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Offline Carl

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UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« on: August 21, 2013, 03:45:55 PM »
Posting this here and then asking it be moved to the "own it" thread but wanted lurking DUmbasses to see what reality is.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/21/ups-healthcare-idUSL2N0GM14820130821?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=43

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NEW YORK | Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:31pm EDT

Aug 21 (Reuters) - United Parcel Service Inc has told non-union employees their spouses will no longer be eligible for company-sponsored health insurance if they can get coverage through their own jobs, blaming the decision on President Barack Obama's healthcare reform law.

In a memo to employees reported on Wednesday by Kaiser Health News and USA Today, the package-delivery giant said that of the approximately 33,000 spouses who are currently covered by UPS's health plan, about 15,000 will be thrown off. The company employs about 77,000 people.

The company said in the memo that it considered increasing the premium paid by its employees to help retain spousal coverage, but "we believe your spouse should be covered by their own employer," because "the Affordable Care Act requires employers to provide affordable coverage."

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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 04:31:13 PM »
Is this the "keeping the plan you like" or is this the "your premiums will go down $2500" part of King Barky the Liar?
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 05:58:53 PM »
Here's a good DUmp thread in regards to the issue.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023505287
Incriminations, accusations, speculations.  :panic:
Well worth reading over.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 06:02:50 PM »
You know what is worst  :-) UPS is unionized. It will be interesting to see what the non-union shop Fed-X does.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 06:09:33 PM »
Quote from: jukin on August 21, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
You know what is worst  :-) UPS is unionized. It will be interesting to see what the non-union shop Fed-X does.
They went Teamsters, late 97, early 98, as I recall.
I'm curious about FedEx myself.  Might prove interesting.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 08:23:20 PM »
Quote from: jukin on August 21, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
You know what is worst  :-) UPS is unionized. It will be interesting to see what the non-union shop Fed-X does.

The unions have been bitching lately that ObamaCare is going to hurt their members.  Tough shit, they supported it, now they can

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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 08:26:19 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on August 21, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
The unions have been bitching lately that ObamaCare is going to hurt their members.  Tough shit, they supported it, now they can

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Seeing the writing on the wall, I just moved the entire family from the wife's plan to mine. I'm close enough to the government beast to be insulated from its attacks (at this time) .
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 08:50:22 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on August 21, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
The unions have been bitching lately that ObamaCare is going to hurt their members.  Tough shit, they supported it, now they can

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They want waivers now.  I find that interesting.
Perhaps the entire population needs a waiver from that shit sandwich.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 08:51:56 PM »
Quote from: miskie on August 21, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
Seeing the writing on the wall, I just moved the entire family from the wife's plan to mine. I'm close enough to the government beast to be insulated from its attacks (at this time) .

My company has been doing this for years.  If a spouse works and is covered by their employer, then they aren't covered through our insurance.  Nothing to do with ObamaCare, though.

Quote from: Skul on August 21, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
They want waivers now.  I find that interesting.
Perhaps the entire population needs a waiver from that shit sandwich.

So far it looks like the only parts of ObamaCare that will go into effect is the individual mandate.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 09:11:28 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on August 21, 2013, 08:51:56 PM
My company has been doing this for years.  If a spouse works and is covered by their employer, then they aren't covered through our insurance.  Nothing to do with ObamaCare, though.

So far it looks like the only parts of ObamaCare that will go into effect is the individual mandate.

Every where I have ever worked in benefits, we have priced employee + spouse higher, in order to "push" spouses to stay on their own insurance.  It's all about decreasing risk.  I have worked for companies that have wanted to institute policies like this, but no one ever did.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 09:22:17 PM »
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

And if you don't like what Barry is sticking in your mouths, I'm sure you DUmmies out there will be able to convince yourselves that it's something very yummy.

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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 11:18:22 PM »
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" because "the Affordable Care Act requires employers to provide affordable coverage."

Uh-huh......

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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 11:43:54 PM »
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" because "the Affordable Care Act requires employers to provide affordable coverage."

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Uh-huh......

....amazing. (Not really)

Obamacare requires insurance policies to cover so much BS that the policies will be anything but affordable.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2013, 01:20:29 AM »
Had enough good wtiskey that matb I better call ita night.
awww screw it,
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2013, 08:43:43 AM »
Quote from: Skul on August 21, 2013, 05:58:53 PM
Here's a good DUmp thread in regards to the issue.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023505287
Incriminations, accusations, speculations.  :panic:
Well worth reading over.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #22)
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:53 PM
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31. Cadillac plan?

Never heard of such a thing. What is that?
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50. "Cadillac" plans are plans exceeding cost limits above which employers pay a penalty

Americans with so-called "Cadillac" employer-sponsored health plans may feel pinched soon because employers fear the impact of a fresh wave of government taxes on them, The Fiscal Times reported.

Under the Affordable Care Act, employers will have to pay an excise tax on plans that cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family. An employer would have to pay a 40 percent tax on the cost each plan above those levels.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/Obamacare-employer-plan-Cadillac/2013/08/16/id/520742
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53. Newsmax? Really?

That is your source? Do you read them often?
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55. Do you even understand the basics of the ACA?

 
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57. Well yes Kitten I do

Did I post something against the ACA? No I did not. Why are you asking me this?
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59. If you don't like that source, use Google yourself...

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (as amended by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010) imposes an annual excise tax on plans with premiums exceeding $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for a family (not including vision and dental benefits) starting in 2018.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_insurance_plan


Although the tax does not start until 2018, employers say they have to start now to meet the deadline and they are doing whatever they can to bring down the cost of their plans. Under the law, an employer or health insurer offering a plan that costs more than $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family would typically pay a 40 percent excise tax on the amount exceeding the threshold.

“I’m actually much more focused on the Cadillac tax in 2018 than on 2014,” Steve First, a benefits executive at Pfizer, said at a recent meeting of employers. “For us, 2018 is a challenge.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/cadillac-tax-health-insurance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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61. I did use Goggle I was asking why you used that source

The other sources are just as RW as the first. You seem to think that quoting a "benefits" director at Pfizer is nicer? Sorry, not interested in their bullshit.



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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2013, 08:51:16 AM »
There is no god but Allah Obama and ACA is his holy book.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
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61. I did use Goggle I was asking why you used that source

The other sources are just as RW as the first. You seem to think that quoting a "benefits" director at Pfizer is nicer? Sorry, not interested in their bullshit


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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2013, 09:54:59 AM »
It's working out about as good as rent control in New York.
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Re: UPS cuts health coverage for spouses with other insurance option
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 10:18:03 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on August 22, 2013, 09:54:59 AM
It's working out about as good as rent control in New York.

Working out pretty good for the old racist and tax cheat Charlie Rangel.
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