ScreamingMeemie upset that lezzie pedophile is charged with felony

[DefiantSix]

I'm not being an asshole, but that doesn't make sense.

If the police have sufficient evidence that he committed the felony to meet the legal standard of "probable cause", then why is there no arrest warrant? The suspect's presence in, or absence from, the jurisdiction does not matter.

An arrest warrant for a felony would cause the suspect to be held after any traffic stop in the United States, and be extradited back to Washington.

Please see the revised post. No offense taken, bro.

[movie buff]

"While effective laws are certainly needed to protect Florida’s children from sexual predators,"
The ACLU and other liberals fight tooth and nail against any law needed to protect children from sexual predators.

[Big Dog]

Please see the revised post. No offense taken, bro.

OK, I understand now. Thanks!

It sounds tough for your niece. Good thing she has you and the rest of your family.

[Tucker]

Sorry, I'm having a hard time getting worked up over this one.  The parents of the younger child did in fact overreact. 

Maybe true. Maybe not. Point is that the DUmmies overacted. If it enrages them, causing them to get into a poop flinging episode, facts are of secondary importance.

[delilahmused]

I agree with Cindie. My daughter is dating a senior now, well as few opportunities we and his parents allow as a date and they met when he was 17. They went to prom together. I

disagree on the gay thing though. I knew some that I would say I knew were gay in high school bit two very close gay friends were interested in females as teens. Both went on and were preyed and groomed as late teens by older gay men and both lacked a good male role model growing up. It's why I don't fully subscribe to the 'born that way' theory.

In this case I do happen to agree with some duers that this is probably more about the parents objection to the same sex relationship then the age however the adult ie 18 year old should always be cognoscent that once they turn 18 they are taking a risk with over zealous parents.

But one day she's 17 and in love and the next day she's 18 and in love and she's supposed to be cognisant of the law? She's in high school and not even thinking about it. There's a bazillion things on her mind: tests, finals, getting into college, what she thinks she wants to do for the rest of her life, sports (if she plays), homework, friends, etc.

Cindie

[ColonelCarrots]

In Florida this is very common especially in your ghettos. Men with young girls. Only difference with this case is someone was vocal about it. Someone showed a concern.

[Vagabond]

But one day she's 17 and in love and the next day she's 18 and in love and she's supposed to be cognisant of the law? She's in high school and not even thinking about it. There's a bazillion things on her mind: tests, finals, getting into college, what she thinks she wants to do for the rest of her life, sports (if she plays), homework, friends, etc.

Cindie

....the parents of her Juliet telling her to stay the hell away from their daughter.  I don't buy what the media has said because the media has an agenda in cases like this.  Regardless that she was still in high school, not a classmate of her girlfriend, she had turned eighteen.  In her case fifteen could get her twenty.  She should have known better but apparently not.  If she were a guy absolutely no one would have much pity. 

[delilahmused]

....the parents of her Juliet telling her to stay the hell away from their daughter.  I don't buy what the media has said because the media has an agenda in cases like this.  Regardless that she was still in high school, not a classmate of her girlfriend, she had turned eighteen.  In her case fifteen could get her twenty.  She should have known better but apparently not.  If she were a guy absolutely no one would have much pity. 

So what do you call 2 high school students who attend the same school? I've always called them "classmates". They were also "peers in the same social circle". I'd bet that included students of all ages. Mine did. When my oldest son was in 2nd grade one of the kids in the school had cancer. Her "classmates" who were not all from the same class, but were friends would go visit her in the hospitals. When she was gone for a while because she was so sick the teachers had their students make get well cards for her. They were from her "classmates" even though they were in grades K-6.

Still, I don't expect a kid that is 17 one day (and able to legally be with a girlfriend/boyfriend) and 18 the next day and understand it's illegal to date the same person. How many 18 year olds that are in high school do think about that? How many parents (whether their daughters/sons are dating someone 18 or younger) tell them to not see whoever they're dating? My guess, the majority don't listen. If we were talking a 20 year old or someone who'd been out of high school for a while that would be one thing but these two hung out together before they started dating. Didn't you ever date someone who was in the same social circle you were?

Cindie

[Ballygrl]

Hmm, we have an array of differing opinions in this thread, and no 1 has become uncivil, and no 1 threatened to put those they disagree with on the iggy list. Will DU notice that?

[Big Dog]

Still, I don't expect a kid that is 17 one day (and able to legally be with a girlfriend/boyfriend) and 18 the next day and understand it's illegal to date the same person. How many 18 year olds that are in high school do think about that? How many parents (whether their daughters/sons are dating someone 18 or younger) tell them to not see whoever they're dating? My guess, the majority don't listen. If we were talking a 20 year old or someone who'd been out of high school for a while that would be one thing but these two hung out together before they started dating. Didn't you ever date someone who was in the same social circle you were?

Cindie

Cindie,

The 18 year old woman was not arrested for dating a 14 year old, she was arrested for engaging in sexual contact or intercourse with a 14 year old.

I disagree with you: the 18 year old was responsible to know she was breaking the law, and it is reasonable to expect her to know the law and to follow it. It's reasonable to blame her mother and father for poor parenting, but the ultimate responsibility falls on the young woman, who is an adult in the eyes of the law. If she had killed the 14 year old, she would not be able to plead ignorance of the law.

Using examples from my own life:
*Before I turned 14, I knew the voting age was 18.
*Before I turned 14, I knew the legal drinking age was 18, and the punishment for Minor in Possession of Alcohol.
*Before I turned 14, I knew the legal smoking age was 18, and the punishment I could expect from my father if I was caught with cigarettes.
*Before I turned 14, I knew I was eligible for a farm driving permit on my birthday.
*Before I turned 15, I knew I was eligible for a learner's permit on my birthday.
*Before I turned 15, I knew I was required to take Hunter's Safety class before I could get a hunting license.
*Before I turned 16, I knew I was eligible for a driver's license on my birthday.
*Before I turned 17, I knew I was eligible to enlist in the Armed Forces on my birthday.
*At the age of 17 years, 1 month, and 15 days I was standing in formation at Ft Dix, NJ with my first Army haircut.
*At the age of 17 years, 3 months, I was responsible for safely and effectively operating an M16 rifle, hand grenade, M60 machine gun, M2 machine gun, Claymore mine, and M203 grenade launcher.
*At the age of 17 years, 7 months, I completed Army medic school, with all the responsibilities of that job.
*At the age of 17 years, 9 months I completed the Army flight medic course, with all the responsibilities of that job.

If she's old enough to enjoy the benefits of adulthood (voting, smoking, buying a car, etc.), then she's old enough to be held responsible for being an  adult (statutory rape). I have no sympathy for her.

[Big Dog]

Hmm, we have an array of differing opinions in this thread, and no 1 has become uncivil, and no 1 threatened to put those they disagree with on the iggy list. Will DU notice that?

Sorry, I was ignoring you. What did you say?

 

[Tucker]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/us/florida-18-year-old-arrested-for-encounters-with-friend-14-gets-online-support.html?_r=0

A sheriff’s deputy interviewed Ms. Hunt. In a summary of her statement, he wrote that she had confirmed having a sexual encounter with the girl in the school bathroom and in her bedroom. The younger girl’s name is blotted out throughout the publicly released form, but the final line of the report tackles the difference in age. When he asked Ms. Hunt if she knew it was wrong to have sex with the 14-year-old, “Kaitlyn stated that she did not think about it because” the girl “acted older.”

Many men are in prison for thinking that exact same thing.

[Vagabond]

So what do you call 2 high school students who attend the same school? I've always called them "classmates". They were also "peers in the same social circle". I'd bet that included students of all ages. Mine did. When my oldest son was in 2nd grade one of the kids in the school had cancer. Her "classmates" who were not all from the same class, but were friends would go visit her in the hospitals. When she was gone for a while because she was so sick the teachers had their students make get well cards for her. They were from her "classmates" even though they were in grades K-6.

Still, I don't expect a kid that is 17 one day (and able to legally be with a girlfriend/boyfriend) and 18 the next day and understand it's illegal to date the same person. How many 18 year olds that are in high school do think about that? How many parents (whether their daughters/sons are dating someone 18 or younger) tell them to not see whoever they're dating? My guess, the majority don't listen. If we were talking a 20 year old or someone who'd been out of high school for a while that would be one thing but these two hung out together before they started dating. Didn't you ever date someone who was in the same social circle you were?

Cindie

An 18 year old in the Army with a 16 year old girlfriend has the same problem.  When he joined the Army, that girl turned into jail bait even though he took her to the prom just a few months ago, even if he has her parents approval.

No, I didn't date within my social circle.

[Rebel]

Cindie,

The 18 year old woman was not arrested for dating a 14 year old, she was arrested for engaging in sexual contact or intercourse with a 14 year old.

I disagree with you: the 18 year old was responsible to know she was breaking the law, and it is reasonable to expect her to know the law and to follow it. It's reasonable to blame her mother and father for poor parenting, but the ultimate responsibility falls on the young woman, who is an adult in the eyes of the law. If she had killed the 14 year old, she would not be able to plead ignorance of the law.

Using examples from my own life:
*Before I turned 14, I knew the voting age was 18.
*Before I turned 14, I knew the legal drinking age was 18, and the punishment for Minor in Possession of Alcohol.
*Before I turned 14, I knew the legal smoking age was 18, and the punishment I could expect from my father if I was caught with cigarettes.
*Before I turned 14, I knew I was eligible for a farm driving permit on my birthday.
*Before I turned 15, I knew I was eligible for a learner's permit on my birthday.
*Before I turned 15, I knew I was required to take Hunter's Safety class before I could get a hunting license.
*Before I turned 16, I knew I was eligible for a driver's license on my birthday.
*Before I turned 17, I knew I was eligible to enlist in the Armed Forces on my birthday.
*At the age of 17 years, 1 month, and 15 days I was standing in formation at Ft Dix, NJ with my first Army haircut.
*At the age of 17 years, 3 months, I was responsible for safely and effectively operating an M16 rifle, hand grenade, M60 machine gun, M2 machine gun, Claymore mine, and M203 grenade launcher.
*At the age of 17 years, 7 months, I completed Army medic school, with all the responsibilities of that job.
*At the age of 17 years, 9 months I completed the Army flight medic course, with all the responsibilities of that job.

If she's old enough to enjoy the benefits of adulthood (voting, smoking, buying a car, etc.), then she's old enough to be held responsible for being an  adult (statutory rape). I have no sympathy for her.

So, you're a Jr., that just turned 17, dating a freshman, who's 14-15. You date the girl for 2 years. Your 18th birthday is at the end of your Sr. year. The day before you turn 18, are you going to break up with your girlfriend of 2 years, minus a few days, because "it's the law"?

Are you guys sure you're not taking this position due to it being a lesbian? My father, USMC, 0811 '69-'73, was born in 1951. My mother, 1954. I was born in 1973. My mother was in H.S. when I was conceived. She was < 18. Is my father, who is STILL married to my mother, a pedophile?

[Tucker]

So, you're a Jr., that just turned 17, dating a freshman, who's 14-15. You date the girl for 2 years. Your 18th birthday is at the end of your Sr. year. The day before you turn 18, are you going to break up with your girlfriend of 2 years, minus a few days, because "it's the law"?

Are you guys sure you're not taking this position due to it being a lesbian? My father, USMC, 0811 '69-'73, was born in 1951. My mother, 1954. I was born in 1973. My mother was in H.S. when I was conceived. She was < 18. Is my father, who is STILL married to my mother, a pedophile?

Dating is not the issue. It's the sexual encounters.

[Rebel]

Dating is not the issue. It's the sexual encounters.

I was born in '73. My mother was in H.S. and under 18. She was 17 when I was conceived.

[NHSparky]

In Florida this is very common especially in your ghettos. Men with young girls. Only difference with this case is someone was vocal about it. Someone showed a concern.

Yeah, well, there's a bit of difference between a relationship between a 15 and 18 year old, and the "relationships" between 30 year olds and 13 year olds of which you speak.  And yeah, see that too when I lived in CA.

[Rebel]

Yeah, well, there's a bit of difference between a relationship between a 15 and 18 year old, and the "relationships" between 30 year olds and 13 year olds of which you speak.  And yeah, see that too when I lived in CA.

Totally agree.

[Tucker]

I was born in '73. My mother was in H.S. and under 18. She was 17 when I was conceived.

I've read several accounts of this incident. Some report that the parents waited until the older girl was 18 to press charges. Others have said that the parents pressed charges before the younger girl turned 16. After she turned 16, the relationship would be legal.

That being said, being in a sexual relationship at 17 is a big difference than at 14 when the partner is over 18.

[ColonelCarrots]

Yeah, well, there's a bit of difference between a relationship between a 15 and 18 year old, and the "relationships" between 30 year olds and 13 year olds of which you speak.  And yeah, see that too when I lived in CA.

Sometimes it's not even 30 year olds. Sometimes it's 18 with a 14 year old.

[Undies]

Should I call the cops on my wife?  She was 18 and I was 16.   

[Big Dog]

So, you're a Jr., that just turned 17, dating a freshman, who's 14-15. You date the girl for 2 years. Your 18th birthday is at the end of your Sr. year. The day before you turn 18, are you going to break up with your girlfriend of 2 years, minus a few days, because "it's the law"?

Would I break up with my underage girlfriend? No. But, if I could go to prison for having sex with the girl, I wouldn't have sex with her. "Dating" and "having sex" are not the same thing.

Are you guys sure you're not taking this position due to it being a lesbian?

I won't speak for anyone else. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the 18 year old being a lesbian. She's 18, the girl is 14.

My father, USMC, 0811 '69-'73, was born in 1951. My mother, 1954. I was born in 1973. My mother was in H.S. when I was conceived. She was < 18. Is my father, who is STILL married to my mother, a pedophile?

Unless your father was sexually attracted to your mother before she had her first menstrual period, he was not a pedophile. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to a prepubescent child. I'm talking about statutory rape (sexual intercourse with a person below the legal age of consent).

[Big Dog]

Should I call the cops on my wife?  She was 18 and I was 16.   

Are you complaining, or bragging?

 

[Tucker]

Should I call the cops on my wife?  She was 18 and I was 16.   

In the FL case, once the younger girl reached 16, she could give legal consent to the sexual aspect of the relationship.

There are women in prison for having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old boy.

[Rebel]

Unless your father was sexually attracted to your mother before she had her first menstrual period, he was not a pedophile. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to a prepubescent child. I'm talking about statutory rape (sexual intercourse with a person below the legal age of consent).

14 years old isn't prepubescence. But no, they started dating when she was 16. He was 19, IIRC. This was not all that uncommon until recently.