Spitfire of ATJ (7,523 posts)
40. All of our oldest archeological finds have shown our nature is to form communities...
....where even the least of us are cared for.
Right Wingers like to believe in the whole "survival of the fittest" crap (as if they would naturally win that contest) but that is NOT human nature. Greed is not a virtue and has not been the driving force of civilization.
I thought all RWers were Christo-fascist theocrats.
undergroundpanther (11,537 posts)
9. Why not just share what you have
with the people who need?
loli phabay (2,937 posts)
41. sounds good, but why would you toil twenty hours a day
To just feed someone who sits watching you and gives nothinh in return. If I was to supply you with food what services would you give in return and would they be valuable to me rather than just somethomg you want to do. Sorry buy a few beads or some pieve of your art might work once but not a lifetime.
magellan (12,580 posts)
60. Children give nothing in return.
Neither do sick partners, disabled siblings and debilitated old folks. Yet we all toil for one or the other at some point, because we love them, or at the least feel it's our duty to care for them.
Are the children of a single mother with a HS diploma and a minimum wage job of less value than those of a married couple who are both high earners? Capitalism says yes. A market based economy will always assign a currency value to people and resources. It rewards greed and punishes those who, for whatever reason, are unable to game the system in their favor.
We think that's a natural state only because its been imposed on us for so long by those at the top of the resource chain...but it isn't natural, or necessary. There's more than enough for everyone.
Capitalism does not value what you have. Only other people can do that.
So, try to impress them.
Socialism, OTOH, only values your productivity to the state. See: Mao, "Useless Eaters"
Silent3 (6,841 posts)
35. "Control land"? Really?
The people who most need to be controlled are the ones who least want to be controlled. They wouldn't go live in "control land", they'd come into your naive utopia and tear it apart. Simple "not tolerating" these intrusions be enough to stop it. Preventing them from happening would require police and/or military personal. Who is going to do that work instead of raising sheep or creating beautiful tapestries or whatever else you imagine your idealized populace doing of their own accord?
loli phabay (2,937 posts)
42. corruption wouldnt ne the main issue it would be laziness
Why would anyone work their ass off only to have people watchong them wanting the fruits of their labours.
hunter (16,228 posts)
111. People "working their asses off" is how we got into this mess.
No matter, nature always deals with innovative "hard working" species that experience exponential growth the same way, and it won't be pretty.
The "innovation" of money has caused one of the great mass extinction events in earth's history, and we are in the midst of it.
Next stop on this wild ride our civilization dies.
It will be noted by the survivors that money wasn't such a good idea.
We could probably bring this civilization down for a safe landing by creating a world of "lazy" people who walk very softly on the earth and don't have too many babies, but we won't.
Will that be "abstinence only" or will you have a massive pharmaceutical concern mass-produce BC as it is supported by equally massive infrastructure, engineering, construction, distribution, resource harvesting, manufacturing, servicing, support, healthcare, recreational recovery, education --
Well, ****, that pretty much looks exactly like the civilization you claim is dying.
This civilization will hit the ground nose first, engines at full throttle, and all the money in the world won't matter. There will be nothing left of it but a smoldering toxic hole.
It's what killed the dinosaurs.
You'd be amazed how much money they could hold in those little T-Rex arms.
It's happened before to other "successful" innovative species throughout the long history of life, and it will happen to us. We're nothing special just because we wear clothes. All the energy flows, all the resource flows, all the population curves look the same as all those other species that crashed.
Have a nice day!
Or I could just kill you and take your shit.
I have all the guns so I'd have twice the resources with half the population demand.
Douglas Carpenter (15,179 posts)
30. when the earth is owned by labor and there is joy and peace for all in the workers' commonwealth
that is to be. But for right now we need to concentrate on an agenda for a foreseeable future.
Real universal healthcare
You gonna *grow* and MRI machine?
A real economic security net
No.
You proglodytes would be the first to die because whoever didn't grow or hunt their dinner would starve.
Real representation for workers in management
Who needs representation in a perfectly egalitarian society?
Oh! Wait!
That's the bullshit job you're going to appoint yourself into so you don't have to work while you insist we support you because you represent us for some reason once greed, war, disease, etc have been eliminated.
An end to this unsustainable global military empire
If it's unsustainable why do you fear it?
The development of a more cooperative based economy and society
My economic model is very cooperative: you keep what you produce until you voluntarily agree to an exchange.
Even these ideas are revolutionary enough. Abolishing money, private property and the wage system are a bit farther down the road. But every step toward progress is a step toward the day when it will be possible to remove the last vestiges of class privilege. But for now let us concentrate on what is possible for the foreseeable future,
I think I'll just kill you and take your shit.
Not from greed but because you are a poison of tyranny and weakness.
"Join in the only battle where no one can fail. For though we fall and die our deeds shall rise and prevail." - William Morris
Him too.
*******ed pussies
