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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 12:34:33 PM »
Quote from: Tucker on July 02, 2013, 06:47:24 PM
If you chose to not join the union, paying the 75% and the union called a strike, could you remain on the job?

You probably could but your car would need a great deal of body work after.  :hammer:
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 02:56:35 PM »
Quote from: Tucker on July 02, 2013, 06:47:24 PM
If you chose to not join the union, paying the 75% and the union called a strike, could you remain on the job?

Here's another side of that question; if you're paying the 75% and are non union and they call a strike and you walk, can you collect strike pay?

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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 04:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on July 03, 2013, 02:56:35 PM
Here's another side of that question; if you're paying the 75% and are non union and they call a strike and you walk, can you collect strike pay?

KC


Only if you refused first, then decided you wanted too, and filed a greivence (sp?) for double pay..
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 05:27:54 PM »
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2013, 05:32:40 PM »
Quote from: Wineslob on July 03, 2013, 09:39:38 AM
Read this:  http://www.insidebayarea.com/opinion/ci_23577926/mercury-news-editorial?source=rss_viewed

and you'll see why we HATE unions.

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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2013, 04:35:32 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on July 03, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2013, 09:23:52 AM »
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Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?

Because they're so contemptible, like this crybaby, the crying guy from the total failure of a recall effort against the mighty governor Scott Walker:

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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2013, 10:21:27 AM »
The only people that have reason to fear the unions, are its honest members.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ny-rail-retirees-disability-scam-lose-benefits-19554753#.UdWR950o7Dc
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NY Rail Retirees in Disability Scam Lose Benefits
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Two bits says the union tries to get their jobs back
The honest working man gets screwed by his/her "union" brothers/sisters.
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2013, 07:02:55 AM »
Unions are for the most part antiquated. They did a lot of good once, such as ending child labor and securing weekends off. Problem is, those were all decades ago. Unions haven't done anything of positive significance since then.
They have, in contrast, done a lot of harm in recent years. This is especially true of public- sector unions who hold entire populations of their area hostage to their demands when they strike. An example is the Wisconsin teacher's union strike; For weeks on end, children were deprived of an education because their union teachers cared more about increasingly fatter paychecks with zero accountability than about fulfilling their responsibility to provide a good education to the kids who were entrusted to them (Keep that in mind the next time some teacher is whining on the news about how they don't do it for the money, but because they supposedly love helping kids).
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Re: Why are so many Americans fearful/resentful of unions?
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2013, 08:05:10 AM »
Unions, used for their original intent, are merely a tool.  They were means of giving the employee a voice.  However, over the past several decades, they have become outdated, corrupt and a menace to society... (much like the government in many aspects).  If used properly, I don't believe a Union could be classified "bad" just like I don't believe guns kill- people do.  So... I will rant a little more...

I believe the reason they are still around is 2 fold. 1st- $$$.  2ND- "tradition."  I will speak about the 2ND point directly from experience in my family. My mother is a teacher in Kansas.  When she was hired, she was not given the option of joining a Union.  Rather, the question was "Which of the two do you want to join?"  Then, she was required by the State to pay monthly dues to this Union that supposedly voiced her concerns.  Over the course of 25+ years with this Union, she received about 5% pay increase (give or take based on the State's budget) and several $100 insurance cost increase- all negotiated by her "voice."  She never had the opportunity to negotiate her own worth.  Then, one day, she had a legal dispute with her school and a child's family. Instead of the Union coming to her defense, which was the intention of the Union Rep, the whole issue was swept under the table.  Thank goodness she did not receive a reprimand.  But the issue was never resolved to her satisfaction either.  If this Union had not been in place, she would have A) had the opportunity to show her worth thru her supervisor/ negotiate on an individual basis her pay and B) had the opportunity to hire her own representation that would have come to her defense with a vengeance.  Why did she go with a Union?  Because it was what was done.  There was no other choice.  Complete BS if you ask me.
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