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The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« on: August 08, 2013, 03:29:52 PM »
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The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives


 
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No, this is not from some twisted version of The Onion. A whole panoply of social services is available only to people with AIDS.

http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2013/08/02/men-who-want-aids-bronx-new-york

That silver lining was a surprise to Fortner. And while it might seem counterintuitive, contracting the virus has made life easier for other young homeless men in New York City, who in return for developing full-blown AIDS gain a roof over their heads and basic services.

This cruel paradox — having to get really sick in order to enjoy a better, more comfortable life — has not gone unnoticed. “I have experienced people grateful that they have HIV,” says Sage Rivera, a research associate at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who has worked with hundreds of LGBT youth. “It’s sort of like a sigh of relief or an extra boost,” he says. “There are a whole bunch of different names for HIV within the community: ‘the monster,’ ‘the kitty,’ ‘the scratch,’ ‘the gift that keeps on giving.’ So people say, ‘I have the kitty — so now I can get my place. Now I can get hooked up; I can get my food stamps, I can get this, I can get that.’...

And it’s not just those who already have AIDS who view it as a lifeline; some young men who test negative aspire to contract the disease as a way out of trouble. Rivera knows at least one man who planned to have unprotected sex on purpose, an attitude he sums up thus: “My life is not getting better. I need a helping hand, and it seems like the only way I can get a helping hand is by getting sick.”

For Fortner, the phenomenon of young men deliberately contracting HIV is dispiriting but not surprising. “When you’re on the streets every day — winter, summer, spring, and fall — and you find a way to have an apartment of your own, it looks better,” he says. His own experience is instructive: Once his AIDS was diagnosed, he was astonished at how much easier it was to live in New York City. “Right now the rent for my apartment is $1,150, but because I’m on the program I only pay $217, which leaves me with about $400 a month,” he says. “That’s still a struggle, but I feel gifted, because one way or another I pull through.”


Society EPIC FAIL.

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This is the society you DUmpmonkeys helped build.

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2. WTF

There is no valid reason why we cannot provide a safety net BEFORE people's lives are destroyed.

Naturally the answer for the DUmmies is more handouts.  :mental:

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19. As someone living with AIDS and had a life partner die of AIDS

I would love to tell these people contemplating it, it's NOT worth it!

There is a misconception that managing AIDS now is easy with the advancements, what they don't tell you is with all the drugs pushed out in recent years there is no long term studies on the effects to the body. I started taking Atripla the day it came out in (and was taking Susteeva the main ingredient in Atripla before that). This life saving drug has wrecked havoc on my liver & kidneys. Management is not as easy as some people make it out to be.

Education all around is the best defense for all concerned.

Look at the bright side DUmmy, you get more freebies.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 03:35:43 PM »
But if you suggest Unemployment benefits encourage sloth or Welfare encourages out-of-wedlock children you're a hate-monger.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 03:37:29 PM »
It just never occurs to them that the reason these men were homeless to begin with were a whole other series of bad life decisions that got them there and now they make yet another in that long series of mistakes. Spectacular dumbasses.As for society, it's damn pitiful that we have a society so consumed by having their own freetime and getting something for nothing and are so against working that they will prefer to get a damn life-threatening disease rather then get their hands dirty. Damn..just G-damn. The idiots are creating their own damn genocide. :thatsright:
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 03:38:03 PM »
How can we save this country when you have idiots willing to die for handouts and fools willing to reward their self destructive behavior (with OPM of course).
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 03:38:33 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on August 08, 2013, 03:38:03 PM
How can we save this country when you have idiots willing to die for handouts and fools willing to reward their self destructive behavior (with OPM of course).

Exactly...
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 03:53:30 PM »
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so now I can get my place. Now I can get hooked up; I can get my food stamps, I can get this, I can get that.’...

Because, after all, that is what life is all about.

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How can we save this country when you have idiots willing to die for handouts and fools willing to reward their self destructive behavior (with OPM of course).

You can't and each school day, that number grows.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 04:12:29 PM »
Quote from: jtyangel on August 08, 2013, 03:37:29 PM
The idiots are creating their own damn genocide. :thatsright:

Then I say we get out of their way.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 04:28:17 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on August 08, 2013, 04:12:29 PM
Then I say we get out of their way.

Only problem is they are taking the national wallet of resources down with them.  :thatsright:
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 04:31:19 PM »
Quote from: jtyangel on August 08, 2013, 04:28:17 PM
Only problem is they are taking the national wallet of resources down with them.  :thatsright:

Self correcting problem, they don't live very long after they get their wish.  With obingacare, they're lives will be even shorter.  I'm all for these little twits going bug hunting.

Does this make me a bad person?
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 04:50:11 PM »
If Chief Spreading Bull gets her way we will all be at risk of "enjoying a better, more comfortable life" :mad:

She would like to see GRID carriers be able to give blood.



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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 04:50:30 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on August 08, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
Self correcting problem, they don't live very long after they get their wish.  With obingacare, they're lives will be even shorter.  I'm all for these little twits going bug hunting.

Does this make me a bad person?

Not so fast... I'm pretty sure, under obumblecare, they will be a protected class.  The dwindling medical resources of the country will have to be channeled to the poor butt pirates.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 06:02:53 PM »
Typical liberals. You point out to them the eventual consequences of their ideology and explain the various facets of what will happen, they deny it's the case, and then when it does happen they cry what's happening could have been prevented.  Well, yeah. It all could have been prevented if you dolts had listened in the first place.

No sympathy for them now.

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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2013, 06:11:43 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on August 08, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
Self correcting problem, they don't live very long after they get their wish.  With obingacare, they're lives will be even shorter.  I'm all for these little twits going bug hunting.

Does this make me a bad person?

No, I was thinking the exact same thing and I are a gr8 person.  Well, not so much in the 3rd, 4th and 5th grade, but.......



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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2013, 06:12:58 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on August 08, 2013, 06:02:53 PM
Typical liberals. You point out to them the eventual consequences of their ideology and explain the various facets of what will happen, they deny it's the case, and then when it does happen they cry what's happening could have been prevented.  Well, yeah. It all could have been prevented if you dolts had listened in the first place.

No sympathy for them now.

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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2013, 06:26:07 PM »
The silver lining to getting AIDS is getting free stuff?

This is one of the more disgusting posts I've seen at the DUmp.  :mad:
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 06:46:10 PM »
The mindset behind this kind of thinking is so warped and depraved as to not be believed by decent folk. I know that no one is free from sin, but some try to avoid sin, are repentant and seek God's grace. Then there are those who don't.


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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 08:05:11 PM »
Really,why is anyone surprised...liberalism is the result of a defective and degenerate mind.
This is just another example of what is.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 08:22:54 PM »
I'm not one to shout "there oughta be a law!" because that's exactly what you get (along with all the unintended consequences it brings), but deliberately infecting yourself with a fatal, communicable disease for personal gain should be a crime.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 08:52:42 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on August 08, 2013, 08:22:54 PM
I'm not one to shout "there oughta be a law!" because that's exactly what you get (along with all the unintended consequences it brings), but deliberately infecting yourself with a fatal, communicable disease for personal gain should be a crime.

Being a healthy queer is looked at in some of their circles with the same disdain as being an educated black is in some of theirs.

It is sickening.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 09:04:02 PM »
Quote from: Carl on August 08, 2013, 08:52:42 PM
Being a healthy queer is looked at in some of their circles with the same disdain as being an educated black is in some of theirs.

It is sickening.
That is disgusting but not surprising.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 09:15:24 PM »
Hey DUmmies, if getting AIDS does that much for you, just think how much cooler it would be to blow your brains out or hang yourself!  Go for it!

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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 09:17:37 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on August 08, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Hey DUmmies, if getting AIDS does that much for you, just think how much cooler it would be to blow your brains out or hang yourself!  Go for it!

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Just clean up...before yourselves.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 10:53:46 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on August 08, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
Self correcting problem, they don't live very long after they get their wish.  With obingacare, they're lives will be even shorter.  I'm all for these little twits going bug hunting.


Hate to break it to you but there lives won't be that much shorter.  There are some indications that the drug cocktail makes people age faster but that's about it, near full life span with minimal other difficulties is the norm nowadays.  This was turned into such a massive frenzy by Hollywood that we learned how to treat it very well in the county.

What makes this so sick is that AIDS should, by all rights, die out in this country in the next 40 years or so at the outside.  What these stupid ass little dickheads are doing is setting us all up for a major mutation, possibly on par with what they have in Africa (where our first line drugs don't touch this bug).  Again, like all progressive social engineering, like the ones that took the father out of the family, this is going to cause huge problems in the years to come.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2013, 06:24:03 AM »
Quote from: Carl on August 08, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Really,why is anyone surprised...liberalism is the result of a defective and degenerate mind.
This is just another example of what is.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Years ago I first heard that, and thought it was just a put down. But since then I have learned that it is a statement of truth. Only the insane can really believe this stuff.
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Re: The Men Who Want AIDS — and How It Improved Their Lives
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2013, 06:41:10 AM »
Quote from: jtyangel on August 08, 2013, 03:37:29 PM
It just never occurs to them that the reason these men were homeless to begin with were a whole other series of bad life decisions that got them there and now they make yet another in that long series of mistakes. Spectacular dumbasses.As for society, it's damn pitiful that we have a society so consumed by having their own freetime and getting something for nothing and are so against working that they will prefer to get a damn life-threatening disease rather then get their hands dirty. Damn..just G-damn. The idiots are creating their own damn genocide. :thatsright:

Word.  :mental:
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