primitives discuss when medical insurance gets cheaper

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11429364

Oh my.

no_hypocrisy (25,419 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:42 PM

When is AFA supposed to have effect on premiums?

Monthly for the coming year jumped from $ 892 to $ 1070, almost $200 that I don't have.
 
Carrier claimed that 15% cap on raising premiums expired January of this year. And health insurance isn't like car insurance where eating organic and walking three miles a day give you a discount.
 
I'm in NJ if that helps.

antiquie (1,068 posts)   Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:47 PM

1. So sorry, but

I think those of you who have anything are supposed to subsidize those of us who have nothing. The rich will be okay, though.

^^^bets the primitive has more than what franksolich does.

no_hypocrisy (25,419 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:52 PM

2. No argument.

Just wondering when health care costs are going to take effect.

BTW, I can't afford insurance. My father helps me.

peace13 (8,525 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:56 PM

3. Not really funny!

Our premiums have gone up as well. We had to move to a forty dollar co pay with a five thousand dollar deductible and that stopped our premium from jumping $1100 a month. So....for the three of us the premium is $2600.00 a MONTH. We will still have to suffer at least one major jump next year and from what I have heard it will be huge.
 
This leaves those of us 'with some' on the verge of losing everything as well. My guess those with nothing will lose theirs too when those in the middle can no longer contribute to those at the bottom.
 
At some point all of us have to jump out of the system for at least six months, risk losing everything, just for the opportunity to buy into the federal insurance program.
 
I see nothing to smile about. We pay double social security, double medicare and carry these huge premiums. No...not really funny!

Now, why is a $40 co-pay unreasonable?  Does the primitive expect to not have to pay anything?

no_hypocrisy (25,419 posts)   Wed Aug 7, 2013, 02:15 PM

6. We're together in misery. So when will insurance become "affordable"?

Anyone?

alc (858 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 02:35 PM

7. it should be affecting them now/soon

If you were high risk and couldn't afford insurance before it should be affordable now (for some definition of "affordable").
 
If you were low risk and had cheap insurance before then premiums will go up.

If you're in the middle your premium may go up or down. Depends on exactly how everything else shakes out (who signs up, what happens with medical costs, how well regulators do their job).
 
Supporters argued loudly that premiums would "go down for everyone" but from the start conceded quietly that those with good rates and good health would pay more and that was necessary to get high risk individuals into the program.

"Conceded quietly"--one wonders what other lies were told.

[Freeper]

Supporters argued loudly that premiums would "go down for everyone" but from the start conceded quietly that those with good rates and good health would pay more and that was necessary to get high risk individuals into the program.

In other words they ****ing lied.

We warned you DUmmies that this was going to happen, yet all you did was scream "racist" at us for daring to point that out.

[JohnnyReb]

primitives discuss when medical insurance gets cheaper.....NEVER....you DUmbasses.

All your money belonga lawyers and the political elite.

[jukin]

World's smartest man in history said my premiums would go down 3000%. Alas, I'm beginning to think that 0bama may have been lying to all of us. My premiums have almost doubled. My insurance company is leaving kalifornia so I won't have the plan I liked. My GP is retiring early. All of this due to evil democrats pushing a late night backroom deal on the citizens of our country. Oh and I almost forgot, those 30 million uninsured people the cACA bill was to help? There will still be 30 million uninsured people with the cACA.

[jtyangel]

World's smartest man in history said my premiums would go down 3000%. Alas, I'm beginning to think that 0bama may have been lying to all of us. My premiums have almost doubled. My insurance company is leaving kalifornia so I won't have the plan I liked. My GP is retiring early. All of this due to evil democrats pushing a late night backroom deal on the citizens of our country. Oh and I almost forgot, those 30 million uninsured people the cACA bill was to help? There will still be 30 million uninsured people with the cACA.

I've heard that number will increase too as people can not afford their current medical insurance. What a stupid p.o. crap bill.

[Chris_]

World's smartest man in history said my premiums would go down 3000%. Alas, I'm beginning to think that 0bama may have been lying to all of us. My premiums have almost doubled. My insurance company is leaving kalifornia so I won't have the plan I liked. My GP is retiring early. All of this due to evil democrats pushing a late night backroom deal on the citizens of our country. Oh and I almost forgot, those 30 million uninsured people the cACA bill was to help? There will still be 30 million uninsured people with the cACA.

If Obama says one thing, you can be guaranteed that his intent is the exact opposite.

In short, he's a ****ing liar.

[Bad Dog]

When this law fails (and it will spectacularly) they will push for single payer.  Under single payer, every individual will have excellent medical insurance.  The only problem is, there will be massive shortages of care services and, those services will be distributed by bureaucrats capriciously and corruptly.

[obumazombie]

When many of us pointed out that owebuma was lying about owebumacare, we were called racists. We were called racists by the low/no information voters who are now discovering that owebuma lied. By their logic, aren't they now also racist ?

[Bad Dog]

When many of us pointed out that owebuma was lying about owebumacare, we were called racists. We were called racists by the low/no information voters who are now discovering that owebuma lied. By their logic, aren't they now also racist ?

 No....And, by pointing that out, you have exposed your cruel bigotry.

[obumazombie]

 No....And, by pointing that out, you have exposed your cruel bigotry.

I am crusading to make cruel bigotry a basic human right !

[Freeper]

World's smartest man in history said my premiums would go down 3000%. Alas, I'm beginning to think that 0bama may have been lying to all of us. My premiums have almost doubled. My insurance company is leaving kalifornia so I won't have the plan I liked. My GP is retiring early. All of this due to evil democrats pushing a late night backroom deal on the citizens of our country. Oh and I almost forgot, those 30 million uninsured people the cACA bill was to help? There will still be 30 million uninsured people with the cACA.

He also claimed that we all would get raises because of all the savings our employers would get.

[diesel driver]

He also claimed that we all would get raises because of all the savings our employers would get.

By raising hours from 40 to 30/week, employers are saving a buttload.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

NEVER, you stupid shitbags.  Did you actually believe that economically-insane bullshit your disbarred shyster said?

[Ballygrl]

Didn't Obama say it was going to come down $2,500 a year?

[Freeper]

Didn't Obama say it was going to come down $2,500 a year?

Yes he did. Of course he didn't say witch year that would happen though. 

[Ballygrl]

Uh Oh, while Politicans got themselves an exemption to Obamacare, Harry Reid tells Unions "time to give up your cadillac plans", so basically Reid said   to the union folk?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/harry-reid-to-unions-its-time-to-give-up-cadillac-plans-and-put-some-skin-in-the-game-video/

This is how Democrats say thanks–
Today Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid went on KNPR in Las Vegas to discuss current affairs.
One question he faced was about union uproar over Obamacare. Harry Reid said it’s time for them to give up their Cadillac plans and “put some skin in the game.”

“Let’s understand where we are with the unions. One of the things we’ve learned with all of the hearings we held, dozens and dozens of them, is that if you have insurance you have to be able to have some skin in the game as we say in Las Vegas. And that means you just can’t keep running to the doctor with no deductible whatsoever. These are referred to as the Cadillac plans. And the Cadillac plans weren’t fair to other people… You have to have I repeat skin in the game.”

[98ZJUSMC]

alc DNC (858 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 02:35 PM

7. it should be affecting them now/soon

If you were high risk and couldn't afford insurance before it should be affordable now (for some definition of "affordable").
 
If you were low risk and had cheap insurance before then premiums will go up.

If you're in the middle your premium may go up or down. Depends on exactly how everything else shakes out (who signs up, what happens with medical costs, how well regulators do their job).
 
Supporters argued loudly that premiums would "go down for everyone" but from the start conceded quietly that those with good rates and good health would pay more and that was necessary to get high risk individuals into the program.

Fixed.

peace13 (8,525 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 01:56 PM

3. Not really funny!

Our premiums have gone up as well. We had to move to a forty dollar co pay with a five thousand dollar deductible and that stopped our premium from jumping $1100 a month. So....for the three of us the premium is $2600.00 a MONTH. We will still have to suffer at least one major jump next year and from what I have heard it will be huge.
 
This leaves those of us 'with some' on the verge of losing everything as well. My guess those with nothing will lose theirs too when those in the middle can no longer contribute to those at the bottom.
 
At some point all of us have to jump out of the system for at least six months, risk losing everything, just for the opportunity to buy into the federal insurance program.
 
I see nothing to smile about. We pay double social security, double medicare and carry these huge premiums. No...not really funny!

I'm laughing my ass off, retard.  Now:

[98ZJUSMC]

When this law fails (and it will spectacularly) they will push for single payer. 

That,..... was the plan all along.

[67 Rover]

He also claimed that we all would get raises because of all the savings our employers would get.

But the CBO said it would save us money.  I don't understand how this cannot be the case. sarc.

[Carl]

NEVER, you stupid shitbags.  Did you actually believe that economically-insane bullshit your disbarred shyster said?

That is exactly it,there was never,ever any economic or other sense to the promises.
Just flat out lies.

[Carl]

alc DNC (858 posts)    Wed Aug 7, 2013, 02:35 PM

7. it should be affecting them now/soon

If you were high risk and couldn't afford insurance before it should be affordable now (for some definition of "affordable").
 
If you were low risk and had cheap insurance before then premiums will go up.

If you're in the middle your premium may go up or down. Depends on exactly how everything else shakes out (who signs up, what happens with medical costs, how well regulators do their job).
 
Supporters argued loudly that premiums would "go down for everyone" but from the start conceded quietly that those with good rates and good health would pay more and that was necessary to get high risk individuals into the program.

Guess what DUmbass...many will opt out and pay the fine/tax thus throwing all the assumptions in the cesspool.

[obumazombie]

That,..... was the plan all along.

Harry Reid now openly admits it...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/aug/10/reid-says-obamacare-just-step-toward-eventual-sing/


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/aug/10/reid-says-obamacare-just-step-toward-eventual-sing/