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Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« on: June 20, 2008, 04:12:17 AM »
Seriously, if this dude (or dudette) didn't have a star and 1000+ posts...

The nakedinthebreeze DUmmy gets the ball rolling with another of its patented "Welcome To Fascist America" squeals:

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 09:43 PM
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The corporate take over of this country is over 
 Advertisements [?]we call that fascism...

And "our leaders" enabled this

That is all

Followed by a lot of nodding heads and murmurs of agreement from the choir, until...

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Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 09:53 PM
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6. There's quite a bit left to lose.

Oh no you di'int. Surely you're not implying there's a difference in the U.S. today and Nazi Germany?

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 09:54 PM
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8. Citizen please do review the fourteen points of fascism 
 or the excellent work by Naomi Wolf

The time is almost over
 
 alyce douglas  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 09:56 PM
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12. haven't we reached all fourteen points of fascism now.

Yeah, don't you know we're dooooooomed?

Apparently not:

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Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 10:02 PM
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16. The "fourteen points" were drawn up to make a point about our current government.

They are not used in any context but to declare America fascist. You will not find any use of that term and those "points," except when as applied by Western liberals (and occasionally extreme libertarians) to George W. Bush. They're no more useful or more meaningful than any of the hysterical right-wing claims of American "socialism" or "anti-Christianity."

Okay, you're upsetting the apple cart here.

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 10:08 PM
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18. You sure of that? Here is a little history lesson for you 
 Proffesor Britt wrote these things in reference to GERMANY AND ITALY...

NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).

By the way I will recomend that you also consult

They thought they were free as well
 
.....

(Followed by a buncha shit from some leftwing asshole academic)


OB strikes again:

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Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 10:12 PM
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21. Yes, he wrote them in reference to Germany and Italy, to make a point about America.
 You will not find any--and I mean any--use of them anywhere in academia, in political life, in anywhere whatsoever, excepting when angry liberals and libertarians get hyperbolic and call Bush a fascist.

The nakedinthebreeze DUmmy explains to this simpleton why he really should be shittin' nickels in fear:

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 10:19 PM
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25. So do tell me exactly how we are not that close 
 and many observers don't agree with you

I also notice you ignored the little reference to they thought they were free

I guess you still think you are free since you can still ahem, post.

The fourth amendment was gutted today, the only reason we have the great writi are five justices in the USSC

Yes, it is THIS CLOSE

Enjoy this so-called freedom and the illusion while you can

Oh and I now fully realize how the few who were awake felt in the germany of 1938



Oh wait, they are on my team... who cares?

If you have cable tune in to Countown Turley coming up

But OB seems calm. How can that be?:

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Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 10:31 PM
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29. "Many observers?" I suppose they're allowed to disagree.
 It's a free country, after all.
 
 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 10:38 PM
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38. And if you prefer to live with the illusion that the ills in government and society
 Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 10:39 PM by Occam Bandage
are new and interesting developments, then go for it.

OB skates perilously close to defending Bush:

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 10:43 PM
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41. Not even Adams suspended the Fought Amendment 
 thanks for playing

Nor did he even try to go after the Great Writ
 
Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-19-08 10:51 PM
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46. Nope. Neither has Bush. Bush has declared that the Constitution does not hold jurisdiction
over a type of person that did not exist in American law before 2001. Some justices believe he is correct. Fortunately, more believe he is incorrect. (If you're looking to declare Bush fascist, I'm not sure why you'd point to a situation in which he was soundly rebuffed by the Supreme Court. Dictators don't usually let the courts tie their hands.)

If you want to claim corporate takeover, though, you're a bit late to the party. That happened back in the late 1800s. You might have just noticed it, though. Everyone thinks things they discover are new and interesting.

It goes back and forth like this for a while, with other choir members chiming in, most notably the Tom Paine DUmmy. Then suddenly, OB receives reinforcements:

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MonkeyFunk  (1000+ posts)       Thu Jun-19-08 11:52 PM
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63. Why on earth do you still live here
 if you're convinced that we've become a fascist country?
 
Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Fri Jun-20-08 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #63
70. OP likes to claim a kinship with politically-aware Germans in the 1930s.

I, too, wonder why OP doesn't follow in their footsteps and emigrate. Unlike in Nazi Germany, it is quite easy to do so.

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)       Fri Jun-20-08 12:11 AM
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75. It WAS in Nazi Germany UNTIL 1937 
Oh well...

And seriously, why is it that the DENIAL crowd cannot see what is in front of their ****ing noses?

I forget, Hitler took over and all the camps were opened overnight... POOF...

MonkeyFunk  (1000+ posts)       Fri Jun-20-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #75
85. well if you feel that way
you really should get the hell out of here. I don't know how you can stand it here.
 
Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Fri Jun-20-08 12:27 AM
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87. I can only wonder why someone would willingly stay in a country they believed was fascist.

More back and forth. Then OB pretty much sums up the whole BDS mindset:

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Mr_Jefferson_24  (1000+ posts)       Fri Jun-20-08 12:54 AM
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104. So rather than dispute... 
 ...that conditions in the U.S. now satisfy the 14 points of fascism, you simply dismiss them as not meaningful?

Not very compelling, Occam, and not very surprising either.
 
 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Fri Jun-20-08 12:57 AM
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106. Sure, they "satisfy" them. So do most governments. They're meaningless.

It's the political equivalent of a horoscope--it's meant for people to look at it and go, 'wow, this applies especially well!'

More reinforcements arrive. The NeedleCast DUmmy delivers a sharp jab:

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NeedleCast  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-20-08 01:32 AM
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135. The Results and Posts In your Hyperbolic OPs
 are only as predictable as your weekly doom and gloom thread.

I agree that the responses of many who disagree with you are totally predictable. Mostly because they're right.

I'd propose that instead of starting another OMG FASCISM thread every week or couple of weeks that you just print a few out and read them to yourself when the urge to tell us all how far we've fallen down the well of fascism comes upon you. You can pat yourself on the back for your incredible insight and be secure in the knowledge that if you had really posted a thread, that the people who disagree would all just make a bunch of predictable responses. That way you don't have to fret over the predictableness of all the ignorant savages responding to you.

I predict your response will be to point out that my response is predictable, so I'm off to bed.

by the way, there is this little oath some of us took about enemies both foreign and domestic, take your cue of what that means... and look up the word HONOR in the dictionary.

Mmmmmm, I do love it when you get all GI-Joe though. As I've said before, your obvious desire for there to be fascism here so you can oppose it is...interesting.

A moderately long thread, worth reading for all the DUmmydrama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3486999#3487060
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
 
 

 
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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 04:53:47 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised to see a few moles in that--on both sides.
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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 06:10:26 AM »
The obsession with calling the US a facist country is nothing more then to build in their pitiful primitive minds another excuse for their lives being failures.

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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 07:37:41 AM »
More than that, they want to be 'heroes' for 'resisting facism' to give meaning to their shallow and meaningless lives.  They are seeking the validation and respect that they cannot and do not receive outside of the internet.

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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 07:39:52 AM »
The Zbigniew primitive, this "brzezinski" primitive, is an interesting study.

At first, I used to think the primitive was a femme.

Now it appears it's one screen-name for a pair, a wife and husband, or a significant and a significant other.

There are definitely two, but it could be one person, two personalities, that sort of mental problem.

It looks possible--I'm not saying this is the case, I'm saying it's possible, nothing more--the Zbigniew primitive came here as a "refugee" from the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants, maybe perhaps 25-30 years ago.

While there have been of course legitimate refugees here from the totalitarian countries, less desirable elements slipped through the cracks too.

I give you, for example, the lala_rawraw primitive, from Ukraine.  When her parents lived there under socialist rule, they were members of the Communist party, enjoying many benefits and privileges denied Soviet citizens not Communists.  They also hid their Judiac derivation, as if ashamed of being descended from possibly the finest people to grace this world.

But then when the Soviets started allowing those of Judaic derivation to emigrate, suddenly the lala_rawraw family became "Jewish."  They were supposed to go to Israel, but upon reaching Vienna, traded those airplane tickets for tickets to come here instead.

There are many here now who were legitimate bona fide refugees fleeing the socialist paradise of the workers and peasants--and I personally know many of them--but some bad ones slipped in too.

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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 07:40:49 AM »
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154. You think this is FUN?!? You think we are juveniles playing games?
   
I have long ago ceased to give a fig about being "cool". FUN?!? My God, what I wouldn't give to live in pre-2000 America just for one day! What I wouldn't give to not give a shit about politics again, confident the system was working well without me having to bother with citizen particpiation!

I'd like to say more, but your clueless and juvenile comment warrants no more wasted time on my part.

Oh the drama!

What I wouldn't give to be living in pre-2000 America for just one day? WTF?
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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 07:48:15 AM »
Oh the drama!

What I wouldn't give to be living in pre-2000 America for just one day? WTF?

The pained primitive is a certifiable hysteric.
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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 09:37:25 AM »
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154. You think this is FUN?!? You think we are juveniles playing games...

No,I think it is funny and yes you are juveniles trying to play in an adult world of which you have no comprehension or concept.

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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 10:36:51 AM »
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154. You think this is FUN?!? You think we are juveniles playing games?
   
I have long ago ceased to give a fig about being "cool". FUN?!? My God, what I wouldn't give to live in pre-2000 America just for one day! What I wouldn't give to not give a shit about politics again, confident the system was working well without me having to bother with citizen particpiation!

I'd like to say more, but your clueless and juvenile comment warrants no more wasted time on my part.

Before 2000 life was grand in America.

Since 2000 life is terrible in America.

Tom Paine apparently didn't participate before 2000.

Tom Paine does participate since 2000.

I think if you plug the above into an equation the answer would be: Tom Paine has made America terrible.
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Re: Occam Bandage vs. The Alarmists
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 04:04:47 PM »
The 14 points of Dogness

1 ) though most dogs have hair, Some are bald or have bald spots
2 ) most dogs have two eyes and ears, one nose and one tongue
3 ) dogs have toenails that keep growing, and unless they are trimmed, they become uncomforatable and might break
4 ) dogs usually come in either the male or female sex
5 ) they have a stomach, intestines, a heart, and a pair of lungs
6 ) dogs come in different sizes, shapes and colors
7 ) dogs like to eat and drink - as a matter of fact, its an essential part of a dogs life
8 ) dogs also like to breathe oxygen from the air
9 ) when a dog gets tired, it takes a nap, and sometimes, you can tell when they are dreaming.
10 ) dogs often enjoy leisure time - some play games while others like to explore others still like to relax
11 ) dogs have different attitudes. Some are friendly and good mannered, others have short fuses and are temperamental
12 ) some female dogs become mothers, and raise their offspring.
13 ) sadly some dogs abandon their offspring as well.
14 ) almost every dog loves a good scratch

Now, what other species do these points remind you of ? Thats right ! <<YOU>> just might be a dog too!!!111!!11one!1