Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

[Big Dog]

I get that.  I am just really upset over them just screwing over the kids this way.  If they love the boys then they should reach out to another organization that will follow the Biblical teachings instead of just kicking them out and making them feel unwanted.  These boys have worked very hard. 

On the last thing, there is a buddy rule and also they can't be alone with any adult.  The BSA does have those rules...molestation could have happened without the gay's allowed ruling. 

I am told the reason the BSA voted for it was because they didn't want to turn "all" boys way.  That they could use guidance.  Now the greater majority are going to be susceptible to diversions because the church is turning it's back on the established scouts.

I am just pissed for the boys.  I know I am not thinking clearly.  I know this.  I am just at a maddening loss that they are doing this. I am really more mad that when I asked my pastor point blank what the church's thoughts on gay marriage were they told me that they wouldn't turn someone way but they wouldn't condone it.  So basically they take a hands off stance in that situation but they decide they are going to put their fooot down when it comes to the bsa. Does anyone understand what I am saying?

Gina,

The "two-deep rule" applies to adult leaders. I'm  talking about situations where older Scouts can molest younger Scouts.

So, why don't you and your husband push for keeping the group, but leaving BSA?

[Eupher]

They why doesn't the church push all the other "rules" of the bible?  that is why I am upset.

I don't understand your question.

The church, by allowing the Boy Scouts to use, meet in, and otherwise occupy their facilities, tacitly approves of that organization by doing so.

They are withdrawing their approval of the organization by disallowing that organization from using, meeting in, and otherwise occupying their facility since that organization apparently allows behaviors that the church cannot approve of.

I don't know how else to say it.

You apparently believe your church is attacking the boys. The church is not, as I see it. They are withdrawing their support of the organization.

The same boys that are not allowed in the facility as Boy Scouts are most certainly allowed in the facility as worshipers.

What else do you want?

[Gina]

I don't understand your question.

The church, by allowing the Boy Scouts to use, meet in, and otherwise occupy their facilities, tacitly approves of that organization by doing so.

They are withdrawing their approval of the organization by disallowing that organization from using, meeting in, and otherwise occupying their facility since that organization apparently allows behaviors that the church cannot approve of.

I don't know how else to say it.

You apparently believe your church is attacking the boys. The church is not, as I see it. They are withdrawing their support of the organization.

The same boys that are not allowed in the facility as Boy Scouts are most certainly allowed in the facility as worshipers.

What else do you want?

I know you are right.....    I just am fighting senseless for the boys.  Please forgive my pussiness. 

[Gina]

So, why don't you and your husband push for keeping the group, but leaving BSA?

Well we are already in discussion that IF they do kick us out that we will band together and sponsor the group ourselves.  It's not because we agree with the BSA it's because those boys are good kids and we don't want to see them with no guidance and nothing to do but get into trouble.  My son has worked really hard to get to Eagle, he is a gung ho scout.  I want the "My son is an Eaglescout" bumper sticker! 

Are there other organizations that have as much clout say on a resume as the BSA?  He wants to go into the military, even mentioned being an astronaut.

[Big Dog]

Well we are already in discussion that IF they do kick us out that we will band together and sponsor the group ourselves.  It's not because we agree with the BSA it's because those boys are good kids and we don't want to see them with no guidance and nothing to do but get into trouble.  My son has worked really hard to get to Eagle, he is a gung ho scout.  I want the "My son is an Eaglescout" bumper sticker! 

Are there other organizations that have as much clout say on a resume as the BSA?  He wants to go into the military, even mentioned being an astronaut.

Good for you, thinking about forming your own youth program. You and your church can go all-in and make it something great!

Scouting is good on a resume, and Eagle Scout is very good- but not having it is not a bad thing.

Your son can enlist, apply for a service academy, and apply for ROTC scholarships without it.

[Conservative Libertarian]

Well we are already in discussion that IF they do kick us out that we will band together and sponsor the group ourselves.  It's not because we agree with the BSA it's because those boys are good kids and we don't want to see them with no guidance and nothing to do but get into trouble.  My son has worked really hard to get to Eagle, he is a gung ho scout.  I want the "My son is an Eaglescout" bumper sticker! 

Are there other organizations that have as much clout say on a resume as the BSA?  He wants to go into the military, even mentioned being an astronaut.

Same situation here. Our group hasn't commited to our own sponsorship just yet. We only got the news last night but we knew it was coming.

Another scout parent (from another troop in the area) told me about a group that will meet in Louisville this summer as an alternative to the BSA. I am trying to get info on it.

[Conservative Libertarian]

Good for you, thinking about forming your own youth program. You and your church can go all-in and make it something great!

Scouting is good on a resume, and Eagle Scout is very good- but not having it is not a bad thing.

Your son can enlist, apply for a service academy, and apply for ROTC scholarships without it.

I'm personally concerned about my son making Eagle scout but he is. He is constantly working toward that goal with every intention of making Eagle. My son is a very goals driven kid. He is also always thinking about working toward his Tae Kwon Doe black belt even though he is only an orange belt right now.

[Conservative Libertarian]

Here is a link to a potential organization as an alternative to the BSA.

http://www.onmyhonor.net/

[Conservative Libertarian]

Here is a link to a potential organization as an alternative to the BSA.

http://www.onmyhonor.net/

The site has some interesting info. It looks like it is being built by BSA defectors. District level down to scoutmasters and parent members defecting from the BSA and forming a different group.

[cattlebaron]

I think it will affect it badly.  Boy Scouts is a religious based organization.  Once the LGBT crowd moves in and starts making their demands, it will no longer be an attraction to the typical members.   

I didn't hear about this until today on the cave. That's the beginning of the end for them. My father and grandfather were both scouts, my grandfather making it to Eagle. I never had the honor based on my remote location, however it would have been on my list to make as a opportunity for my sons. No, I wouldn't be interested now since the integrity of the group has been broken. Why is adhering to Christian values so offensive to some that they must destroy Christian institutions? Deplorable. The LGBT crowd asks for tolerance, well...I can offer none since they offer none to us. Damn.

[RobJohnson]

eta:  I am pissed off about the boys......sorry but I am.

I don't blame you for being upset. Many young men have worked very hard to attain achievements within the Boy Scouts and wish to continue the same.

[CG6468]

An Eagle Scout is sentenced after molesting another Boy Scout
By Tyler May

OROVILLE, Calif. -

A 20-year-old Eagle Scout was sentenced one year behind bars in Butte County on Tuesday after he admitted that he had molested a Boy Scout.

Dustin Hedrick was not at his sentencing on Tuesday in Butte County Court because he is facing a felony charge in Tehama County for another child molestation charge.

Because the victim of the molestation lives in Butte County, the Tehama County courts forbid Hedrick from going there.

Investigators said he assaulted two teenagers during a two year period at Camp Lassen in Butte Meadows.

And it starts….

[J P Sousa]

And it starts….

Wow, didn't see that coming. 
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[Conservative Libertarian]

I have talked about this recent BSA decision with a fellow that works BSA at the district level. He is looking into the On My Honor group and is willing to help re-org BSA troops into their new Org.

[Conservative Libertarian]

And it starts….

I posted this article in another forum. Like clockwork, the progressives started claiming that it was as inconsequential as linking Bengazi to abortion. The truth really is incorrect to those loathsome creatures.

[Dori]

I recently read where the Baptists voted to pull their support of the BSA.

However, I also read where Caterpillar pulled their support because the BSA doesn't allow gay scout leaders.

[seahorse513]

I get so pissed, when I read about this. The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts were founded on ethics and morals, and how to be a better person, allowing gay members, does quite the opposite. One person's sexual orientation is a life's choice. Is this about getting funding from 3rd party sponsers(?)like the government? They threatened the troops with no funding if they didn't allow gay members??
It is a trajedy, all these young men worked so hard to get their badges and merits(no easy feat either. )All the work thru the years, will go to waste, because, of a bunch of whiny babies, and political correctness got in the way!!

[Dori]

It is a trajedy, all these young men worked so hard to get their badges and merits(no easy feat either. )All the work thru the years, will go to waste, because, of a bunch of whiny babies, and political correctness got in the way!!

The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts.  Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders.  (Although you know that will change too).  But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact.  If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.

It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too.  Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.


 

[Eupher]

The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts.  Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders.  (Although you know that will change too).  But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact.  If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.

It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too.  Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.
 

So, based on your logic, it's acceptable to allow gays in the Boy Scouts because there aren't that many of them. Is that about right? Oh, and that it's inevitable that the BSA will ultimately be led by gays because that's inevitable too.

Do you have a towel that you can throw into the ring?

[seahorse513]

The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts.  Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders.  (Although you know that will change too).  But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact.  If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.

It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too.  Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.


 

Trouble is people have to stand their ground. If the government is NOT putting any funding into the dens, it should be put to a vote to the individual troops, and how they feel. I believe Gina, is fighting this very thing in regards to the pastor of her church...

[Dori]

So, based on your logic, it's acceptable to allow gays in the Boy Scouts because there aren't that many of them. Is that about right? Oh, and that it's inevitable that the BSA will ultimately be led by gays because that's inevitable too.

Do you have a towel that you can throw into the ring?

Throwing in the towel?  Hardly...you obviously haven't read any of my prior posts regarding this decision by the BSA. 

What I was addressing, is that if I had a son heavily invested (years) with his troop and leadership and he wanted to complete his Eagle, that I would support his decision to stay.  I also support those who hate what's happened and want to start their own scouting groups.   

[Conservative Libertarian]

The discussions within the On My Honor organization, as it is being formed, will most likely find a way to transfer achievements to similar levels of accomplishment.

I posted a link to this org earlier in the thread. I looks like much of our local district will defect to this org if they can get their act together in time.

[Eupher]

Throwing in the towel?  Hardly...you obviously haven't read any of my prior posts regarding this decision by the BSA. 

What I was addressing, is that if I had a son heavily invested (years) with his troop and leadership and he wanted to complete his Eagle, that I would support his decision to stay.  I also support those who hate what's happened and want to start their own scouting groups.   

I most certainly have read your stuff on the issue, but I was directing my comment to the specific post I quoted -- not what you wrote elsewhere.

Specifically, this comment:

It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too.  Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.

Just looking for clarification. It looked to me like you were shrugging your shoulders, allowing your son to finish what he started (definitely an advisable thing, IMHO) and then encouraging him to vacate the BSA, ergo tossing in the towel.

Speaking as an Eagle Scout myself (Sept. 1970), half or more of Scouting is leadership exhibited by the boys themselves. When you allow your son to finish what he started and then invite him to pull the plug, there goes a leadership opportunity right out the window.

But of course, it's the right thing to do.

Right?

[freedumb2003b]

The kids shouldn't suffer if they have a lot invested in the Scouts.  Currently they can't deny gay kids from joining, but not leaders.  (Although you know that will change too).  But their current leadership, troop members, etc are still in tact.  If my son had been in for a troop for a long time and wanted to finish his Eagle, I would support that.

So you're cool with boys overnight camping with gay boys -- that is the same as allowing girls and boys to sleep together, shower together, etc.  I mean with so much invested, a little boy-on-boy slap and tickle+ is no big deal. 

That is what the gays would have us think.

It's going to take awhile for the gay thing to take control, and probably even go after the spiritual aspect of scouts too.  Also remember, as much crap as we hear about gays, there really aren't that many of them compared to the majority, and I see even fewer of them wanting to become a Scout.

 

So it isn't principles, just simple risk/reward.

[seahorse513]

I am upset, maybe because I was in the GSA for 9 years, and we had a brother troop of which, my lead girl scout leader's husband was the head scout master. I never saw any improper behavior. Those young men were very well behaved, and quite disciplined.
 Mr Lafond didn't put up with any shit!! He taught me how to waltz actually...
On one side, you are teaching these young men, ethics, morals, character building, and leadership. Now this small minority of boys are being allowed to join a respected, established, private organization that now is willing to compromise their beliefs.
There are many churches out there, of whom sponser these troops to have use of the basement. Now we are asking the clergymen to contradict their beliefs in allowing this to happen.

Why should young men have to defect the BSA, because a few young men are homosexual, and why can't those young men find their own group?? They could call it Rainbow Scouts.  And that could be coed, you wouldn't have to worry about birth control.
I think it is selfish of this group to ask a large organization to compromise, their beliefs