"WE'RE BUILDING A DOMESTIC ARMY" -Marine Corps Colonel Speaks Out

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Star Member Segami (6,308 posts)

"WE'RE BUILDING A DOMESTIC ARMY" -Marine Corps Colonel Speaks Out

   
 


Marine Corp Colonel speaks out at a local council meeting about the militarization of our police forces on 08/12/13 at 41 Green St, Concord, NH 03301.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

- President Obama, Colorado, July 2, 2008

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023464864

Star Member defacto7 (3,854 posts)
1. Sure... let's bring our wars home, shall we.

Let's expand the war state by making sure it's right here where we see, hear and feel it for ourselves.

sarc.

Star Member RC (22,859 posts)
13. That will change minds when they start using drones to blow up people and neighborhoods here.

I wonder how many domestic terrorists that will generate? The war on terror could go on for decades, just in this country.

pnwmom (45,633 posts)
80. I would like to see a source for the Obama quote from a legitimate member of the media.

I've just been through 10 pages of googling and didn't see a single source except for right wing sites (and this DU thread). If Obama said this, I'd expect some people on the other end of the spectrum to have been objecting.

Gee wonder why that wasn't on every tee vee in the nation. 

pnwmom (45,633 posts)
83. Thank you. It turns out that context is everything. The context is he wanted to expand Americorps,

which explains why people like Maddow weren't criticizing him for this five years ago.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

Like leftists are going to volunteer and do any work.

Star Member pscot (14,851 posts)
2. Jesus ****!

I can't believe I voted for this guy twice.

You would vote a third time for him if he could run again.

cheapdate (689 posts)
20. I'm not afraid of Al Qaeda.

But large numbers of my fellow Americans brains have been conditioned through endless repetition of "terror" and "the war on terror".

I didn't watch the video in the OP. Marine colonels are sometimes, but not always, full of shit.

Militarization is a real concern, though.

Yeah those tea party people are the ones you should be afraid of.

Star Member leveymg (27,981 posts)
3. The country is going broke and destroying the Constitution twice as fast with two powerful groups

of heavily armed gladiators.

Star Member leftstreet (23,453 posts)
8. +1 We've got the circuses, where's our bread?

EBT cards is where your bread is.

Star Member Warpy (70,759 posts)
7. Good. I've been screaming about it for 40 years

and people have dismissed me as some sort of crazy person.

Can you hear me now?

You are a crazy person.

Faryn Balyncd (3,937 posts)
9. This retired Colonel should run for Congress & restore the Constitution.




Who is he?

I can't find any links that name him.

But he has the values we need if we are to save our democracy.

If he could restore our Constitution he would be hated like crazy by you goons.

Lots of crying and whining from the DUmmies and every one of them idiots happily voted for this twice.

[JohnnyReb]

Might be a mole trap with the negative goodness sprinkled all around by Skinner & co. as delicious bait.

[NHSparky]

Lemme let you in on a little secret, DUmmies--up here in Cow Hampshire we're not all agog about having cops with automatic weapons and Urban Assault Vehicles.  About the worst we get from the locals is a few college kids who like their weed or some guy poaching deer or turkey a bit early.  Most of the violent criminals come from out of state, and if you think I'm FOS, look it up.

And NO, the cops ANYWHERE don't need to be as well armed as the military.  If people were allowed to defend themselves without fear of being charged for it, you'd see a lot of potential criminals going, "**** this, it ain't worth it."

Get the point?

[obumazombie]

Lemme let you in on a little secret, DUmmies--up here in Cow Hampshire we're not all agog about having cops with automatic weapons and Urban Assault Vehicles.  About the worst we get from the locals is a few college kids who like their weed or some guy poaching deer or turkey a bit early.  Most of the violent criminals come from out of state, and if you think I'm FOS, look it up.

And NO, the cops ANYWHERE don't need to be as well armed as the military.  If people were allowed to defend themselves without fear of being charged for it, you'd see a lot of potential criminals going, "**** this, it ain't worth it."

Get the point?

Yes, even before the Zimmerman case made it even more ultra clear.

[txradioguy]

Lemme let you in on a little secret, DUmmies--up here in Cow Hampshire we're not all agog about having cops with automatic weapons and Urban Assault Vehicles.  About the worst we get from the locals is a few college kids who like their weed or some guy poaching deer or turkey a bit early.  Most of the violent criminals come from out of state, and if you think I'm FOS, look it up.

And NO, the cops ANYWHERE don't need to be as well armed as the military.  If people were allowed to defend themselves without fear of being charged for it, you'd see a lot of potential criminals going, "**** this, it ain't worth it."

Get the point?

QFT

[98ZJUSMC]

pnwmom (45,633 posts)
80. I would like to see a source for the Obama quote from a legitimate member of the media.

I've just been through 10 pages of googling and didn't see a single source except for right wing sites (and this DU thread). If Obama said this, I'd expect some people on the other end of the spectrum to have been objecting.

Heh.......

Stupid primitive.

Faryn Balyncd (3,937 posts)
9. This retired Colonel should run for Congress & restore the Constitution.

Uh-huh.  How's the second grade going?

Star Member pscot (14,851 posts)
2. Jesus ****!

I can't believe I voted for this guy twice.

There is a multitude of reasons why you're a mouth-breathing, synaptically-challenged primitive.  This is just reason 6 out of 7,398.

[txradioguy]

pnwmom (45,633 posts)
80. I would like to see a source for the Obama quote from a legitimate member of the media.

I've just been through 10 pages of googling and didn't see a single source except for right wing sites (and this DU thread). If Obama said this, I'd expect some people on the other end of the spectrum to have been objecting.

Then you suck at Google searching.  This was the third search result when you look for "Obama we need to build a domestic army"

Since you don't believe the printed quotes...listen for yourself as Obama says what you're lying eyes refuse to believe.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tt2yGzHfy7s[/youtube]

[DefiantSix]

Then you suck at Google searching.  This was the third search result...

Apparently gNads needs to start those refresher courses on how to nadin information back up again.

[txradioguy]

Apparently gNads needs to start those refresher courses on how to nadin information back up again.

True.  But then again we're assuming the DUmmie really did a Google search and isn't lying about it.

[vesta111]

Lemme let you in on a little secret, DUmmies--up here in Cow Hampshire we're not all agog about having cops with automatic weapons and Urban Assault Vehicles.  About the worst we get from the locals is a few college kids who like their weed or some guy poaching deer or turkey a bit early.  Most of the violent criminals come from out of state, and if you think I'm FOS, look it up.

And NO, the cops ANYWHERE don't need to be as well armed as the military.  If people were allowed to defend themselves without fear of being charged for it, you'd see a lot of potential criminals going, "**** this, it ain't worth it."

Get the point?

Ah but Sparky, you have not taken the schools into consideration that may train students in to the so called protection of our Nation. 

The fear of others that think differently, or any kind of any non PC that they may feel of outsiders.


A child's right to eat a ham and cheese sandwich is over come by those that object to it.    Take the kid into training to learn that others rights to object are over ridden  for them, the kids must now eat non pork lunches because 3 others object to it.

Piss me off, the enemy is going for the school children, this is where the enemy starts, to  dig in and train the kids.

When in Rome do as the Romans do. Not so with our enemy's    They just come marching in and expect by our country's laws to take over to change it to their laws.

If my child got in trouble for eating a ham sandwich because of other students complaining, buy golly I would be not just outraged but move the whole family to the outback of Australia.    Better to live on a sheep ranch and go to school on Ham radio then to watch my child in America become a slave to the Muslims.

[Dori]

pnwmom (45,633 posts)
80. I would like to see a source for the Obama quote from a legitimate member of the media.

You mean legitimate as in MSNBC?   

[Wineslob]

We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

What, DUmmies? Don't like Obummers idea of having to work? FOR NOTHING? Idiots.

[Karin]

Response to pscot (Reply #2)
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:09 PM
 Ed Suspicious (1,501 posts)
15. Yeah, I'm feeling sick over it. I've spent my time and energy and reputation putting on the line

telling my right wing relatives and acquaintances that Obama was good people. Their fears were completely irrational and foolish is what I told them. Who looks the fool now. 

[zeitgeist]

I confess to reading this earlier a the DUmp and vacillated about bringing it over for its comedic value. I went back to the DUmp later to see how it was progressing (pun intended) and found this post which I feel merits special attention by our military historians or others favorable disposed to comment on the  Howard Zinn_ess of it all.

Star Member happyslug (11,089 posts)

89. Domestic Army? That is what the Militia is for!!!!
 
Under Federal Law, every male between the ages of 18 and 45 NOT in actual Military services OR a member of the National Guard or Army Reserve, is member of the "Reserve Militia". The term "Reserve Militia" was adopted so that the National Guard, when it came under Federal Control under the Dick Act of 1903 could be called "Militia". Prior to the passage of the Dick Act (and the adoption of the present system for the National Guard) the only Federal Law that governed the Militia was the Militia Act of 1795. The Militia Act of 1795 required all males between the ages of 18 and 45 to be member of actual Militia units.

The problem was, once the Indian threat ended with the end of the war of 1812, States north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon line, who under the Militia Act of 1795, were suppose to form these Militia units. decided to lower the fine for not showing up for Militia drill so that more people would opt to pay the fine. The States preferred the revenue from the fines then in maintaining the Militia. By the 1830s, states were getting upset, some people actual would show up for drills, even if the fine was quite low. The States solved this problem by making the Fine a Head tax, that people had to pay even if they showed up for drills.

Now, the slave states retained their Militia long after the North had all but abolished they Militia units. The reason was that Militia duty was tied in with the "Sheriff's Patrol". The "Sheriff Patrol" was a requirement that all free men of an area would patrol certain key points to prevent crime (In the North Robbery, in the South Slave escaping). In the North, most Sheriff's did not do the patrol for they view it as a waste of time. In the South, the Sheriff's patrol was the key to keep slaves in their place. Any African American walking on the roads that ran into a Patrol (Who tended to be at certain intersections) had to show he had a legitimate reason to be on the road. If Not the patrol could arrest the African American (and do anything else they wanted to the African American, including killing the African American. If a Patrol killed a slave, the county reimbursed the owner for the loss).

Now, even in the Colonial period some people in the Colonies wanted to be a member of a higher class of Militia then the General Militia. These people form clubs with other people with similar ideas. They had uniforms made and purchased arms. As the Northern Militia declined after 1812, such clubs expanded. In 1835 when Lafayette visited the US, a New York City Club, came out in full dress to provide a military escort for Lafayette as he visited the US. That club called itself the "National Guard" in honor of the formation Lafayette had organized and lead during the French Revolution. Other similar clubs adopted the name National Guard to distinguish themselves from the regular Militia.

Since these National Guard Units were NOT authorized by Congress, the state could NOT technically adopt the National Guard as anything more then Clubs. That was the case up to and during the Civil War. During the Civil War, all of these clubs volunteered as units for Federal Service. The Federal Government needing Troops, accepted them, but sworn them in as new enlistees NOT as some sort of called up militia. At the end of the Civil War, the states in the North, wanted to maintain these units (and other units created by the States during the Civil War), for many up and coming politicians had served in them. The States organized them as units, without Federal permission, and called them they militia, even through the Federal Government did NOT change the Militia Act of 1795.

This caused a mess in the late 1800s. Under the US Constitution the only troops the State can have is the Militia, as organised by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OR State troops if a State is permitted to have State Troops by the Federal Government. The Militia as authorized by the Militia Act of 1795 had wither away, but the National Guard existed but the Federal Government had NEVER adopted it as Militia or State Troops. The State and Federal Courts bent over backward to come up with reasons the National Guard was the Militia, especially after the General Strike of 1877, which was only put down by use of the Regular Army AND the National Guard.

As I said, the courts bent over backward to rule that the National Guard was the Militia. One rationale was the Militia could be formed by the State, whenever the Federal Government had not done so. The problems was there was a Federal Law as to formation of the Militia, but after the General Strike of 1877, the states did NOT want a general militia, but a select militia. A Select militia is the term for a reserve unit that was loyal to its pay master NOT to the State or nation as a whole. This is unlike the Militia set forth in the Militia Act of 1795 which was a universal service Militia, i.e every one served, unless otherwise exempt, but no one was pay to serve.

This was the situation in 1903 when Theodore Roosevelt wanted to upgrade the US Military and form some sort of Army Reserve, as opposed to a universal service militia. Theodore Roosevelt wanted to preserve the National Guard, for he had served in it in previous years. On the other hand people wanted to retain the Universal nature of the Militia Act of 1795, for that is what the Congress that adopted the Bill of Rights (and the Second Amendment) AND it was passed within 7 years of the signing of the US Constitution, and thus members of that early Congress had a better idea of what the writers of the Constitution wanted, then we do today, for many of the writers of the Constitution served in that Congress (Please note the first Militia act was in 1792, before the adoption of the Bill of Rights, and within 3 years of the adoption of the US Constitution in 1789. The Constitution had been signed in 1787, but only passed by the needed number of states in 1789. Congress passed the Militia Act of 1792, then re-passed with corrections of some typos in 1795).

Thus the Dick Act had to address two issues, to make it clear that the National Guard was authorized by Congress as part of the Militia (and once authorized, even if a court ruled the National Guard was State Troops, such State Troops would have been authorized) AND to keep the universal service part of the Militia Act of 1795 (While getting rid of the obsolete details in that Act). Thus, today, the National Guard is part of the Militia, but so is the "Reserve Militia" of all males between 18 and 45. It is the reserve Militia that is our "Domestic Army" not the police, unless like the courts after the General Strike of 1877 want hired guns to put down majority protesters, as the National Guard tried to do (and did in many locations) in 1877.


Side note: When the North had effective Militia, from the founding of New England by the Puritans in 1630, till Tecumseh was killed in the Battle of the Thames in 1814, the New England Militia was as good, and at times better then regular troops. New York and New Jersey Militias were not as good, but could be effective. Pennsylvania did not have a Militia till 1758, but then its Militia became as good as New England Militia. On the other hand, the Militia from south of the Mason Dixon line, was inferior, almost useless. The reason for this, was it was rare for the men in the Southern Militia to train together (Which the New England Militia did every Sunday after Church), they primary function was the Sheriff's patrol NOT to train as a military unit. i.e. they main job was to beat up on African Americans NOT to fight an armed enemy. Such a Militia could be a good pool to draw recruits from, that can be trained as a military Unit (which it appears is what the South did, and the reason the South is viewed as having better soldiers in the first year of the Civil war), but lousy if called into actual combat, for it personnel had very little, if any training as a unit, as oppose to individuals (Thus the reports during the American Revolution about the "Useless Militia", a term ONLY used as to Militia south of the Mason Dixon line, the further south the more useless it was).


Side note: The people of the City of Pittsburgh, during the General Strike had supported the Strikers and this support extended to the Pittsburgh division of the Pennsylvania National Guard, when the Philadelphia National Guard had fired on strikers in Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Militia almost opened fire on the Philadelphia Militia. The Pittsburgh Militia was sent home while the strikers had opened fire on the Philadelphia Militia hold up in the Round House of the Pennsylvania Railroad. The strikers even brought up a Civil War Cannon to blast the Round House. The National Guard troops managed to keep people away from the cannon (by shooting then dead) and then marched out of town.

http://www.socialistappeal.org/uslaborhistory/great_railroad_strike_of_1877.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=2&psid=3189
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Za8lifq1mYC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Pennsylvania+National+Guard+General+Strike+of+1877&source=web&ots=T4MPp9Qhn3&sig=DNSYI2UuLrujc2XvYEm1rvrTUVA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false


Side note: Pennsylvania did not form a militia till 1758, for that is the first year the Quakers lost control of the General Assembly. Quakers wanted peace and land. Militia violated they concept of peace, but the Quaker's greed for land was shown in the legendary "Long Walk" of 1735. In 1735 the Quakers brought in Speed Walkers to walk the one day distance from a river, that the Native Americans had agree to give to Pennsylvania in a treaty signed by William Penn Decades earlier. The Native Americans protested they had to run to keep up with these walkers and the distance covered by the walker was way beyond what had been agreed to. The Delaware and Shawnee tribes protested, but the Delaware had lost out to the Iroquois in the late 1600s AND the Shawnees were only in Pennsylvania by agreement with the Iroquois, thus both tribes could do nothing when the distance was accepted by the Iroquois the next year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_Purchase

The net result of this theft of land was hostility between the Native Americans and Pennsylvania, which did not have a Militia. in 1745 France and England went to war and Pennsylvania still did not have a Militia or any other types of troops. In the Colonial people, the main thrust of any war between France and England was the sugar islands of the West Indies/Caribbean. On the other hand, neither side wanted their fleet in the Caribbean during Hurricane season. Thus twice a year the French Fleet went from the Caribbean to Canada (about June) and then return to the Caribbean in October (The British Fleet did the same, but stayed in Charleston or New York City). This movement of the French Fleet put the People of Philadelphia in fear, twice a year the French Fleet sailed by, very quickly in June, much slower in October (The Gulf Stream goes along the East Coast north, thus a lot harder to go south then north). The Colony of Pennsylvania refused to do anything to protect Philadelphia from a sea attack being good Quakers. To deal with this problem Ben Franklin organized the people of Philadelphia to build and man a foot that could delay any French Naval attack, delay it enough to permit most of the people of Philadelphia to get out of town before the French took it.

Once the fort was built, Ben Franklin advised the people on the Frontier to from their own "Associations", which was the name he had given the people who built, maintain and man the first fort to defend Philadelphia. The people on the Frontier had been left defenseless when the war between France and England broke out in 1745. The Quakers who still controlled the General Assembly refused to form a Militia, after getting the Native Americans mad at them by stealing their land. These Associations were reformed when the French and Indian War broke out in 1754 and were the basis of the Pennsylvania Militia when the Quakers finally lost control of the General Assembly in 1758. 

It is rather long post to say the least. And to further make comment on this topic I would just add it appears the DUmmies are beginning to question whether the State Police are beginning to devolve into a Police State.  Could there be hope?  Naw, their faith  in the Obamissiah will never darken until the hand cuffs are firmly fixed wrist to ankle and they are begging for their gruel.

[GOBUCKS]

About the worst we get from the locals is a few college kids who like their weed or some guy poaching deer or turkey a bit early.  Most of the violent criminals come from out of state, and if you think I'm FOS, look it up.

New Hampshire has very, very few 0bamaites.

If you subtract the activities of urban yoots who look like 0bama's son, no state has a significant crime problem.

Minus 0bamaites, America is as crime-free as Switzerland.

[BlueStateSaint]

Response to pscot (Reply #2)
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:09 PM
 Ed Suspicious (1,501 posts)
15. Yeah, I'm feeling sick over it. I've spent my time and energy and reputation putting on the line

telling my right wing relatives and acquaintances that Obama was good people. Their fears were completely irrational and foolish is what I told them. Who looks the fool now.

You forgot to add one thing, Karin . . .

[vesta111]

I confess to reading this earlier a the DUmp and vacillated about bringing it over for its comedic value. I went back to the DUmp later to see how it was progressing (pun intended) and found this post which I feel merits special attention by our military historians or others favorable disposed to comment on the  Howard Zinn_ess of it all.
It is rather long post to say the least. And to further make comment on this topic I would just add it appears the DUmmies are beginning to question whether the State Police are beginning to devolve into a Police State.  Could there be hope?  Naw, their faith  in the Obamissiah will never darken until the hand cuffs are firmly fixed wrist to ankle and they are begging for their gruel.

   Excellent and a  to the schools that will not allow a reprint of this from students.

Why, because the teachers themselves were trained to teach what they believe is truth and each generation of teachers gets more and more propaganda to pass on to the next graduate teachers.

Very little of what is taught is from authentic sources, letters and diary's from eye witnesses.

American history is full of slanted views depending on where in the country one goes to school.   Not all text books are the same in this country, this I found out carting my kids about the country to be with their Dad.   Military brats they were.  Same as I was often going to 2 different schools in different States in one year. 

[FlaGator]

Obama's Gestapo.

[JohnnyReb]

Obama's Gestapo.

Just wait until it becomes Hillary's Gestapo......they'll be real busy.

[zeitgeist]

Just wait until it becomes Hillary's Gestapo......they'll be real busy.

So which agency is more like the Gestapo?  The NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS,TSA, Homeland Insecurity, or are they the TSA I get so confused? And just whom did I leave out from the list and how do they compare with Nazi Germany's hierarchy?  No wonder they needed to buy so much brass and lead.   I suggest suspension of Godwin's Law for the remainder of this thread.  

[JohnnyReb]

So which agency is more like the Gestapo?  The NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS,TSA, Homeland Insecurity, or are they the TSA I get so confused? And just whom did I leave out from the list and how do they compare with Nazi Germany's hierarchy?  No wonder they needed to buy so much brass and lead.   I suggest suspension of Godwin's Law for the remainder of this thread.  

Hasn't Obama shown us all how to use each one separately and in combinations.

[zeitgeist]

Hasn't Obama shown us all how to use each one separately and in combinations.

You make a good point.  They did have various divisions within the Gestapo.  Maybe I need to take more of a forest than tree look at this.