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Offline Jim

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VaTech State settlement
« on: June 18, 2008, 07:19:36 AM »
Yesterday the court approved a settlement agreement between the state and the families impacted by the masacre at VaTech.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm still grieving this being a Virginian but I cannot figure out why there is a settlement.

Now I realize that its to preempt lawsuits, I'm not that stupid, but I have a problem with it anyway.

Crazy guy murders people.  Its terrible, unthinkable, very very sad but the school didn't wind him up and set him on his course for this.  Moreover, people here and all over the country and maybe the world contributed money to help.  These families have a loss that can't be regained but they're out no money.

I think this sets a terrible example.  Is everyone who gets shot going to be due 100K from the state now ? 

Its just been eating me.  Rant over.
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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 08:59:19 AM »
I totally agree with you.


But in today's society, somebody has to be at fault....just ask the lawyers out there.


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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 12:26:23 PM »
The same mentality that made the families of the 9/11 victims all multimillionaires.....

It is a terrible tragedy, but history is replete with terrible tragedies, and paying victims is a slippery slope.....

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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 12:43:29 PM »
Yeah, I don't agree with there being a settlement over this.  The school cannot control all the crazies.  Life sucks and bad things happen and really sometimes there's no one to blame for it.
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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 01:25:32 PM »
agree. horrible idea. My heart aches for the families but this is not right.
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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 10:19:08 PM »
I think a large part of the lawsuit was due to their inaction with the first murders. Then we have the fact that the campus wasn't "locked down" and no notice was sent. I also think that their response time was pretty slow, IIR. Then [2nd Amendment Advocate Hat] They also banned guns from the campus, essentially taking away people's rights to defend themselves. (However, I doubt that much of the lawsuit was based on that) [/2A Hat]
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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 12:51:18 AM »
I saw this originally right after the Virginia Tech Report was released last August. It is from SERAPH, a consulting organization that deals with security.

CALLS FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST UNIVERSITY ADMINISTRATORS

The SERAPH Research Team consisting of education and law enforcement experts has assessed “The Virginia Tech Review Panel Report”, http://www.vtreviewpanel.org/report/index.html KEY FINDINGS [Chapter II, pages 17-19]

Note: Starting in 2000 the SERAPH Research Team has at the request of members of Congress supplied three reports on school safety.

SERAPH Virginia Tech Report Assessment

The review panel isolated seven critical problems with Virginia Tech’s emergency response, emergency management and administrators’ response.

The reports’ summary states that, “The Emergency Response Plan of Virginia Tech was deficient in several respects”. The following is a list of each issue and the SERAPH response.

1. “It did not include provisions for a shooting scenario.”

Since the Columbine massacre in 1999, police departments across the United States have been training in “active shooter” response. This has been a well established practice for use in public schools.

However our survey of colleges and universities security directors and police chiefs shows that few have had this training. Two reasons were given for this, the first was the cost, administrators did not want to pay for the training and second administrators barred campus security / police administrators from seeking out the training because they did not want a “militaristic campus atmosphere”.

2. “…did not place police high enough in the emergency decision-making hierarchy. The police had to await the deliberations of the Policy Group, of which they are not a member, even when minutes count.”

The report indicates that administrators who had no training in security or police operations micromanaged the security operations of the campus. This is problematic because of the obvious delay it causes in response time and the fact that under Virginia law it is illegal.

Virginia criminal code 18.2-460 A, Obstructing justice: If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness or any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, or law-enforcement officer, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The Policy Group as it relates to police operations on campus is in violation of this law. And from the report it is equally obvious that on the day of the shooting the administrators obstructed the police in their investigation of the original dorm murder and their response to managing the campus with a murder suspect on the loose.

The SERAPH Team addressed this issue in a letter to the Virginia Attorney General McDonnell [dated May 26 2007].

3. “It also did not include a threat assessment team.”

Threat assessment as a science has existed in the United States since the early 1940s. Predication and prevention of violence is a critical aspect of campus security and one that in SERAPH’s experience is seriously lacking on higher education campuses. All Resident Assistants, security / police and department administrators should be trained to identify violent behavior in students, staff and visitors.

4. “The Emergency Response Plan… was out of date on April 16”

An emergency plan is only as good as the data in it and the ability of key personnel to use it effectively. This did not happen at Virginia Tech.

5. “The training of staff and students for emergencies situations at Virginia Tech did not include shooting incidents.”

Training is important for the effective management of an emergency by key personnel. You cannot ask untrained people to do what trained people do.

6. “No security cameras were in the dorms or anywhere else on campus on April 16.”

A lack of systematic monitoring of a campus contributes to crime.

7. “A risk analysis needs to be performed and decisions made as to what risks to protect against.”

A proper security audit is vitally important to campus security. However our survey of security directors / police chiefs indicates that most college administrators will not allow these assessments to be done. Two reasons for this refusal is the fear of liability exposure and the chance that the audit would require changes in management systems.

The Review Panel ironically found,

“That the VTPD statement of purpose in the Emergency Response Plan does not reflect that law enforcement is the primary purpose of the police department.” Again the report indicates that university administrators who had no training in security or police operations micromanaged the security operations of the campus through policies that control the actions of the campus police force.

Lastly, the report found that this attitude was consistent throughout the Virginia college and university community.

“It was the strong opinion of groups of Virginia college and university presidents with whom the panel met that the state should not impose required levels of security on all institutions, but rather let the institutions choose what they think is appropriate. Parents and students can and do consider security a factor in making a choice of where to go to school.”

Since the original article is gone, I had to fish for it.
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Re: VaTech State settlement
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 09:32:31 AM »
I saw this originally right after the Virginia Tech Report was released last August. It is from SERAPH, a consulting organization that deals with security.

lots of stuff


It was the strong opinion of groups of Virginia college and university presidents with whom the panel met that the state should not impose required levels of security on all institutions, but rather let the institutions choose what they think is appropriate. Parents and students can and do consider security a factor in making a choice of where to go to school.”

Since the original article is gone, I had to fish for it.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/03/27/crime




first thanks for finding this, I do recall seeing at least excerpts from around the time.

I realize that this whole thing is to avoid lawsuits (the other part of this is that the courts already capped damages at 100k so not signing the settlement buys you nothing except a possible shot at overturning that).

But the fact is, you cannot stop crazy people from doing crazy things.
My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.