Taverner bitches about unemployment and capitalism again

[Tess Anderson]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018395823

He's on some sort of Steinback kick, there's another thread elsewhere about Tom Joad:

Fri May 24, 2013, 03:47 PM

 Taverner (53,301 posts)

BEING UNEMPLOYED ****ING SUCKS!!!


 Note to all contractors: if you ask for more pay, they WILL fire you

In short, that's why I am here. Of course, it's also because they are moving the whole operation to India, and the teammate on an H1-B is on board so he can shut down everyone else's jobs.
 
Capitalism, don't you just love it?

****all....

And guess what, this company consistently gets "Most Ethical Company" award. Because of how they treat the ten or so people who are full time, rather than the hundreds of contractors, well. That is, until their jobs go to India.
 
Do I hate India? **** no.

Do I hate the H1-B workers? Hells no.

They are practically slave labor. They can't complain about unpaid hours, shitty treatment or anything because they do not have the same protection a green card holder would have. And life as an H1-B is WAAAY better than any job in India. They're scabs, but I understand.
 
I ****ing hate Capitalism.

John Steinbeck summed it up best in "Grapes of Wrath"

If a bank or finance company owned the land, the owner man said, The Bank – or the Company – needs – wants – insists – must have – as though the Bank or the Company were a monster, with thought and feeling, which had ensnared them.
 
“Sure, cried the tenant men,but it’s our land…We were born on it, and we got killed on it, died on it. Even if it’s no good, it’s still ours….That’s what makes ownership, not a paper with numbers on it."
 
"We’re sorry. It’s not us. It’s the monster. The bank isn’t like a man."

"Yes, but the bank is only made of men."

"No, you’re wrong there—quite wrong there. The bank is something else than men. It happens that every man in a bank hates what the bank does, and yet the bank does it. The bank is something more than men, I tell you. It’s the monster. Men made it, but they can’t control it.
 

must not've gotten the job 

[diesel driver]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018395823

He's on some sort of Steinback kick, there's another thread elsewhere about Tom Joad:



must not've gotten the job 

Yep, DUmbass came up hot on a piss test. 

Hell, he even studied for it, too!   

[USA4ME]

Hates capitalism yet wishes to participate in it by being hired.



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[Chris_]

He's on some sort of Steinback kick, there's another thread elsewhere about Tom Joad

Well, he has plenty of time to read now. 

[freedumb2003b]

Well, he has plenty of time to read now. 

He missed on the piss, eh?

[Vagabond]

Don't mean he isn't right about the banks.  Well, John Steinbeck was right anyway.  I understand banks facilitate the movement of capital money through the worldwide system.  I've read books from Marx (who was clueless) to Von Mises and beyond, I understand economics a little bit at least.  What I fail to understand is how banks, producing nothing, essentially living off the works of others, is allowed to live so well.  Compare the CEO of Caterpillar to the CEO of Wachovia, they both make millons, and that's okay, but why does the CEO of Wachovia make millions more when Caterpillar actually produces an end product.

I blame a lot of the discrepancies on the continued tolerance of the Third Bank of the United States that is known as the Federal Reserve.  Getting rid of it would be painful, but the pain is probably necessary.

[Ogre]

He missed on the piss, eh?

That would be my guess.

He "nailed" the interview, and then gave them a "hot" piss test. Bwahahahahaha

Dummy anguish, it tastes like salty tears only sweeter.

[freedumb2003b]

Don't mean he isn't right about the banks.  Well, John Steinbeck was right anyway.  I understand banks facilitate the movement of capital money through the worldwide system.  I've read books from Marx (who was clueless) to Von Mises and beyond, I understand economics a little bit at least.  What I fail to understand is how banks, producing nothing, essentially living off the works of others, is allowed to live so well.  Compare the CEO of Caterpillar to the CEO of Wachovia, they both make millons, and that's okay, but why does the CEO of Wachovia make millions more when Caterpillar actually produces an end product.

I blame a lot of the discrepancies on the continued tolerance of the Third Bank of the United States that is known as the Federal Reserve.  Getting rid of it would be painful, but the pain is probably necessary.

You are sort of wrong on just a few points of your analysis:

In its simplest form:

a bank accepts money from person A to hold with the promise of return of x%
the bank loans money to person B at x%+y%
the bank has performed an essential function in connection person x's money with person y's need

When you aggregate person x and person y you ave the bank function

The problem occurs when the bank doesn't vet person y's ability to pay.  If person y defaults (with no consequence which is the liberal end-game) then person x may not get his promised %.

There is a lot of trust.  That trust was undermined by liberal laws/rules that took responsibility away from persons y and let person x take the hit.

But you should look at your post hocs before pronouncing propter hocs.

[GOBUCKS]

The only thing true about Kregel's latest storyline is unemployment.

Nearly all nodding junkies are unemployed.

He probably hasn't failed a drug test because he'd never be able to stay awake through an interview.

[franksolich]

The only thing true about Kregel's latest storyline is unemployment.

Nearly all nodding junkies are unemployed.

He probably hasn't failed a drug test because he'd never be able to stay awake through an interview.

Well, why's he so hung up on getting only an IT job?

It's probably where the Taverner primitive's training is, but you know, sometimes excresence happens, and one's compelled to take a job that doesn't fit into one's training or career plans.

<<<when says "shit happens," knows what he's talking about.

I think it's time for the Taverner primitive to consider jobs outside of his field--he may even get to like them better than IT, and do better at them (one doesn't know until one tries).

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

[Chris_]

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

You have to be allowed into the airport for starters.

What airports are near the ghetto in Oakland?

[franksolich]

You have to be allowed into the airport for starters.

What airports are near the ghetto in Oakland?

Surely there's an airport somewhere in Oakland.

But you know, sir, you were the one about whom I was thinking, when I wrote the above.  Didn't you have to make choices outside your education and training, and your hoped-for career plans?

And didn't it open up a whole new wide world for you?

[Chris_]

I was laid off from my job at Hewlett Packard and wound up doing customer service for two years until I was hired at my current job. 

It sucked and it put me back far longer than the two years I worked that job.  I've had to re-learn nearly everything that I didn't use on a daily basis and the older I get, the more difficult it becomes.  It was a nice addition to my resume, though.  Customer service is always a plus in the IT world.

[franksolich]

I was laid off from my job at Hewlett Packard and wound up doing customer service for two years until I was hired at my current job. 

It sucked and it put me back far longer than the two years I worked that job.  I've had to re-learn nearly everything that I didn't use on a daily basis and the older I get, the more difficult it becomes.

No, I was thinking, weren't you a chef of the culinary arts at one time?

[Chris_]

No, I was thinking, weren't you a chef of the culinary arts at one time?

I did that before (and during) school.  Once I graduated, I was hired by HP.  The rest is history, I suppose.

[franksolich]

I did that before (and during) school.  Once I graduated, I was hired by HP.  The rest is history, I suppose.

But surely you get my point.  You went from chef to computer expert, and did basically okay.

The Taverner primitive should follow your lead, and go from computer expert to something else, and he might end up liking it.

I'm sure, for example, that McDonald's is hiring.  It could open up a whole new world for him.

[GOBUCKS]

Well, why's he so hung up on getting only an IT job?

It's probably where the Taverner primitive's training is, but you know, sometimes excresence happens, and one's compelled to take a job that doesn't fit into one's training or career plans.

<<<when says "shit happens," knows what he's talking about.

I think it's time for the Taverner primitive to consider jobs outside of his field--he may even get to like them better than IT, and do better at them (one doesn't know until one tries).

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

He's pretty much limited to day labor. These days nearly anything else includes drug testing.

For a heroin addict there's also the problem of staying awake.

[Chris_]

But surely you get my point.  You went from chef to computer expert, and did basically okay.

The Taverner primitive should follow your lead, and go from computer expert to something else, and he might end up liking it.

I'm sure, for example, that McDonald's is hiring.  It could open up a whole new world for him.

A change in vocation isn't always a bad thing, I suppose.  I wouldn't go back to cooking but it's a big world out there.

[Bad Dog]

But surely you get my point.  You went from chef to computer expert, and did basically okay.

The Taverner primitive should follow your lead, and go from computer expert to something else, and he might end up liking it.

I'm sure, for example, that McDonald's is hiring.  It could open up a whole new world for him.

When I visited Times Square a few years back, I observed a gentleman with a mop swamping out the stalls at a 25 cent porn parlor.  I thought if my Coast Guard gig didn't work out, this might be a worthy field of endeavor.  Perhaps Tavernor might look into something similar.

[franksolich]

^^^brains on drugs

[BlueStateSaint]

Well, why's he so hung up on getting only an IT job?

It's probably where the Taverner primitive's training is, but you know, sometimes excresence happens, and one's compelled to take a job that doesn't fit into one's training or career plans.

<<<when says "shit happens," knows what he's talking about.

I think it's time for the Taverner primitive to consider jobs outside of his field--he may even get to like them better than IT, and do better at them (one doesn't know until one tries).

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

For starters, he could be on DU all the time, no one would really care, and he'd get paid to do it.

Plus, he'd be able to surf ghey pr0n on someone else's dime.

[miskie]

Well, why's he so hung up on getting only an IT job?

It's probably where the Taverner primitive's training is, but you know, sometimes excresence happens, and one's compelled to take a job that doesn't fit into one's training or career plans.

<<<when says "shit happens," knows what he's talking about.

I think it's time for the Taverner primitive to consider jobs outside of his field--he may even get to like them better than IT, and do better at them (one doesn't know until one tries).

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

Hey Tav -

That is all.

[GOBUCKS]

Maybe janitor at the airport, for a start.

Nothing at the air  port.

They all require drug tests.

That was the downfall of our old pal DUmmy TwixVoy.

[DefiantSix]

Nothing at the air  port.

They all require drug tests.

That was the downfall of our old pal DUmmy TwixVoy.

Drug tests AND background checks. It's discrimination against DUmmies, I tell ya. [/DUmbshit]

[NHSparky]

Maybe he shouldn't have chosen a field that could be so easily outsourced.

Face it--you can't keep the lights on from India.  And according to the Census Bureau, there are roughly 5000-7000 people who do what I do.  A small field?  Perhaps, but it's in demand.  And pays pretty darned well, if you're willing to work.

The downside, Tav?  That pesky drug test.  Funny how that keeps popping up and shitting in your Wheaties.