealthy again by repeating the things that got them there to begin with, then pulling another confiscation while the parasites continue what made them parasites to begin with. Lather, rinse, repeat, until the achievers figure what the hell and stop bothering.

What DUmbasses call class struggle is really all about childish envy. If they don't have it then no one else should. Even if "the rich" losing it wouldn't put one more dime in their pockets, they'd still be all about taking it away, just because it's so unfair. Everyone should be equally miserable. It's an adolescent mindset they never grow out of.

[Gern]

...And what do you think this little missive of yours will accomplish?

...



...


....Nothing.

Like all the other pointless anti-capitalistic "workers unite" screeds penned daily on the Internet.


Nothing.

[I_B_Perky]

That's right. I'm still not seeing them out there forming the collective farms and factories and doing the work expected of the individual through Marxism. Their version of Socialism involves merely a massive transfer of wealth from the achievers to the parasites. They have no plan beyond that, no method of sustaining themselves after the money's spent, except possibly allow the wealthy to become wealthy again by repeating the things that got them there to begin with, then pulling another confiscation while the parasites continue what made them parasites to begin with. Lather, rinse, repeat, until the achievers figure what the hell and stop bothering.

That is cause they have a waaaay overinflated opinion of themselves. They think they will be in an big office pontificating upon things that we under educated rethugs do not have the brain power to pontificate on.

I would love nothing more than put all these losers on a spaceship and give them a nice brand new planet to make their utopia out of.

Ever seen section 8 housing? The result would be the same. I'd give it 2 months before they was all dead.

[obumazombie]

There are more than a few marxist societies that have collapsed under the weight of socialism. Detroit is the American version.

[Karin]

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:15 PM
econoclast (360 posts)
8. Why Marx is WRONG

I know Das Kapital is a fascinating read.

But

Marx is demonstrably WRONG

All of Das Kapital is dependent on ONE thing and one thing ONLY. It all hangs together or falls on its face depending on whether or not The Labor Theory of Value (ltv) is correct.

LTV is more fully developed in a slim volume called Value, Price and Profit

LTV is a theory of Marx's concerning how prices come about in an economy. LTV asserts that price comes from how much labor is contained in the thing being sold. Not from the interaction of supply and demand but ONLY from the amount of labor a thing contains.

And, unfortunately, LTV is just plain wrong. A trip to the mall will quickly convince you that it is wrong.

 

Of course LTV is just plain retarded.  Take a look at Judy Grasswipe's strawberry pie.  She could say "I spent all afternoon on it!  It must be worth $50 at least!"  You would have to pay someone to take it off her hands.  The garbage crew.

[Wineslob]

How is LTV wrong? The Chinese have cheap labor and cheap products.

Right?

[jukin]

Only the overwhelming success of hundreds of years of capitalism allows the DUchebags the ability to live without working.

[Mr Mannn]

Drug addicts and disability scammers will be the first to go in the Stalinist purge to come. There is no room for slackers in the New Marxist society. The number of DU posting do not count towards a cushy Marxist job.

[Tucker]

Drug addicts and disability scammers will be the first to go in the Stalinist purge to come. There is no room for slackers in the New Marxist society. The number of DU posting do not count towards a cushy Marxist job.

Followed closely by unionistas, teachers and politicians.

[Big Dog]

Followed closely by unionistas, teachers and politicians.

In the collectivist Utopia, there is room for all of the useful idiots up against the wall.


Last words: "Does Comrade Obama know of this?"

[zeitgeist]

Skinner needs to get a handle on this issue.  Lately the board has started to doubt the DNC/DLC line.  I ran across this thread which is actually a good companion read to this one for those interested:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023649395

and this one which was a I love Bernie Sanders (Commie VT) Bernie for President.  Oh hell yeah.  That'll sure solve things.


http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023653703


DUmmies don't have a clue what Corporatism (think Italy during the 30's) is and the majority are more than a little fuzzy on anarchy, communism, and socialism. What they do all seem to agree on is that Capitalism is bad even though they think Corporatism is actually Capitalism.  But they are wicked smart.  Just ask them. 

Each of the above threads is worth a read for those interested in the views of DUmmies who are members of THE HATE AMERIKA FIRST club.   Truly they are life's losers seeking to win by redistribution of the wealth of others.  Thieves by any other name plain and simple.

There are a few valiant efforts to explain things but as is always the case DUmmies know best.   

[Duke Nukum]

Okay, I'm no expert on this stuff but DUmmie Taverner clearly doesn't understand what the dielectric is. It is not communication. What it is is struggle. It is the Hegalian idea that one has Thesis which is confronted by Anti-thesis that leads to Synthesis through the struggle. Then the synthesis becomes the new thesis and the process starts again until, I guess eventually there is a thesis with no anti-thesis.

Which why, in 1984, Orwell shows language becoming more limited as an artificial way to reach this ultimate Hegalian state.

Anyway, Marx was paid to write his crap by the bankers as a way to placate the masses so the bankers certainly understood the ups and downs of the system they were creating.

Also, one of Marx's tomes that he is credited with Engals as writing, cannot remember which one, but Marx's name didn't appear on that book until 70 years after his death. So I guess he was that good after all.

[Duke Nukum]

The other think I like to remind Marxist idiots about is Marx and Engals were both virulent racists which is why liberalism is racist still today.

If Marx was such a genius on business cycles and beyond reproach then the liberal must accept his racism too.

[Tucker]

The other think I like to remind Marxist idiots about is Marx and Engals were both virulent racists which is why liberalism is racist still today.

If Marx was such a genius on business cycles and beyond reproach then the liberal must accept his racism too.

Liberals are racists. Just a little more covert about their actions than they were during their KKK glory days.