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[Big Dog]

Taylor, welcome to CC.

Concise, direct answers. I like that.

Lex, you menstrual clot. See how easy it is to answer questions directly?

[Lex]

Okay guys I might as well come out of the closet.

I am a communist Neo-Nazi agent who has been tasked by the NSA (and Obama specifically) to infiltrate conservative groups and make them all into communist Neo-Nazis. You guys are smarter than I thought and I failed to convert you to the loving embrace of CommuNazism. I must tell my Fuhrer I failed.

Now excuse me as I got and put on my Nazi beanie and smoke some ganja with the Democratic Party. 

[Lex]

You don't get to tell Radioguy or any of the rest of us who served what to do with the flag.....PUNK

I was using that as a figure of speech to say "Don't let your patriotism blind you." Some people are certainly blinded by their patriotism, most of you are pretty bright though.

Terrorists want to kill us because they feel like we've wronged them, and we have in a way. We put our hands up everybody's asses, and we expect them not to react to it. Turns out we pissed off ultra-fundamentalists, and bombing their countries and having collateral damage rack up isn't really going to help us in having a better PR with the Middle Eastern world.

Exactly what's the difference between the "wage worker" and "someone who sits in an office and has profit produced for them by the workers" when it comes to taxes? What's the point in "especially" distinguishing between these two groups?

The wage worker produces profit, they are the lifeblood of the economy. Without them, the business owners wouldn't be making such profits. What the business owners do (i.e, owners) is they hire the wage workers specifically for producing profit for themselves. While granted the business owner definitely has done work such as investing money, managing risks in the market, etc. We shouldn't look at the business owner as the almighty and all-powerful source of the creation of wealth, they just suck up the profits produced by the ones who actually produce the profit: the workers. So the workers shouldn't be taxed heavily, rather those who absorb the profits from their labor.

Then what is the reason?  I didn't realize you were a military affairs expert or had served.

I await your keen first hand insight.
 
Yes they are.  Claiming that they aren't is utter bullshit and shows a lack of any real world knowledge of where the terrorist organizations are and who sponsors them.

Here allow me to educate you just a little bit:

http://www.terrorism-research.com/state/countries.php

Now...you were saying?


Had we not gone to Afghanistan...the Taliban and al-Qaeda would have executed their other 9/11 style attacks the had in the works for the U.S. 

We saw what they wanted to continue to do with their attacks in Bali, London and Madrid.

Since we went into Afghanistan and Iraq for that matter...how many attacks has al-Qaeda been able to pull off outside the Afghanistan/pakistan area?

You have no clue about war, what it takes to be a soldier and you toss out platitudes taught in the safety of a classroom.

THAT is what makes you a troll.


Could you have tried any harder to take a statement out of context?  He's talking about keys to what will help them survive and prosper you ball bag.

Quit using Media Matters as your source.  It just makes you look stupid.

You sound like those idiots that think the only reason we went back into Iraq was for their oil.

How did THAT work out for us

Yes you do.  You mind very much...you can't stand people like me.


People like you would allow our enemies to use it as a noose.

I'm not an expert, but I'm not saying that terrorism (of all sorts) is centralized into certain areas. Certainly certain organizations and even certain trends of terrorist fighters (e.g, Islamic terrorism) are centralized and operating in certain areas, but terrorism is a worldwide phenomenon. Example, you fighting Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan is not going to help the US with homegrown terrorists. Certainly it will prevent organizations from attacking us (for a while at least) but it's not going to stop the homegrown lone wolves who are pissed off for the same exact reasons Al-Qaeda and other organizations are. May I ask how your actions in Afghanistan would've stopped people like Tsarnaev and other lone wolves who are already in this country and were later radicalized?

[Splashdown]

The wage worker produces profit, they are the lifeblood of the economy. Without them, the business owners wouldn't be making such profits. What the business owners do (i.e, owners) is they hire the wage workers specifically for producing profit for themselves. While granted the business owner definitely has done work such as investing money, managing risks in the market, etc. We shouldn't look at the business owner as the almighty and all-powerful source of the creation of wealth, they just suck up the profits produced by the ones who actually produce the profit: the workers. So the workers shouldn't be taxed heavily, rather those who absorb the profits from their labor.

You realize, of course, that these "profit-sucking"  business owners, in order to hire the wage workers, had put in years--sometimes DECADES--of 100-hour weeks to get to the point where they could hire "wage workers"?  That they missed holidays, sacrificed EVERYTHING, to get to the point where these "wage workers" could earn anything?

Your posts show you have no experience in life at all. Did you ever work as a kid? Paper route? McDonalds? Do you have any idea about the real world?

You're an inexperienced kid. Get some miles on you. Then, maybe you get to lecture.

[EagleKeeper]

I was using that as a figure of speech to say "Don't let your patriotism blind you." Some people are certainly blinded by their patriotism, most of you are pretty bright though.

just a tip, don't use figures of speech, just say what you mean.

There is a lot of ways that I could use what you are saying against you by using figures of speech.

Terrorists want to kill us because they feel like we've wronged them, and we have in a way. We put our hands up everybody's asses, and we expect them not to react to it. Turns out we pissed off ultra-fundamentalists, and bombing their countries and having collateral damage rack up isn't really going to help us in having a better PR with the Middle Eastern world.

I suppose it needs to be asked. What should we do?

Withdraw from the world?

The wage worker produces profit, they are the lifeblood of the economy. Without them, the business owners wouldn't be making such profits. What the business owners do (i.e, owners) is they hire the wage workers specifically for producing profit for themselves. While granted the business owner definitely has done work such as investing money, managing risks in the market, etc. We shouldn't look at the business owner as the almighty and all-powerful source of the creation of wealth, they just suck up the profits produced by the ones who actually produce the profit: the workers. So the workers shouldn't be taxed heavily, rather those who absorb the profits from their labor.

What exactly would you do without job producers? I can see that you some measure of animosity towards them and are a confirmed member of the working class.

Good for you, as God I just pushed the button and called all of the job producers to heaven, now what?

[EagleKeeper]

Honestly, I think this is getting kind of ridiculous.

If I had my druthers Lex would start a thread on a single subject and stick to it.

Not in this thread but a new thread, claim your place as a member of the cave and make your case, one issue at a time.

[Lex]

just a tip, don't use figures of speech, just say what you mean.

There is a lot of ways that I could use what you are saying against you by using figures of speech.



I suppose it needs to be asked. What should we do?

Withdraw from the world?


What exactly would you do without job producers? I can see that you have some measure of animosity towards them and are a confirmed member of the working class.

Good for you, as God I just pushed the button and called all of the job producers to heaven, now what?

We should make efforts to stray from our interventionist foreign policy in favor of more isolationist policies. That'll definitely give less people reasons to hate us.

If God pulled the job producers out of the world. First, atheists would convert to Christianity after seeing undeniable proof that God exists. Second, the economy would go to shit. The economy as of today depends on both the working class and the employing members of the higher classes. One cannot exist without the other in today's system. The working class is reliant on the employing class for providing their wages, and the employing class is reliant on the working class to produce their profits. Unless we see the rise of workers' cooperatives and allocation of the means of production to the working class from the employing class (which I very highly doubt, especially today) the economy will fail, and we'd be in shit city.

[EagleKeeper]

I'm waiting, start a thread and choose a subject.

I will be right there.

[Lex]

You realize, of course, that these "profit-sucking"  business owners, in order to hire the wage workers, had put in years--sometimes DECADES--of 100-hour weeks to get to the point where they could hire "wage workers"?  That they missed holidays, sacrificed EVERYTHING, to get to the point where these "wage workers" could earn anything?

Your posts show you have no experience in life at all. Did you ever work as a kid? Paper route? McDonalds? Do you have any idea about the real world?

You're an inexperienced kid. Get some miles on you. Then, maybe you get to lecture.

I do realize that business owners are not all born wealthy, and I do admire those who work hard and long, but business owners do suck profit from the workers. At first that might have not been the case (ex. Microsoft and Apple started in garages, a metal label I'm a fan off had its start in a garage too and later expanded to be immensely popular), but later on it definitely transitioned to that: the owners exploiting the workers for profit. Those are simply the functions of the modern capitalist classes that one cannot deny. It's a result of the socioeconomic hierarchy. They may have worked their ass off to get higher in the economic hierarchy, but that doesn't change the fact they exploit workers for profit now.

[Lex]

I'm waiting, start a thread and choose a subject.

I will be right there.

That's actually a good idea.

[EagleKeeper]

I agree!

[Lex]

I agree!

Problem is now I can't think of any subjects to bring up. Shit.

[EagleKeeper]

Problem is now I can't think of any subjects to bring up. Shit.

Really?

Don't be a douche,

[J P Sousa]

Problem with securing the border first is we just don't have the funds right now. So we tax the current immigrants once they are legal residents, so we can at least get some funds before we endeavor on allocating funds to securing our border.

No facts, eh? Okay then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96AEzQYangE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCq015rc_lk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwwVo3CEFAQ

Killing a baby. It's a hard decision, although, it's not yours to make. Are you the mother? Or do you want the government to be so small it can fit into womens' private parts?

What's the point of restricting homosexuals to just Civil Unions? I don't get it. There's nothing special about a word.

Lex, Lex, Lex, come now really ???? propaganda videos ???  

SEE;
http://www.cst.net/geoscience/oil-business/127-gasland-director-josh-fox-admits-hiding-facts-from-film

"BEN FRANKLIN DISCOVERS "BURNING WATER" IN 1764"
http://www.cst.net/geoscience/oil-business/99-ben-franklin-discovers-qburning-waterq-in-1764
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[J P Sousa]

I do realize that business owners are not all born wealthy, and I do admire those who work hard and long, but business owners do suck profit from the workers. At first that might have not been the case (ex. Microsoft and Apple started in garages, a metal label I'm a fan off had its start in a garage too and later expanded to be immensely popular), but later on it definitely transitioned to that: the owners exploiting the workers for profit. Those are simply the functions of the modern capitalist classes that one cannot deny. It's a result of the socioeconomic hierarchy. They may have worked their ass off to get higher in the economic hierarchy, but that doesn't change the fact they exploit workers for profit now.

So much BULL, not worth or actually, not possible to set you straight on this at all. 
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[ColonelCarrots]

How do you feel about fundamentalist Christians?

[obumazombie]

Lex, you are wildly misinformed if you think US policy causes terrorism. Muslims have been at war with all other religions since time immemorial. You don't understand islam at all. Another thing, try to be less condescending. You can only truly condescend from a higher plane, and it's embarrassingly obvious that you're not anywhere near that as of yet.

[USA4ME]

The wage worker produces profit, they are the lifeblood of the economy. Without them, the business owners wouldn't be making such profits. What the business owners do (i.e, owners) is they hire the wage workers specifically for producing profit for themselves. While granted the business owner definitely has done work such as investing money, managing risks in the market, etc. We shouldn't look at the business owner as the almighty and all-powerful source of the creation of wealth, they just suck up the profits produced by the ones who actually produce the profit: the workers. So the workers shouldn't be taxed heavily, rather those who absorb the profits from their labor.

Stick with me since I'm the one who asked the question.

We have a progressive tax system, so I'm not seeing the issue.

And every business I've witnessed worth anything takes all levels, from top management to the floor worker, to make it go.  They all have their part to play.  To single out the "wage worker," as you called them, as needing not to be taxed heavily implied to me that the "someone who sits in an office and has profit produced for them by the workers" should be taxed heavily. Was that a misunderstanding on my part?

Just out of interest, let's say the wage worker and the office sitter make the same income.  Should one be taxed more heavily than the other?

I'm asking because there's way too many individuals out there who hold this odd position that without wage workers then the owners are nothing.  They hold this notion that somehow the wage workers are getting a raw deal because "well they're the ones getting their hands dirty producing, but the owners make the lions share of the money for really doing nothing." There seems to be no thought whatsoever that the wage worker agreed to do X work for X pay. It's a very convoluted way of viewing the world, one that needs to be shoved aside as being the worthless viewpoint it is.

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[USA4ME]

..... but business owners do suck profit from the workers. ... the owners exploiting the workers for profit... but that doesn't change the fact they exploit workers for profit now.

That type of viewpoint isn't valid from where I stand. The worker is given a job to do and is paid for that work based upon an agreed wage (I'm hiring for this job, this is what it pays, I'm offering the job to you, do you want it?).  If its exploitation, it certainly one of the oddest forms of exploitation since the worker agreed to the terms.  You can't agree to the terms and then complain you're being used if everyone is doing what they said they would do. Well, I guess you can but it doesn't really mean much.

But yes, a business is open in order to make a profit.  Exploiting workers? If one means "to make productive use of," then I agree, that's the whole point of hiring people, to make productive use of their work and, in turn, pay them as you both have agreed.  If one means "to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage," well it's hard to take advantage of someone when you told them what the job entailed and pay them accordingly as you both agreed.

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[obumazombie]

Good companies know how to profit share as well. It's just good business. Profit sharing is income to the workers over and above what they agreed to be compensated. But if you're an occupooper you would be ignorant to the fact.

[Lex]

Lex, you are wildly misinformed if you think US policy causes terrorism. Muslims have been at war with all other religions since time immemorial. You don't understand islam at all. Another thing, try to be less condescending. You can only truly condescend from a higher plane, and it's embarrassingly obvious that you're not anywhere near that as of yet.

The Tsarnaev brothers bombed Boston as a response to the US's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and attack of Muslims, according to a CBS news video.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57584771/boston-bombings-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-left-note-in-boat-he-hid-in-sources-say/
I don't see much bias here so it's just information.

A Muslim thinker and author named Sayyid Qutb thoroughly influenced Osama bin Laden and his mentor (who took over Al-Qaeda after the death of Osama), in one of Qutb's writings he wrote "To restore Islam, he said a vanguard movement of righteous Muslims was needed to establish 'true Islamic states', implement sharia, and rid the Muslim world of any non-Muslim influences, such as concepts like socialism and nationalism." It is clear that Osama would see the US intervening in the Middle East as a non-Muslim influence in the Muslim world. Osama also saw the US's increasing prevalence in the Arab world as a desecration of the holy land, and the US's deployment during the Persian Gulf War also inspired his hatred of the US. So it can be said our foreign policy is influenced Osama to adopt his radical anti-American ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Ideology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Gulf_War_and_the_start_of_U.S._enmity

Most Muslims are not radical Jihadists, Salafists, or Wahhabists. These days Islam is for the most part followed by a majority of non-radical believers, and in the West it is very much filled with mostly non-radical followers. Christianity has a pretty bad history of attacking non-believers too. Spanish Inquisition come to mind? How about the Northern Crusades which attacked pagans? All religions have a history of attacking non-believers, and all Abrahamic religions today have radical offshoots which are pretty hostile to non-believers. TL;DR?: Scapegoats.

Regarding the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, there's a pretty large cause here which can be summed up in two words: "Shock" and "Awe". We bombed their country to shit, and we invaded. So obviously you're going to get people who are pissed off that you bombed their country. I'm sure the same would happen if China started to bomb us. We'd get pissed too. No matter what the goals of the Chinese are.

How do you feel about fundamentalist Christians?

I don't like fundamentalist Christians at all. Then again I don't like fundamentalist religion as a whole. It's assuming that there is one "truth", that it's black and white. There's no black and white, just varying shades of gray.

[obumazombie]

Lex, you must put forth some effort into critical thinking. Have you ever heard of the term "Taqiyya" ? The same situation occurs in our society, to wit when a lib asserts something, the mere assertion doesn't make it true. In order to find truth, you must develop a spirit of discernment that sees through the layers and layers of lies the deceit, the propaganda.
Now if you are already aware that lib sources are very suspect, and you think it will be simple to shun the truth for the goal of misleading those of us here, good luck. Too many of us have spent a great deal of our lives wading through the deceit of liberalism, and recognize almost all of it at first sight.

[Bad Dog]

Lex, you must put forth some effort into critical thinking. Have you ever heard of the term "Taqiyya" ? The same situation occurs in our society, to wit when a lib asserts something, the mere assertion doesn't make it true. In order to find truth, you must develop a spirit of discernment that sees through the layers and layers of lies the deceit, the propaganda.
Now if you are already aware that lib sources are very suspect, and you think it will be simple to shun the truth for the goal of misleading those of us here, good luck. Too many of us have spent a great deal of our lives wading through the deceit of liberalism, and recognize almost all of it at first sight.

Casting swine before pearls. Just another college boy showing how much smarter he is than the conservative neanderthals.

[obumazombie]

Casting swine before pearls. Just another college boy showing how much smarter he is than the conservative neanderthals.

I'm quite inclined to agree. Hi 5 !

[txradioguy]

I'm not an expert, but I'm not saying that terrorism (of all sorts) is centralized into certain areas.

You were insinuating that it wasn't centralized and I showed you that...yes it is.

Certainly certain organizations and even certain trends of terrorist fighters (e.g, Islamic terrorism) are centralized and operating in certain areas, but terrorism is a worldwide phenomenon.

Yet all of the terrorism today is being generated and supported by specific groups originating from Islamic countries.

Example, you fighting Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan is not going to help the US with homegrown terrorists.

The acts of terrorism attempted since 9/11 have one common thread.

Can you tell me what that is?

Certainly it will prevent organizations from attacking us (for a while at least) but it's not going to stop the homegrown lone wolves who are pissed off for the same exact reasons Al-Qaeda and other organizations are.

Where do you think those alleged "lone wolves" get their training and indoctrination from?  Do you realize that there is not really such a thing as a "lone wolf" terrorist?  That's an invention of the left and idiot Libs like to you to try and downplay how much radical Islam and it's practitioners HATE anything and anyone that is not Muslim?

May I ask how your actions in Afghanistan would've stopped people like Tsarnaev and other lone wolves who are already in this country and were later radicalized?

Our fighting terrorism away from our shores allowed us to capture a treasure trove of information about how interconnected the terrorist networks are.  Do you think we wouldn't have ever known that al-Qaeda and the Taliban send their fighters to Chechnya to battle harden them before they come back to fight us?

Tsarnev...that is a failure at the bureaucrat level.  We knew who they were and what they were up to.  Yet because this administration refuses to actively pursue known threats within our borders no one who could have prevented the Marathon Bombings did so.

Talk about a case of LIHOP.

Your lack of knowledge on this is glaring n00b.  You're doing nothing more than regurgitating what some idiot professor has told you. And it's making you look really stupid.