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Between March 1948 and Jaunuary 2009 the UNSC issued 224 Resolutions concerning/condemning Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Are you smart enough to spot the specious claim/complaints?

"The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab-Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 March)
Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 September)
Resolution 111: The Palestine Question (January 19, 1956) " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
Resolution 113: The Palestine Question (4 April)
Resolution 114: The Palestine Question (4 June)
Resolution 127: The Palestine Question (January 22, 1958) " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
Resolution 138: (June 23, 1960) Question relating to the case of Israel's capture of Adolf Eichmann, concerning Argentina's complaint that Israel breached its sovereignty.
Resolution 162: The Palestine Question (April 11, 1961) " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
Resolution 171: The Palestine Question (April 9, 1962) " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions

I guess you're either brain-dead or lack basic reading conprehension skills, so I'll say it again,


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george is a persistent little anti semite. I'll give him that.
Single-issue zealots usually are.
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When I look at North Korea today I see the result of the US prohibiting all Koreans the right of self-determination in 1945 in exactly the same way the UN denied Jews and Arabs the same opportunity in 1948. What part of one person/one vote scares you the most?

You're kidding right?  Wait...sadly you're not.  You're revising history to completely ignore who attacked whom in June of 1950.  You're completely whitewashing over the brutal nature of Communist regimes, particularly the one in Pyongyang.

If the U.S. was preventing self determination, then South Korea would be in the same boat as the North.  Yet look at how they are flourishing in a Democratic free market society.

The North cold have the same and Korea could be unified again if the North would ever get rid of it's Communist oppressors.  But N. Korea is hell bent on reuniting the peninsula under Communist rule.  And that's never gonna happen.

Kinda like the way the Palestinians could have their own land but refuse too because of who their neighbor is.

Why don't you just go ahead and admit it...there is NOTHING you will ever credit the U.S. for as far as doing anything good or positive.  You hate Capitalism with a passion and detest democracy just as much.

We have one person one vote...every where there is Democracy.  What part of that do you not get?


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Between March 1948 and Jaunuary 2009 the UNSC issued 224 Resolutions concerning/condemning Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Are you smart enough to spot the specious claim/complaints?

"The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab-Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 March)
Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 September)
Resolution 111: The Palestine Question (January 19, 1956) " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
Resolution 113: The Palestine Question (4 April)
Resolution 114: The Palestine Question (4 June)
Resolution 127: The Palestine Question (January 22, 1958) " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
Resolution 138: (June 23, 1960) Question relating to the case of Israel's capture of Adolf Eichmann, concerning Argentina's complaint that Israel breached its sovereignty.
Resolution 162: The Palestine Question (April 11, 1961) " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
Resolution 171: The Palestine Question (April 9, 1962) " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions

All or most of them.  Like I said before...Hamas Hezbollah or the PLO fire rockets at Israeli civilians...the IDF retaliates as they are justified to do and suddenly there's a complaint about Israel at the U.N.

You want everyone here to recognize the right to self determination and self defense by the Palestinians...yet refuse to give that same right to the Israelis.

Why is that?
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All or most of them.  Like I said before...Hamas Hezbollah or the PLO fire rockets at Israeli civilians...the IDF retaliates as they are justified to do and suddenly there's a complaint about Israel at the U.N.

You want everyone here to recognize the right to self determination and self defense by the Palestinians...yet refuse to give that same right to the Israelis.

Why is that?
Because 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon 1.2 million non-Jews living between the River and the sea in 1948. No Jewish state? No Hamas or Hezbollah today.

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

UN Security Council
Resolution 43
Date:   April 1 1948
Meeting no.:   277
Code:   S/714, I (Document)
Vote:   For: 11 Abs.: 0 Against: 0
Subject:   The Palestine question
Result:   Adopted
Security Council composition in 1948:
permanent members:
 CHN  FRA  UK  USA  USSR
non-permanent members:
 ARG  BEL  CAN
 COL  SYR  UKR
"United Nations Security Council Resolution 43, adopted unanimously on April 1, 1948, notes the increasing violence and disorder in Palestine, calling upon the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee to make representatives available to the Security Council to arrange and enforce a truce. The Resolution further calls upon armed Arab and Jewish groups to cease acts of violence immediately."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_43

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Dafuq kind of retard talk is this? Is the UN going to send their army to destroy Israel if they get out of line or something? Good ****ing luck, Prog. The UN has no ****ing bearing on Israel's existence.
You're confused about UNSCOP and the role it played in the creation of the Jewish state?

"The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was created on 15 May 1947[1][2] in response to a United Kingdom government request that the General Assembly 'make recommendations under article 10 of the Charter, concerning the future government of Palestine'. The British government had also recommended the establishment of a special committee to prepare a report for the General Assembly."

At the end of WWII the Brits were smart enough to choose democracy over empire so they handed their Palestine Problem off to the UN. Without the legal fig leaf provided by the UN, Israel would've been born dead, diplomatically speaking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSCOP

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Because 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon 1.2 million non-Jews living between the River and the sea in 1948.

You can keep repeating this until your racist @ss is finally banned form here.  But it's a bald faced lie...and it's been proven repeatedly to be a bald faced lie.


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No Jewish state? No Hamas or Hezbollah today.

Hezbollah was originally founded to fight the Christians in Lebanon.  Israel has it'self to blame for Hamas ONLY because they encouraged Islamic activists in Gaza to counter the influence of the PLO.

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"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

UN Security Council
Resolution 43
Date:   April 1 1948
Meeting no.:   277
Code:   S/714, I (Document)
Vote:   For: 11 Abs.: 0 Against: 0
Subject:   The Palestine question
Result:   Adopted
Security Council composition in 1948:
permanent members:
 CHN  FRA  UK  USA  USSR
non-permanent members:
 ARG  BEL  CAN
 COL  SYR  UKR
"United Nations Security Council Resolution 43, adopted unanimously on April 1, 1948, notes the increasing violence and disorder in Palestine, calling upon the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee to make representatives available to the Security Council to arrange and enforce a truce. The Resolution further calls upon armed Arab and Jewish groups to cease acts of violence immediately."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_43

You realize at that the time, the land that would become israel was still in British control don't you?  And that Israel didn't become a state until four months AFTER that was filed?

Your blind hate and narrow single minded bigotry for the Jews has prevented you from doing anything approaching critical thinking or reasoning.  Otherwise you'd have read what you posted...known when Israel was founded...and erased your stupidity.

Instead you decided to hit "post" and let everyone see what a clueless @ssclown you really are.
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22 countries and territories of the Arab League stretching from the Atlantic Ocean in the west to the Arabian Sea in the east, and from the Mediterranean Sea in the north to the Horn of Africa and the Indian Ocean in the southeast...a combined population of around 422 million people, with over half under 25 years of age and since 1948 they've blamed all of their problems on a postage stamp of a country barely 15 miles wide at some points.

The dirty little secret is they don't want any resolution to the problem solved.  It's easier to blame the Jews and fan the flames of racism with anti-Semitic propaganda and dogma than fix your own problems.  If the crsis were to end who would the leaders of those countries have to blame for the piss poor economies and low standards of living for their citizens?

How pathetic is that?
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You're kidding right?  Wait...sadly you're not.  You're revising history to completely ignore who attacked whom in June of 1950.  You're completely whitewashing over the brutal nature of Communist regimes, particularly the one in Pyongyang.

If the U.S. was preventing self determination, then South Korea would be in the same boat as the North.  Yet look at how they are flourishing in a Democratic free market society.

The North cold have the same and Korea could be unified again if the North would ever get rid of it's Communist oppressors.  But N. Korea is hell bent on reuniting the peninsula under Communist rule.  And that's never gonna happen.

Kinda like the way the Palestinians could have their own land but refuse too because of who their neighbor is.

Why don't you just go ahead and admit it...there is NOTHING you will ever credit the U.S. for as far as doing anything good or positive.  You hate Capitalism with a passion and detest democracy just as much.

We have one person one vote...every where there is Democracy.  What part of that do you not get?



You don't know enough Korean/US history to accuse anyone of revising it.
That history started long before 1950, and it began badly for the US (imperialist) side.
Feel like a Pop Quiz on Korea, Clown?
Meet your professor:

"GARY LEUPP is an an associate professor, Department of History, Tufts University and coordinator, Asian Studies Program. He can be reached at: gleupp@tufts.edu..."

Here's your first chance to demonstrate how much you know about US meddling in Korea:

"1. In 1866 the U.S. merchant ship General Sherman defied the laws of Korea (then pursuing a policy of strict isolation) by entering Korean waters, and sailing up the Taedong River towards Pyongyang to demand trade. What happened to the ship?

a. It was attacked by local people and soldiers, burned, and sunk, with the loss of its entire crew.

b. Its crew was politely told that since Korea was a satrapy of China all negotiations concerning commerce had to take place via Beijing.

c. It was welcomed, and Korean officials began discussing with the Americans a Treaty of Amity and Commerce."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/

Get it...General Sherman burned to the waterline in Pyongyang; do you think any of the crew hailed from Atlanta?

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You don't know enough Korean/US history to accuse anyone of revising it.
That history started long before 1950, and it began badly for the US (imperialist) side.
Feel like a Pop Quiz on Korea, Clown?
Meet your professor:

"GARY LEUPP is an an associate professor, Department of History, Tufts University and coordinator, Asian Studies Program. He can be reached at: gleupp@tufts.edu..."

Here's your first chance to demonstrate how much you know about US meddling in Korea:

"1. In 1866 the U.S. merchant ship General Sherman defied the laws of Korea (then pursuing a policy of strict isolation) by entering Korean waters, and sailing up the Taedong River towards Pyongyang to demand trade. What happened to the ship?

a. It was attacked by local people and soldiers, burned, and sunk, with the loss of its entire crew.

b. Its crew was politely told that since Korea was a satrapy of China all negotiations concerning commerce had to take place via Beijing.

c. It was welcomed, and Korean officials began discussing with the Americans a Treaty of Amity and Commerce."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/

Get it...General Sherman burned to the waterline in Pyongyang; do you think any of the crew hailed from Atlanta?

NONE of this has anything to do with what caused the Nort/South split on the peninsula or the driving factors surrounding it.

As usual when faced with someone who knows more about the current Korean situation than you...you troll through Wiki until you find some 200 year old slight by America and go "HA! see America is EVIL".

It's a typical Libtard manuver when they are completely incapable of debating modern history on the subject.  It's a popular move among the primitives at Du as well.
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Here's a couple of 20th Century events who consequences continue to affect millions of Americans, Koreans, Japanese, and Filipinos:

"3. After the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, Japan acquired control over Korea, annexing it formally in 1910. In 1905 Japanese Prime Minister Katsura Tar? met secretly with U.S. Secretary of War William Howard Taft, producing the Taft-Katsura Agreement in which the U.S. recognized Japan’s interests in Korea. What did the U.S. receive in return?

a. Japanese agreement to limit emigration to the U.S.

b. Japanese recognition of U.S. colonial rule over the Philippines.

c. Japan’s renunciation to all claims to the Hawai’ian Islands.

4. At the Yalta Conference in February 1945, U.S. President Roosevelt and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin discussed the postwar future of Korea. Stalin advocated independence as soon as possible. Roosevelt

a. agreed to immediate independence

b. advocated a trusteeship of 20-30 years, citing the positive example of U.S. rule in the Philippines

c. suggested Korea remain a part of the Japanese Empire, to be occupied by Allied forces."

Can you connect those dots?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/31/a-pop-quiz-on-korea/

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The only "dots" I see connecting her is you continuing to use heavily biased hard left wing sources to try and justify a very ignorant stance on this that is short on facts and long on propaganda.
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The only "dots" I see connecting her is you continuing to use heavily biased hard left wing sources to try and justify a very ignorant stance on this that is short on facts and long on propaganda.

That's always the hard part, separating facts from propaganda.
We would have to agree on factual sources for any reasonable debate to be useful.

Here's Wiki's version of Taft-Katsura:

"The Taft–Katsura Agreement (Japanese: 桂・タフト協定 Hepburn: Katsura-Tafuto Kyōtei?, also known as the Taft Katsura Memorandum) was a 1905 discussion between senior leaders of Japan and the United States regarding the positions of the two nations in greater East Asian affairs, especially regarding the status of Korea and Philippines in the aftermath of Japan's victory in the Russo Japanese War..."

"Some Korean historians (e.g., Ki-baik Lee, author of A New History of Korea, (Harvard U. Press, 1984) believe that the Taft–Katsura Agreement violated the 'Korean–American Treaty of Amity and Commerce' signed at Incheon on May 22, 1882 because the Joseon Government considered that treaty constituted a de facto mutual defense treaty while the Americans did not.

"The Joseon Dynasty, however, ended in 1897.

"The Agreement has been cited by some in Korea as an example that the United States cannot be trusted with regards to Korean security and sovereignty issues.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Katsura_Agreement#Korean_reaction

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That's always the hard part, separating facts from propaganda.

Yeah we've all noticed you have that problem.


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We would have to agree on factual sources for any reasonable debate to be useful.

Well here's a hint lefty magazines...Noam Chomsky acolytes...and Egyptian sponsored websites are NOT factual sources.

But you'll never agree to not use them because with out them as back up...you're racist diatribe is nothing.

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Here's Wiki's version of Taft-Katsura:

"The Taft–Katsura Agreement (Japanese: 桂・タフト協定 Hepburn: Katsura-Tafuto Kyōtei?, also known as the Taft Katsura Memorandum) was a 1905 discussion between senior leaders of Japan and the United States regarding the positions of the two nations in greater East Asian affairs, especially regarding the status of Korea and Philippines in the aftermath of Japan's victory in the Russo Japanese War..."

"Some Korean historians (e.g., Ki-baik Lee, author of A New History of Korea, (Harvard U. Press, 1984) believe that the Taft–Katsura Agreement violated the 'Korean–American Treaty of Amity and Commerce' signed at Incheon on May 22, 1882 because the Joseon Government considered that treaty constituted a de facto mutual defense treaty while the Americans did not.

"The Joseon Dynasty, however, ended in 1897.

"The Agreement has been cited by some in Korea as an example that the United States cannot be trusted with regards to Korean security and sovereignty issues.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Katsura_Agreement#Korean_reaction

Still nothing there that puts the blame of how the two Koreas are today on the U.S.

But hey go ahead and keep contorting yourself like a pretzel to avoid the obvious answer.
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When I look at North Korea today I see the result of the US prohibiting all Koreans the right of self-determination in 1945 in exactly the same way the UN denied Jews and Arabs the same opportunity in 1948. What part of one person/one vote scares you the most?

Why didn't you provide the link/source of your information, as requested?

You are progressing, however. You're finally spewing your own vile, bitter hatred rather than cutting and pasting someone else's spew.

Well done, george. You'd be a rock star in the Third Reich.
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Why didn't you provide the link/source of your information, as requested?

You are progressing, however. You're finally spewing your own vile, bitter hatred rather than cutting and pasting someone else's spew.

Well done, george. You'd be a rock star in the Third Reich.
How many Reichs were there ?
Let's help our little anti semite a bit...

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Why didn't you provide the link/source of your information, as requested?

You are progressing, however. You're finally spewing your own vile, bitter hatred rather than cutting and pasting someone else's spew.

Well done, george. You'd be a rock star in the Third Reich.
Surely you have no objections to Wiki's spew:

"September 7, 1945, General MacArthur announced that Lieutenant General John R. Hodge was to administer Korean affairs, and Hodge landed in Incheon with his troops the next day. The troops occupied Southern Korea and took over comfort stations, then the women in comfort stations became western princess.[8]

"The Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea sent a delegation with three interpreters, but he refused to meet with them.

"Thus, they refused to recognize the People's Republic of Korea or the Korean Provisional Government.[9]

"In September 1946, South Korean citizens rose up against the Allied Military Government.

"The President of the Korean People's Government, the government-in-exile in Shanghai, and ardent anti-communist Syngman Rhee, was considered an acceptable candidate to provisionally lead the country since he was considered friendly to the US, having traveled and studied stateside.

"Under Rhee, the southern government conducted a number of military campaigns against left-wing insurgents who took up arms against the government and persecuted other political opponents. Over the course of the next few years, between 30,000[10] and 100,000 people would lose their lives during the war against the left-wing insurgents.[11]

"In April, 1948, Jeju islanders rose up against South Korean officials, and South Korea sent troops to repress the rebellion.

"Tens of thousands of islanders were killed and 70% of the villages were burned by the South Korean troops."

If a US General hadn't opposed Korean reunification elections in 1945, millions of Korean and thousands of US lives would not have been $acrificed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea#South_Korea

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Surely you have no objections to Wiki's spew:

"September 7, 1945, General MacArthur announced that Lieutenant General John R. Hodge was to administer Korean affairs, and Hodge landed in Incheon with his troops the next day. The troops occupied Southern Korea and took over comfort stations, then the women in comfort stations became western princess.[8]

"The Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea sent a delegation with three interpreters, but he refused to meet with them.

"Thus, they refused to recognize the People's Republic of Korea or the Korean Provisional Government.[9]

"In September 1946, South Korean citizens rose up against the Allied Military Government.

"The President of the Korean People's Government, the government-in-exile in Shanghai, and ardent anti-communist Syngman Rhee, was considered an acceptable candidate to provisionally lead the country since he was considered friendly to the US, having traveled and studied stateside.

"Under Rhee, the southern government conducted a number of military campaigns against left-wing insurgents who took up arms against the government and persecuted other political opponents. Over the course of the next few years, between 30,000[10] and 100,000 people would lose their lives during the war against the left-wing insurgents.[11]

"In April, 1948, Jeju islanders rose up against South Korean officials, and South Korea sent troops to repress the rebellion.

"Tens of thousands of islanders were killed and 70% of the villages were burned by the South Korean troops."

If a US General hadn't opposed Korean reunification elections in 1945, millions of Korean and thousands of US lives would not have been $acrificed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea#South_Korea

WTF does THIS have to do with your racial and religious bigotry?
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WTF does THIS have to do with your racial and religious bigotry?

You and I both know the answer. However it does go a long way towards showing the lite racist is one of those Libtards that blames America for everything bad that's ever happened in the world.
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