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Offline Ptarmigan

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Civil war on DU
« on: June 30, 2013, 09:47:16 PM »
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DonCoquixote (5,841 posts)

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 Look, many of us are angry about Obama's NSA Policy. It cannot be defended, it cannot be sweetened, and yes, we need to make it clear to whoever wants to run in 2014 and 2016 that we will not tolerate this crap.

However, I have seen a lot of name calling where one side accuses people of being people who just hate Obama, and turn to the Libertarians, and the other keeps calling the other cultists.

Neither approach will help anyone but the GOP, as , yet again, we fight civil wars. We should not worship Obama, nor hate him, from get go, but sadly, both attitudes are easy to do, as many of the various forces under the democratic tent wanted either someone left of Dennis K. or to the right of Bill Clinton. But we need to get clear, not even civil, but clear, that the more we fight, the more ammo the oligarchy has.
Hey, you voted for Obama, so you own it!
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On the Road (20,379 posts)
1. I Appreciate the Sentiment,

but in the very first line of your post you refer to one side of the debate as indefensible.

Part of the resolution, if there is one, is to understand the physical and legal detail of what has actually gone on as opposed to mischaracterizations and suspicions. There is no way to establish common ground if the two sides have incompatible beliefs on what it is that they are supporting or objecting to.

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178. In a matter of conscience,

there can be no debate.

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Curmudgeoness (10,778 posts)
2. I believe most of us are not worshippers or haters of Obama.

I have stayed out of all these dust-ups, but have seen them and completely agree with you. Division of the Democrats is a major coupe for the Republicans, and we should not go there.

I have to believe that the majority of Democrats are expressing their opinions, but will still go to the polls and vote Democratic. These arguments will not stop that.

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1StrongBlackMan (5,805 posts)
53. Except ...

I, honestly, believe that most of the dust-ups are not Democrat vs Democrat; but rather, Democrat vs "liberal" or "Progressive" or "libertarian" that has/had voted for a Democrat.

I might be wrong; but I don't see Democrats among the Obama=evil crowd that has cropped up as of late.

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Curmudgeoness (10,778 posts)
60. I do not think Obama is evil, and I have supported him

in some things, and not in other things. I think that is normal. There is no way to find anyone who agrees with your opinions 100% of the time. But I don't see many Obama=evil people here on DU.....and the ones that I see are suspect. To be pissed off at something that he is supporting or not supporting is not the same. I have been pissed. And I am a Democrat, and I vote Democratic.

Don't know what is meant by "Democrat vs. liberal or progressive" since I consider them as equal. Maybe that is where I get disillusioned.

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arcane1 (20,260 posts)
3. I'm happy to K&R this rational thread.

I've seen way too much poo-flinging these past few weeks, and it's depressing.
DU has become very fractured. An Obama White House just makes it more fractured.

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leftstreet (22,346 posts)
5. If people want right-of-Clinton, they should vote GOP

There is no place for rightwingers in the Democratic party


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64. Actually, no it does not.

With all the DINO's 3rd Way, DLC, and other Right of center denizens, supporting and making excuses for Obama and both of the Clintons, I see his comments as describing the reality here.

You may be correct, maybe, that no one here wants Right of Clinton, but Clinton is plenty Right as it is. The real political Center is way over there to the Left, almost on the horizon now. What we call Center now, is the Right of 40 years ago.

The Democratic Party has many far left people.  :mental:

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L0oniX (18,362 posts)
6. After watching Bill Clinton take our party to the right I find it impossible to accept...

any farther movement to the right ...especially to appease new repuke converts, the anti socialist corporatists and apologists to the polluting of our constitution.

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railsback (1,130 posts)
7. One thing is for sure:

The GOP / Libertarians are laughing their asses off right now, watching the supposed righteousness of the Left suddenly accept circumstantial evidence as facts, and banging on the heads of those who require more substance. Its just like how they run the Tea Party.

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zeemike (11,290 posts)
105. No they are laughing at us because some of us

Have joined them in wanting a police state just like they do...they have moved some of us to their side...
You don't see them calling out Obama for NSA spying...they win on this.

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railsback (1,130 posts)
114. No, they're laughing because after years of accusing the Right of being fact-free

the Left is suddenly embracing it while demonizing detractors.. just like the Tea Party. It IS funny.

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DonCoquixote (5,841 posts)
150. first off, define "my side"

I have slammed Obama, and praised Obama, as my journal will show.

Second, the post was about the name calling, asking it to stop, because a civil war will only encourage the GOP.

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nadinbrzezinski (122,815 posts)
16. Wait for 2014

I can't

Though I said my piece regarding national elections...pretty much done.

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dbackjon (3,765 posts)
61. I would say the same on Obama's gay rights policies

Only thing that should be 100% defended is the immediate support for nationwide gay marriage, and passing the ENDA immediately.

Yet, from day one of DU, and of the Obama adminstration, those that fight for equality for all have been dismissed, called names, sent hate mail, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3130655

I like watching DUmmies fight each other.  :lmao: :rotf: :rofl:
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 09:51:16 PM »
 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: at that chart the primitive posted.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 09:52:08 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on June 30, 2013, 09:51:16 PM
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: at that chart the primitive posted.

Everyone right of them is extremely far right to them.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 10:33:39 PM »
SISSY FIGHT!

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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 10:40:02 PM »
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 05:52:15 AM »
I rather like the elephant/teapot symbol above.  I may steal the concept and re-do the artwork later.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 09:02:56 AM »


 :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM »
There's no civil war on Skin's island. If a prez election were held today, they'd vote for the D candidate no matter who they were.

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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 10:21:07 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on July 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
There's no civil war on Skin's island. If a prez election were held today, they'd vote for the D candidate no matter who they were.

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The devil would be their perfect candidate.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2013, 12:30:55 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 01, 2013, 10:21:07 AM
The devil would be their perfect candidate.

Isn't that who we have now?
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 01:16:00 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on July 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
There's no civil war on Skin's island. If a prez election were held today, they'd vote for the D candidate no matter who they were.

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Sure explains their anger at Ralph Nader. I wonder if they would vote for a Conservative Democrat.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 02:28:44 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on July 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
There's no civil war on Skin's island. If a prez election were held today, they'd vote for the D candidate no matter who they were.

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Yep, he/she could be a pedophile, snortin' inner tubes, huffin' fast build primer and these loonie toons would still pull the "D" lever!
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 02:32:45 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on July 01, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
Yep, he/she could be a pedophile, snortin' inner tubes, huffin' fast build primer and these loonie toons would still pull the "D" lever!

In their case, it could be a politician found with a dead girl or a live boy in his bed.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 03:00:38 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on July 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
There's no civil war on Skin's island. If a prez election were held today, they'd vote for the D candidate no matter who they were.

That is the only reason Skins' Island exists.

To corral the moonbats in one place, herd them to the polls on Election Day, and hold their hands as they vote (D).
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 08:38:52 AM »
Quote from: 67 Rover on July 01, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
Isn't that who we have now?

Nope, the devil would be a competent leader, not the clown we have in there now.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 08:41:07 AM »
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105. No they are laughing at us because some of us.

No DUmbass, we are laughing at all of you, not just some.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 09:04:46 AM »
Quote from: Zathras on July 02, 2013, 08:41:07 AM
No DUmbass, we are laughing at all of you, not just some.

I don't laugh at all of the DUmmies all of the time....just most of them most of the time.....the others times, I'm usually in a rage.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2013, 01:58:27 PM »
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2. I believe most of us are not worshippers or haters of Obama.

I have stayed out of all these dust-ups, but have seen them and completely agree with you. Division of the Democrats is a major coupe for the Republicans, and we should not go there.

I have to believe that the majority of Democrats are expressing their opinions, but will still go to the polls and vote Democratic. These arguments will not stop that.

Like the filthy, abused, low self esteem whores that we (and the dem leadership) know you to be...
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2013, 10:44:35 PM »
Its almost like watching a snake tie itself into a knot and then biting its tail.
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Re: Civil war on DU
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2013, 10:53:14 PM »
Straight party ticket or bust.
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