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House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« on: June 18, 2008, 05:15:19 PM »
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Urgent: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
Per Pergram-Capitol Hill
House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live.
Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply.
They also reasserted that the reason the Appropriations Committee markup (where the vote on the amendment to lift the ban) was cancelled so they could focus on preparing the supplemental Iraq spending bill for tomorrow.
At an off-camera briefing, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said the same. And a senior Republican House Appropriations Committee aide adds that "there were multiple reasons for the postponement" including discussion on the supplemental. But the aide said there was the thought that Democrats may wish to avoid a debate today on energy amendments.

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 05:18:59 PM »
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 05:19:47 PM »
The Dems may not be able to pronounce the word "nationalization" but they sure have a hard-on for Stalin.
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 05:27:32 PM »
I say let the Dems do it. Once the cost of Oil based products spirals totally out of control because of this It will keep the Dems out of power for at least a century, If the Democrats survive as a party at all. Yes, it will cause some degree of suffering, but if it exterminates the Demisocialists, it will be worth it.

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 05:30:22 PM »
I say let the Dems do it. Once the cost of Oil based products spirals totally out of control because of this It will keep the Dems out of power for at least a century, If the Democrats survive as a party at all. Yes, it will cause some degree of suffering, but if it exterminates the Demisocialists, it will be worth it.



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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 05:36:55 PM »
Let's see: Socialized Medical care, now nationalizing the Oil companies. Hm , if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be Hugo Chavez.

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 07:58:25 PM »
I bet they are squealing with glee on DU. And probably wondering why Pelosi and co. didn't take over the spigot in 2006.

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 08:18:51 PM »
Yeah thats a plan. Go against the very Constitiution you swore to uphold. That civil war just might be right around the corner after all. There may not be much left of the good old USA but you can bet your last whatever that the Dems that caused it won't be around to see the end.
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 08:31:27 PM »
You know, I don't think the Democrats, liberals, and primitives have the slightest notion of what "nationalization" means.

England, for example, nationalized the steel industry in 1948.

The then-Labour government nationalized it because it was losing money, it was inefficient, and the stockholders wanted it off their hands.  So the taxpayers of England took the white elephant off their hands, paying the stockholders a premium price for antiquated and near-ruined machinery and other resources.

In the United States, we had a smaller version of this, "nationalizing" certain railways in the northeastern states, making the new "Conrail" out of the old New York Central, Pennsylvania, New York, New Haven & Hartford, Erie-Lackawanna, &c., &c., &c. railways.

They were losing money, they were inefficient, and their stockholders wanted them off their hands.  So the American taxpayers took the white elephants off their hands, paying the stockholders a premium price for wretched real-estate and even more wretched equipment.

That, generally, in democracies, is why "nationalization" occurs; it's a job-saver.

And an expensive job-saver too.

Now, the situation of the petroleum companies is different, but only somewhat different.

If I owned a petroleum company, I'd love to have the government take over the expense, the time, the trouble, the hassle, the tedium, of refining petroleum; one less monkey on this back.

It would be subsidization of corporate interests.

I think decent and civilized people understand this is the case, but as it's reasonably simple to understand, I can't understand why Democrats, liberals, and primitives aren't thinking this thing all the way through; what "nationalization" really means, and is.
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 08:56:41 PM »
I swear I am going to have a stroke tonight.  :censored:

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 09:13:24 PM »
I would say to all of those Democrats who think this is a good idea: Do you really want the folks who brought you the IRS and DMV controlling this? Heck the Senate can't even run it's own restaurant!
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 09:14:15 PM »
You know, I don't think the Democrats, liberals, and primitives have the slightest notion of what "nationalization" means.

England, for example, nationalized the steel industry in 1948.

The then-Labour government nationalized it because it was losing money, it was inefficient, and the stockholders wanted it off their hands.  So the taxpayers of England took the white elephant off their hands, paying the stockholders a premium price for antiquated and near-ruined machinery and other resources.

In the United States, we had a smaller version of this, "nationalizing" certain railways in the northeastern states, making the new "Conrail" out of the old New York Central, Pennsylvania, New York, New Haven & Hartford, Erie-Lackawanna, &c., &c., &c. railways.

They were losing money, they were inefficient, and their stockholders wanted them off their hands.  So the American taxpayers took the white elephants off their hands, paying the stockholders a premium price for wretched real-estate and even more wretched equipment.

That, generally, in democracies, is why "nationalization" occurs; it's a job-saver.

And an expensive job-saver too.

Now, the situation of the petroleum companies is different, but only somewhat different.

If I owned a petroleum company, I'd love to have the government take over the expense, the time, the trouble, the hassle, the tedium, of refining petroleum; one less monkey on this back.

It would be subsidization of corporate interests.

I think decent and civilized people understand this is the case, but as it's reasonably simple to understand, I can't understand why Democrats, liberals, and primitives aren't thinking this thing all the way through; what "nationalization" really means, and is.

^ ^ Now that's speaking truth to power.  "Nationalization" is very expensive in the short run and endlessly expensive in the long run.

I sure the DUmmies and their ilk have this vision of moonbats walking into the boardroom and ordering everyone out on their cans.  What a dream!  "Nationalization" is possible in the USA only if all parties agree.  Congress has no more power to waltz in and take over a private industry than I have to walk in and take over congress.  

It doesn't work that way at all.  This isn't 1936 Germany.

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 09:58:35 PM »
What I posted at USMILNET and NCAABBS:

Remember how Maxine Waters talked about Socializing the oil industry?

To recap:

[youtube=425,350]KN6s1KVFBNg[/youtube]

If the embedded link doesn't work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6s1KVFBNg

Well, doesn't seem like they're hiding it anymore. She was only the first. You can't boil the frog if the frog already knows your plan:

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House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries

Urgent: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries

Per Pergram-Capitol Hill

House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live.

Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply.

They also reasserted that the reason the Appropriations Committee markup (where the vote on the amendment to lift the ban) was cancelled so they could focus on preparing the supplemental Iraq spending bill for tomorrow.

At an off-camera briefing, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said the same. And a senior Republican House Appropriations Committee aide adds that "there were multiple reasons for the postponement" including discussion on the supplemental. But the aide said there was the thought that Democrats may wish to avoid a debate today on energy amendments.

Here are the highlights from briefing

Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), member of the House Appropriations Committee and one of the most-ardent opponents of off-shore drilling

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We (the government) should own the refineries. Then we can control how much gets out into the market.

Hinchey on why they postponed the Appropriations markup

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I think there aren't enough votes for the Peterson amendment. It wasn't taken up (the Interior spending bill) because of the omnibus Appropriations bill. That's the main focus of the Appropriations Committee.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL)

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They (Republicans) have a one-trick pony approach.

Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV), Chairman of the Resources Committee

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You cannot drill your way out of this.

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), chairman of the House Select Committee on Global Warming

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The White House has become a ventriloquist for the oil and gas energy. The finger should be directed back at them. They had plenty of opportunity to (arrange an energy policy). But they did not put an energy policy in place.

Markey

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The governors of California and the governors of Florida are going to scream this is not the way to go.

Hinchey

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There are a lot of arrows in the President's quiver that he decided not use.

Hinchey

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What we do has to be in the interest of the American people. Not major corporations.

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It's like when I talk to my kids. Before we're going to talk about dessert, we've got to talk about what's on your plate. I hope I'm a little more successful with the oil industry than I am with my kids.

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There are so many red herrings out there they might as well construct an aquarium.

From House Majoirity Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) when I asked him if the markup was cancelled because of potential Democratic defections on the Peterson amendment..

"No. The reason the markups aren't going through is because we're trying to get the supplemental on the floor tomorrow."

Andfrom a Senior Republican House Appropriations Aide..

"There were multiple reasons for the postponement including ongoing negotiations on the (supplemental) and a (Democratic) wish to avoid debate and votes on the energy amendments.

http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#a54ef44,2008-06-18

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 10:01:28 PM »
Yeah thats a plan. Go against the very Constitiution you swore to uphold. That civil war just might be right around the corner after all. There may not be much left of the good old USA but you can bet your last whatever that the Dems that caused it won't be around to see the end.

We have everything you could want or need right down here in the good 'ole Confederate States of America.  :-)

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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 10:24:11 PM »
at least all pretense is gone now.  send that donkey out to pasture and roll in this
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Re: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 11:33:38 PM »
You know, I don't think the Democrats, liberals, and primitives have the slightest notion of what "nationalization" means.

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If I owned a petroleum company, I'd love to have the government take over the expense, the time, the trouble, the hassle, the tedium, of refining petroleum; one less monkey on this back.



The Democrats do not have a clue about the energy business. Nationalizing the refineries would make the nation's largest refiner, Valero, very happy. Their profit margins have been squeezed because they have to buy the oil at market prices; they are trying to unload 3 of their 17 refineries as we speak. So if this aspect of the oil business is so profitable, why is this company selling off it's plants? If the refineries were nationalized, the  stock holders of this company would make out like bandits and the American taxpayers would get screwed because everyone knows that a governmental agency can not run a for pay shit house efficiently and profitable.

The dumb asses in DC better be aware that EXXON has filed for restitution of billions of dollars when Hugo nationalized that country's oil industry. The idiots in Congress will find out quick that the major oil companies will file suit in a world court. If the big oil companies decide to pull out of the refining business, I don't know where Congress will dig up the experienced employees to run those refineries. I can not see any of these dip-shits getting their hands dirty on an oil rig.