Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

[Dori]

Interesting responses I've gotten here.  First off, The average age of Eagle is 17 and fewer than 7% make it that far.  If my sons had put in 10 years with his troop and the troop's leadership and they all wanted to complete their Eagle, I would not interfere with that  decision.  I have always tried to teach my kids to finish what they started.  Just like joining a sports team or taking a class.  If you start something, you are making a commitment to not only your team but to yourself, to see it through.  Quitters don't build character.  There are two sides to "throwing in the towel".

For me as a parent of young men, I allow them to make their own decisions, without undo criticism on my part. That doesn't mean we don't discuss the pros and cons of these issues. The gay issue is just as important as the birds and the bees and not taking candy or rides from strangers.   

As far as gays at large go, what if they had gay guys in their gym class at school, or if they joined the military?  How are you going to stop that? 

Now if my boys were really young, and had only been in the program a short time, I would be looking for a different avenue, because I don't like the course the BSA has taken.  I took my kids out of public school because I didn't like what I saw there either. I guess my point is, you can make decisions for your kids up to a point, but there also comes the transition period where they have to start making their own decisions. 

[Conservative Libertarian]

Interesting responses I've gotten here.  First off, The average age of Eagle is 17 and fewer than 7% make it that far.  If my sons had put in 10 years with his troop and the troop's leadership and they all wanted to complete their Eagle, I would not interfere with that  decision.  I have always tried to teach my kids to finish what they started.  Just like joining a sports team or taking a class.  If you start something, you are making a commitment to not only your team but to yourself, to see it through.  Quitters don't build character.  There are two sides to "throwing in the towel".

For me as a parent of young men, I allow them to make their own decisions, without undo criticism on my part. That doesn't mean we don't discuss the pros and cons of these issues. The gay issue is just as important as the birds and the bees and not taking candy or rides from strangers.   

As far as gays at large go, what if they had gay guys in their gym class at school, or if they joined the military?  How are you going to stop that? 

Now if my boys were really young, and had only been in the program a short time, I would be looking for a different avenue, because I don't like the course the BSA has taken.  I took my kids out of public school because I didn't like what I saw there either. I guess my point is, you can make decisions for your kids up to a point, but there also comes the transition period where they have to start making their own decisions. 

I see your point.

My son has been in the scouts for ~1.5 years. He has a good and small troop and really enjoys it. He has done well and is always thinking of making Eagle. Most of the troop is in the same boat. If the troop decided to defect to On My Honor, I would support that. From what I have read, It is a big thing amongst  the defectors that achievements and/or levels be grandfathers in some way.

Also, Even though a scout is close to making Eagle, That level probably won't mean as much as it use to now that the BSA has tainted itself.

[Eupher]

Interesting responses I've gotten here.  First off, The average age of Eagle is 17 and fewer than 7% make it that far.  If my sons had put in 10 years with his troop and the troop's leadership and they all wanted to complete their Eagle, I would not interfere with that  decision.  I have always tried to teach my kids to finish what they started.  Just like joining a sports team or taking a class.  If you start something, you are making a commitment to not only your team but to yourself, to see it through.  Quitters don't build character.  There are two sides to "throwing in the towel".

I'm going to quibble a little with your numbers for obvious reasons. A boy may become a Boy Scout at age 11 (unless he's completed Cub Scouts' "Arrow of Light", at which he can join at age 10). By age 17, he's got to leave Boy Scouts and become a "Venture" Scout, which he can participate in till age 20.

Wow. Never heard of this "Venture Scout" stuff. Sounds like cream puff stuff, frankly, but whatevs.

So anyway, are you saying your son will have participated in Boy Scouts/Venture Scouts from age 10 till age 20? Really?

For me as a parent of young men, I allow them to make their own decisions, without undo criticism on my part. That doesn't mean we don't discuss the pros and cons of these issues. The gay issue is just as important as the birds and the bees and not taking candy or rides from strangers.   

Great.

As far as gays at large go, what if they had gay guys in their gym class at school, or if they joined the military?  How are you going to stop that? 

Straw man. Stick to the topic at hand, mmmkay?








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[Gina]

I found out where I will not donate any more money. United Way.  They were one of the big ones that threatened to pull sponsorship if BSA didn't lockstep with them.

[Eupher]

I found out where I will not donate any more money. United Way.  They were one of the big ones that threatened to pull sponsorship if BSA didn't lockstep with them.

United Way f'd up 9/11 to such an extent that since then, they can go pound sand. The Red Cross as well.

[Lacarnut]

I most certainly have read your stuff on the issue, but I was directing my comment to the specific post I quoted -- not what you wrote elsewhere.

Specifically, this comment:

Just looking for clarification. It looked to me like you were shrugging your shoulders, allowing your son to finish what he started (definitely an advisable thing, IMHO) and then encouraging him to vacate the BSA, ergo tossing in the towel.

Speaking as an Eagle Scout myself (Sept. 1970), half or more of Scouting is leadership exhibited by the boys themselves. When you allow your son to finish what he started and then invite him to pull the plug, there goes a leadership opportunity right out the window.

But of course, it's the right thing to do.

Right?

Throwing in the towel is a hell of a lot better than having your kid exposed to queers who may want to have gay sex  or a larger kid raping a smaller kid. If you have not experienced this type of behavior, you do not know how much this impacts their lives forever as adults. I do not think you understand the dangers of that happening.  Since these perverts have gotten their foot in the door, the next step is to allow these misfits to infiltrate this organization as scoutmasters. You okay with that or how about the scout who marched in the gay parade. Anyone that approves of gays in the scouts is a POS IMO.

 

[CG6468]

United Way f'd up 9/11 to such an extent that since then, they can go pound sand. The Red Cross as well.

I completely agree, with both points!

[obumazombie]

United way has a sneaky way of using donations if you don't specify the exact organization you want your money to go to. In the case of a non specified donation the left wing organizations that dominate the list will have those donations diverted to them.

[JohnnyReb]

When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.

[Gina]

When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.

Is she in a union or is there a union there?

[JohnnyReb]

Is she in a union or is there a union there?

No union there but the head of the company says it is best for you to show some "community spirit"....hint-hint wink-wink....you know.

[J P Sousa]

When United Way quit giving funds to Boy Scouts, I quit giving to United Way. The wife is required to work for and give to United Way at her place of work.....or I should say "STRONGLY INCOURAGED" to do so by management.

Yeah, I had a supervisor criticize my contribution to UW way back when...........so I took it back and tore it up........said they get nothing. 

I'm fed up with all the left wing idiots that get money. I now only give to my church or Salvation Army. 
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[obumazombie]

^Bravo !

[Conservative Libertarian]

they push similar donation scams at my work too. I always tell them that I pick and choose the specific charities of which I intend to donate. They don't bother me.

[Chris_]

they push similar donation scams at my work too. I always tell them that I pick and choose the specific charities of which I intend to donate. They don't bother me.

I want a tax-deductible receipt. 

[Conservative Libertarian]

I want a tax-deductible receipt. 

I wasn't clear. I only donate directly to charities with which I agree and have a high percentage of donations going to recipients. I DO NOT donate via direct access to my paycheck.

[Lacarnut]

After the donations poured in to the Red Cross and United way for the 9/11 victims, they decided to keep a part of it in reserves. That was the end of my donations to those two chicken sh!t outfits. 

[Conservative Libertarian]

After the donations poured in to the Red Cross and United way for the 9/11 victims, they decided to keep a part of it in reserves. That was the end of my donations to those two chicken sh!t outfits. 

I stopped giving to the United Way 25 years ago. When the actual percentage of the donations that went to recipients for all of their charities was first published. I really good one may actually have ended up at 5%.

[seahorse513]

I remember, when I went to a Catholic school, the nuns asked if we could collect money for Unicef. I thought that was tacky, asking for money when I was getting free candy. it took the fun out of the holiday!! I was such a rebel!!!

[Lacarnut]

I stopped giving to the United Way 25 years ago. When the actual percentage of the donations that went to recipients for all of their charities was first published. I really good one may actually have ended up at 5%.

AARP, Red Cross, United Way, UNICEF are run by liberals who pay their top brass big bucks. 

[obumazombie]

AARP, Red Cross, United Way, UNICEF are run by liberals who pay their top brass big bucks. 

The libs caterwaul about the 1%, but they give a complete pass to their own when they vote buy, collect on campaign contributions. Then they arrange for the owebuma 1%ers who bring in the most donations to be repaid by taxpayer dollars through a variety of legal and borderline legal means. It's a perfect storm of scams brought to you by the most transparent Chicago style crime syndicate thugocracy.

[Splashdown]

The libs caterwaul about the 1%, but they give a complete pass to their own when they vote buy, collect on campaign contributions. Then they arrange for the owebuma 1%ers who bring in the most donations to be repaid by taxpayer dollars through a variety of legal and borderline legal means. It's a perfect storm of scams brought to you by the most transparent Chicago style crime syndicate thugocracy.

Hypocrisy is one of the defining pillars of liberalism. Whether it be life, "tolerance," racism, free speech, or wealth, libs have two definitions depending on whom they're talking about. 

[CG6468]

I was "required" to give a percentage of my pay to the United Way when I was in the Coast Guard. Well, required if I wanted leave, liberty, etc., so the CO could show that 100% of the people under his command were "donating" to them.

We called it our insurance policy.

[Conservative Libertarian]

I was "required" to give a percentage of my pay to the United Way when I was in the Coast Guard. Well, required if I wanted leave, liberty, etc., so the CO could show that 100% of the people under his command were "donating" to them.

We called it our insurance policy.

I have been able to avoid it and have stated my reasons to my supervisors. Thus far, they have been OK with that. I donate directly to cancer research and do not want a middle-man org to take anything from my donations. Thus far, based upon what our family has been through with my wife's cancer, no one has caused me any problems over it. If they do, I will fight them.

[obumazombie]

I was "required" to give a percentage of my pay to the United Way when I was in the Coast Guard. Well, required if I wanted leave, liberty, etc., so the CO could show that 100% of the people under his command were "donating" to them.

We called it our insurance policy.

I got the dirty job of being collection officer on more than 1 occasion. The 100% number wasn't a suggestion. Supposedly there was no command pressure. In reality it was more of an awkward shakedown process. It never felt good or right to be asking young service members who were just scraping by to pony up.