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Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« on: June 17, 2008, 10:52:01 AM »

well, this is one way to make virginia instantly more competitive.  and it is fully in harmony
with BHO's endless mantra about how he is "expanding the party". :whatever:

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Groups Push to Restore Va. Felons' Voting Rights

RICHMOND -- Civic and social organizations are teaming with Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine to try to add thousands of nonviolent offenders to the voting rolls in time for the November election, a move that has angered Republicans who say the effort is designed to help Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign.

Under Virginia's constitution, people convicted of a felony automatically lose their right to vote for life, which has resulted in an estimated 300,000 residents being disenfranchised, even though they are not in prison.

But a Virginia governor can restore a felon's voting rights. Under a process set up by former governor Mark R. Warner (D) , felons convicted of nonviolent crimes can apply to have their voting rights restored if they have a clean record for three years after their sentence has been completed. People convicted of violent felonies, which in Virginia includes selling drugs, have to wait five years.

Earlier this year, Kaine (D) promised that his administration would expedite a review of applications from nonviolent felons who submit their papers by Aug. 1.

The former inmates would be able to register in time to vote in the November presidential contest between Obama (Ill.) and Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive GOP nominee. The felons also would get their rights back to sit on a jury and hold public office.

"The whole name of the game is once they get out and once they serve their time and they have demonstrated they want to get into mainstream society and be good citizens, it's just fundamental to that, they have their civil rights restored," said Bernard Henderson, deputy secretary of the commonwealth, whose office is charged with processing the applications.

Only Virginia and Kentucky require an act of the governor to restore voting rights to felons. The vast majority of states, including Maryland, automatically restore voting rights after a sentence is completed. The District allows felons to vote upon release from prison. Maine and Vermont even allow felons to vote from jail.

The Kaine administration's efforts come as a coalition of groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP, have launched an ambitious drive to get convicted felons information on how they can apply to have their voting rights restored.

The groups have taken out newspaper ads, spread the word through churches and gone door to door, urging felons to apply to Kaine.

"A lot of felons operate under the miscomprehension that loss of their voting rights is permanent, so what we are doing, is saying, 'No, no, no, there is a way,' " said Gwinnett Hagens, executive director of Democracy South, a Virginia Beach social justice organization that is reaching out to tens of thousands of unregistered voters in Hampton Roads.

Henderson isn't sure how many applications to expect but said, "It is going to be a challenge for us if we get absolutely swamped, but we will divert staff to do this."

Kent Willis, executive director of the Virginia branch of the ACLU, and other activists say the campaign to register more felons is a civil rights issue, not a political one.

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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 11:01:56 AM »

being the washington post, they bury the point in the last third of the story:

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Some political strategists say former inmates are the largest block of unregistered voters over age 18 in Virginia. The Sentencing Project, a Washington-based group that supports criminal justice reform, estimates that 20 percent of Virginia's black population is ineligible to vote because they are in prison or have a past felony conviction.

Amy Brundage, an Obama spokeswoman, said there is "no organized effort to target ex-offenders" in Virginia. But some Obama workers are providing information to felons about how they can get their rights restored.

"If you are in areas where there are large numbers of unregistered voters, one of the reasons you see that is they are ineligible because of felony convictions," said Kristin Szakos, co-chairman of Charlottesville Area Obama Volunteers, adding that canvassers carry "restoration of rights" forms.


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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 11:08:08 AM »
I really, really hate that they used the word "disenfranchised" to describe convicted felons who can no longer vote. THEY chose to commit a crime. THEY should pay the consequences.

God, this state is so screwy sometimes.
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 11:19:09 AM »
I really, really hate that they used the word "disenfranchised" to describe convicted felons who can no longer vote. THEY chose to commit a crime. THEY should pay the consequences.

God, this state is so screwy sometimes.

indeed.  by their own actions, they disqualified themselves as voters.

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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 11:36:33 AM »
I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders that have served their time and parole being allowed to vote again. 

In my fantasy world, I'd like to think that the felons have turned their life around and are trying to become productive citizens and voting is one of those things.
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 11:39:39 AM »
I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders that have served their time and parole being allowed to vote again. 

In my fantasy world, I'd like to think that the felons have turned their life around and are trying to become productive citizens and voting is one of those things.

I have a problem with the ranks of the convicted being mined or aggressively solicited for votes for a particular candidate, which is pretty clearly what is happening here.





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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 11:41:00 AM »
I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders that have served their time and parole being allowed to vote again. 

In my fantasy world, I'd like to think that the felons have turned their life around and are trying to become productive citizens and voting is one of those things.

I have a problem with the ranks of the formerly convicted being mined or aggressively solicited for votes for a particular candidate, which is pretty clearly what is happening here.







I see what you're saying and I agree with that.  I hate to see them pushing for something like this during an election year.  If people really cared about giving non-violent felons the right to vote, they would do it in an off year. 
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 11:46:57 AM »
It's pandering and so transparent. I disagree with the idea in principle but especially this time around.
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2008, 11:52:02 AM »
I don't have a problem with non-violent offenders that have served their time and parole being allowed to vote again. 

In my fantasy world, I'd like to think that the felons have turned their life around and are trying to become productive citizens and voting is one of those things.

Recidivism is very high among criminals. 
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2008, 11:53:11 AM »
Felons should be allowed to vote.

I don't remember our founding fathers saying they can't.

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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 11:57:25 AM »
Felons should be allowed to vote.

I don't remember our founding fathers saying they can't.



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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 11:57:51 AM »
There was a SCOTUS case in the 70's that said that the 14th Amend. gives states the right to deny felons the right to vote.
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 11:58:24 AM »
"that 20 percent of Virginia's black population is ineligible to vote because they are in prison or have a past felony conviction."


most typically a violent/drug offense.
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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 12:01:18 PM »
Felons should be allowed to vote.

I don't remember our founding fathers saying they can't.

voter eligibility this is one of those relatively few cases that we should all be relieved that the founders weren't the last word on an issue.



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Re: Groups Push to Restore Virginia Felons' Voting Rights
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2008, 12:05:28 PM »
"Under a process set up by former governor Mark R. Warner (D) , felons convicted of nonviolent crimes can apply to have their voting rights restored if they have a clean record for three years after their sentence has been completed. People convicted of violent felonies, which in Virginia includes selling drugs, have to wait five years."

^^This just shows that the current push to restore felon voting rights is nothing but a political ploy. They are worried about Ooooooobama. Funny, I was reading my hometown newspaper and they are doing the same thing there. Here's a snippet from what I read:

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"Black voters are disproportionately affected by disenfranchisement policies," said Marc Mauer, executive director of the national organization the Sentencing Project. "The racial disproportions in the criminal justice system translate into higher rates of disenfranchisement for African-Americans.

"But black communities as a whole are affected by these policies since they have relatively fewer voters than other communities, and therefore their community interests receive less representation."

Mauer said even though some 5 million people are disenfranchised in the United States because they are felons, it's hard to say how that affects voting. Regardless, Mauer said their vote loss is not fair.

"It's difficult to say how elections would be affected if these felons were allowed to vote because we can't necessarily predict how many would vote and who they would vote for.

"But we believe this issue should be decided on the basis of principle, not voting patterns. That is similar to women and African-Americans gaining the right to vote, it was the right thing to do regardless of voting patterns," Mauer said.

When asked about his favorite candidate in this year's presidential race, 31-year-old Steven Hubbard didn't hesitate to say, "Obama's my man."

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