DUmpmonkiez discuss Zimm evidence: Find 'truth'

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XemaSab (57,598 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023292947

Is there any evidence that Zimmerman hit Trayvon?

Nope.

rainy (4,409 posts)
76. Didn't Rachael say Zimmerman pushed Trayvon?

Yup. Right after she said she heard wet grass.

MaeScott (325 posts)
118. Yes she said Trayvon said get off me....

....and his hood string was pulled almost from the hood. Z was trying to " detain" the teen.. He put his hands on that child...then he shot him when Trayvon tried to defend himself.

Evidence? Nope.

JDPriestly (39,327 posts)
69. If Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman, where were Trayvon's hands?

How was Trayvon supporting himself. Did his pant legs have mud on them? Did they show that Trayvon had kneeled or put his knees on the ground?

Could you describe how Trayvon was leaning way, way over Zimmerman?

I haven't been able to picture how Trayvon leaned over Zimmerman.

Was Trayvon sitting on Zimmerman's legs? Was he kneeling on the ground, straddling Zimmerman?

If so, where would the placement of Trayvon's knees have been in relationship to Zimmerman's body? At what point on Zimmerman's body would they have been?

I can't see how, if Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman, Zimmerman could have pulled out his gun. Seems to me his holster would have hit the ground somewhere. I can't see how Zimmerman could have pulled the gun out of his holster and shot Trayvon pretty close to straight in the chest. Seems to me Zimmerman's arm would have had difficulty crossing in front of his body to get a right angle. The story is just not credible to me.

Somebody didn't watch the trial.

wercal (550 posts)
117. The defense put into evidence photos of the pants

These photos were taken by the defense, under the supervision of the police.

There are grass stains. You can scroll down for yourself and see the photo here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries

You can choose, as some have here, not to believe this.

You can claim, as some have, the stains were applied later.

You can claim, as others have, that these aren't the same pants.

You can claim, as others have, that this is just some rw website.

Or you can accept the fact that there are stains right there for your eyes to see.

Obvious troll.
 

yardwork (37,651 posts)
81. Zimmerman might have been pulling on Trayvon's shirt.

I think that Zimmerman, fantasizing about being a cop, tried to "apprehend" Trayvon. Zimmerman may have grabbed the front of Trayvon's shirt.

From Trayvon's point of view he was attacked by a stranger. OF COURSE he resisted. He was terrified - for good reason.

Zimmerman executed an unarmed teenager. The fact that a lot of people think that is just fine says terrible things about our country. I know I don't plan to to Florida ever again, and gun control - never a big focus to me - has jumped much higher on my list if priorities.

The Second Amendment shouldn't give white people the right to shoot any black male they happen to see.

nigga, please.

LaydeeBug (4,831 posts)
107. The racist Sanford PD never COLLECTED evidence from GZ, only TM.

Because someone from the Prosecutor's office called and told them there was no case and the let GZ go. Then the national outrage sparked charges...three weeks later

yardwork (37,651 posts)
96. What happened is that a man shot an unarmed kid

I don't believe that you or the majority of Zimmerman supporters think that Zimmerman actually had to kill in self defense. You know that is bs.

You're glad that your right to shoot "suspicious" minorities is intact. I intend to do what I can to take that privilege away from you. I really am coming for your guns now.

Yes, come for my guns!!! BANG!

Control-Z (8,419 posts)
3. Is there any evidence that Trayvon hit Zimmerman?

wait for it...

Pelican (830 posts)
25. Good just saw repeated punch like motions towards Zimmermans head...

... but said he didn't see any connect.

Martin may have just been flattening the earth around the head to make it more aesthetically pleasing.

 

Pelican (830 posts)
42. Good was the only one that gave compelling testimony...

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IOW, he saw the black teenager in the dark hoodie on top throwing punches at the hispanic guy in the red top on the bottom.

Not to mention the physical evidence (wounds, bullet forensics etc...)

The witnesses you are referring to talked about "the big one on the smaller one"

Hard to compare...

hrmjustin (12,243 posts)
49. That does not say who started it. Zimmerman was following Trayvon and Trayvon had to defend himself.

Do you have any sympathy for Trayvon?

Pelican (830 posts)
61. That's exactly the point...

There was zero evidence that Zimmerman acted violently again Martin other than the gunshot.

There was evidence that Martin acted violently against Zimmerman. Zimmerman's head wounds and facial wounds, Martin's wounds on his hands, gun forensics that show Martin on top and witness testimony that Martin was on top attacking.

Do we know with utter certainty who started what based on evidence? No.

The reality though, is that the benefit of the doubt goes to the one that has the most evidence, even if it is not 100% conclusive. That would be Zimmerman and that's why the jury ruled the way they did.

 
That is the truth... not that DU will listen...

uppityperson (75,747 posts)
66. "if he started it"? What. The. ****. No sympathy for a 17 who got shot dead "if he started it".

Yeah, Trayvon started the whole thing and you have no sympathy. Wtf

BainsBane (13,203 posts)
95. He wasn't carrying a gun

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and plus he was back. Some only have sympathy for killers, not victims. Zimmerman did exactly what some the worst gun nuts would like to do. I wonder how many have gone hunting for their own black man to shoot since the verdict? One here has said he isn't ever concerned about Zimmerman's future victims but is instead worried about poor Zimmerman. Evidently we should spend our time worrying about killers instead of victims. If the victim doesn't have a gun, he's worthless as far as some are concerned

Bigtitties speaks: **** the truth... we want justice!!!

BainsBane (13,203 posts)
108. Your excuse that you're not operating from emotion is BS

You are emotional. You identify with Zimmerman because you carry a gun and see yourself doing what he did. You fear someone attacking you, so you sympathize with Zimmerman and believe his version of events. To pretend that isn't based on emotion is ludicrous. You gunners act like human compassion is a negative emotion while the fear and paranoia that grip you is somehow rational. It's the other way around. There is nothing rational about your position on this case or on guns in general. Your entire ideology is based on paranoia. The rest of us don't go through life so frightened we feel we need to carry a gun to get through the day.

BainsBane (13,203 posts)
103. The jury was racist

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They believed the white man over the black woman. They valued a white killer's life over an innocent black teenager. Obviously they aren't alone in thinking African Americans live are worthless.

It gets worse from there on.

yardwork (37,651 posts)
99. You can throw all the dust in the air but the dead child remains

I'm through arguing with people who want to kill black children.

 

[Skul]

I thought their BS was starting to taper off. 
*Jugs* is really getting her stupid on. 

[Reality vs DU]

BainsBane (13,203 posts)
103. The jury was racist

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They believed the white man over the black woman. They valued a white killer's life over an innocent black teenager. Obviously they aren't alone in thinking African Americans live are worthless.

For having an alleged PHD in whatever, you are dumber than a ****ing box of rocks.  You have absolutely no idea what's in the hearts of each jury member.  Crying racism because it didn't go your way is par for the course though.

yardwork (37,651 posts)
99. You can throw all the dust in the air but the dead child remains

I'm through arguing with people who want to kill black children.

If you believe Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman had to defend himself you want to kill black children.  Astounding. 

You DUmb****s have been stunningly predictable on this.

[dandi]

For having an alleged PHD in whatever, you are dumber than a ****ing box of rocks.  You have absolutely no idea what's in the hearts of each jury member.  Crying racism because it didn't go your way is par for the course though.

If you believe Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman had to defend himself you want to kill black children.  Astounding.

The people exhibiting this kind of denial and magical thinking are walking the halls of academia and given the responsibility for teaching critical thinking to America's youth. They're also out there casting votes for who leads this country. Is it any wonder we're falling farther and farther behind as a country? Anyone talking like that in a psychiatrist's office would have the therapist subtly reaching for the button that calls the orderlies with their straight jacket.

[J P Sousa]

  BainsBane (13,203 posts)
103. The jury was racist

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:28 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

They believed the white man over the black woman. They valued a white killer's life over an innocent black teenager. Obviously they aren't alone in thinking African Americans live are worthless. 

I think they are really saying that women (jurors) can't make a good decision.   
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[obumazombie]

Anyone remember "A Few Good Men".
It applies directly to all these race baiters saying "I think this happened", or "I
think that happened".

"It doesn't matter what I believe (think), it only matters what I can prove".

http://www.hark.com/clips/kgfktzwqzl-it-only-matters-what-i-can-prove

[Delmar]

Response to uppityperson (Reply #66)Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:12 AM
 BainsBane (13,236 posts)
95. He wasn't carrying a gun

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:31 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

and plus he was back. Some only have sympathy for killers, not victims. Zimmerman did exactly what some the worst gun nuts would like to do. I wonder how many have gone hunting for their own black man to shoot since the verdict? One here has said he isn't ever concerned about Zimmerman's future victims but is instead worried about poor Zimmerman. Evidently we should spend our time worrying about killers instead of victims. If the victim doesn't have a gun, he's worthless as far as some are concerned.

The top-heavy primitive making a fool out of herself.  Standing out as a dimwit in a sea of dimwits.  Jugs, you simpleton, Zimmerman was the victim, that is why the jury didn't convict him.

[obumazombie]

owebuma's calls for justice for Trayvon have hit his target audience...

http://freebeacon.com/irans-mullahs-demand-justice-for-trayvon/

[AprilRazz]

BainsBane (13,203 posts)
103. The jury was racist

They believed the white man over the black woman. They valued a white killer's life over an innocent black teenager. Obviously they aren't alone in thinking African Americans live are worthless. 

If tits were brains you would be freaking Einstein.

Stupid jury believed the white eye witness with the consistent testimony more than the black teenager on the phone that couldn't keep her story straight.

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yardwork (37,651 posts)
99. You can throw all the dust in the air but the dead child remains

I'm through arguing with people who want to kill black children.

This DUmmy probably doesn't argue with Planned un-Parenthood, either.


Okay, I've decided that Martin was guilty of ageism/age discrimination.  He probably thought, as the younger of the two, that he could easily whoop up on the middle-aged guy.