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DU howls for civil war
« on: May 21, 2013, 10:16:35 AM »
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TREASON. I think the GOP'ers relentlessly persecuting Obama are now guilty of it.

I posted this elsewhere here - but thought it might be worth its own thread. It was a response to rhett o rick who wondered if jonathan karl and his ilk might be guilty of sedition in cooked and concocted "news" coverage that passed off GOP-doctored talking points as the real thing from the White House. I think it smacks of flat-out TREASON. And I think we oughta start a drumbeat about it. Hit these bastards back HARDER than they hit us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022872271

Bill Maher broached the subject last week with Michael Moore - wondering aloud whether all this obstruction was tantamount to treason.

Well, I think he makes a GREAT point, and WE ought to be repeating that meme and starting to bring it to life.

Consider:

At this moment, we still are a nation AT WAR. We presently have thousands of Americans IN HARM'S WAY, IN ACTIVE COMBAT, IN LIVE HOT ZONES. FACING ARMED AND RELENTLESS AND WELL-ARMED ENEMIES. RIGHT NOW. At this very instant. Afghanistan mainly. But ANYWHERE in the frickin' Middle East, their lives are literally on the line.

Now - when a President presides during wartime, that makes him a wartime president, does it not?

And what else is a President known as? How 'bout Commander-in-Chief of ALL United States Armed Forces? Yep, WHOEVER the POTUS is at any given moment, that's his OTHER title. That's what else our nation's Chief Executive is.

Now - what would you call obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all United States Armed Forces DURING wartime? I think it just might be TREASON. Probably HIGH Treason, at that. Because like it or not, the United States of America is still at war.

So that means Barack H. Obama is not only the current President, he's also Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. And at THIS time, he's a WARTIME President and a WARTIME Commander-in-Chief. Anybody willfully getting in his way and impeding and obstructing his job is, in effect, committing TREASON. After all, they're obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces DURING A TIME OF WAR.

What do you think the republi-CONS would be doing now - if it was their guy in the White House, facing this much on-going opposition?

This whole mess needs to be reframed and renamed. And if they were blathering about the "I-word" then I think it's high time we started bringing up the "T-word."

It's time to fight these bastards with EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT. TREASON. That is what the GOP is now GUILTY of. They've even got the "G-for-guilty" in GOP already in place.

I'd like your take on this. I think it's messaging we should start circulating. Maybe it'll catch on.

What do you think?

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4. I'm just fed up. You bad-guys wanna start insinuating about the "I-word"?

Well, then here's the "T-word" for ya, straight up yer ass.

Seriously. If OUR side blocked every damn breath and eyebrow hair of an opposition president, what do you think the CONS would do? Demand we stop? Hell. How well has THAT worked?

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2. Yeah.

It's time to say it.

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6. Ah, the old false-equivalency thing again. Not relevant here. Not by a long shot.

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And btw - it's not the same thing. There was virtually NO effort at serious obstruction from the Democratic side against bush/cheney. NOTHING. NOTHING on the order of what we've seen now. NOBODY, as much as we despised bush and knew he stole the election, NOBODY set about to deliberately and actively, EN MASSE, obstruct. NOBODY on our side gathered in a little hotel conference room on the bush/cheney inauguration night to plot his political demise and how to shut him down. I remember very clearly. The media didn't. The Dems didn't. And those of us who were seriously upset about the hijacking that had just occurred (indeed, it was tantamount to a coup d'etat) had to find refuge in little groups here on the internet, and some grumbling in a few coffee shops here and there - among those of us to whom nobody listened.

There was no big uproar. There was no party-wide collusion to ruin that "presidency" OR a declaration of, okay, war if you will, that Job One for the Democrats was to make sure bush/cheney was a one-term president. NONE. Believe me, I searched! I WANTED to see this very badly because I thought it was just, and well-deserved. And there was NONE.

And we groused for several months until this one day in September 2001, when suddenly EVERYONE fell into line behind bush/cheney, and pretty much stayed that way, silenced, unquestioning, our side's leaders scrambling to find places to stand staunchly behind those two fiends. bush/cheney never EVER faced the kind of organized relentless pile-on opposition that President Obama has had to deal with - EVERY ****ING MINUTE OF EVERY ****ING DAMN DAY that he's been in office.

It's not a fair comparison you're making. Sorry.

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8. Obstructionism is not treason. It just isn't. So by calling them treasonous...

You are falsely accusing them of treason. Which is exactly what the neo-cons did to us.

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13. That is my thought. It can be argued that the Republicans are giving aid and comfort to the

enemy. But then, what they are doing is politics, dirty politics. It comes close, but it probably isn't treason. The only reason that I say it comes close is that the Republicans are making stuff up. They have no basis for accusing Obama of mistakes. Their theories are not based on fact.

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9. Yes, the extremist 20 have committed treason. Sedition is illegal

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10. sedition.

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spicegal (730 posts)
17. Their behavior is definitely anti-American and unpatriotic. I get that people have differing views

on politics and the way things should be done in government, but the GOP obstructs for the sake of obstructing, because their intention is to gum up the works, for no other reason then to hurt the president. It's destructive for the country and nothing gets done. They obstruct over the most benign things. They essentially prevent the government from running. Does that fit the definition of treason? don't see why not.

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18. No, not in a legal sense

Don't let that stop Obama.

He's on a roll.

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19. I think the obstructing R's in congress and in fact at all levels of government have been

guilty of promoting their political agenda at the expense of good government and the best welfare of the country since mid/late 2008. Simply put the interests of the country have been compromised for their political goals. If that can be legally represented and supported in a trial for treason I say lets go for it. Bring on the special prosecutors because congress is so partisan that they could never objectively evaluate their behavior.

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30. I think you need to read the Constitution. nt

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38. Oooooh. TREASON, probably HIGH TREASON?

Guess what, this OP is STUPIDITY, probably HIGH STUPIDITY.

And 24 recs for this crap? The mind boggles.

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49. I thought I was the ony one.

Good to know I am not alone

Then you won't die alone if you try to act on your idiotic fantasies.

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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 10:24:38 AM »
Yo DUmb****s:


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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2013, 10:33:53 AM »
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At this moment, we still are a nation AT WAR. We presently have thousands of Americans IN HARM'S WAY, IN ACTIVE COMBAT, IN LIVE HOT ZONES. FACING ARMED AND RELENTLESS AND WELL-ARMED ENEMIES. RIGHT NOW. At this very instant. Afghanistan mainly. But ANYWHERE in the frickin' Middle East, their lives are literally on the line.

Now - when a President presides during wartime, that makes him a wartime president, does it not?

And what else is a President known as? How 'bout Commander-in-Chief of ALL United States Armed Forces? Yep, WHOEVER the POTUS is at any given moment, that's his OTHER title. That's what else our nation's Chief Executive is.

Now - what would you call obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all United States Armed Forces DURING wartime? I think it just might be TREASON. Probably HIGH Treason, at that. Because like it or not, the United States of America is still at war.

So that means Barack H. Obama is not only the current President, he's also Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. And at THIS time, he's a WARTIME President and a WARTIME Commander-in-Chief. Anybody willfully getting in his way and impeding and obstructing his job is, in effect, committing TREASON. After all, they're obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces DURING A TIME OF WAR.

Stochastic terrorism!  Spin, click!  Targets on officials!

 :whatever:

After what we witnessed from every useless, emotionally crippled, morally bankrupt, filthy-assed, low information slave, liberals during President Bush's tenure, the DUmmie's rant rings a bit, well, hollow....

Anger:  The next step of the Kubler-Ross model.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 10:34:59 AM »
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44. We're Seeing History Repeat Itself

When the Republicans tried desperately to find a scandal to pin to Bill Clinton, it provided the onus for 9/11 to happen. Their obsession with "getting Clinton" started that ball rolling downhill. And the series of events that unfolded thereafter (including the "installation" of Bush into the White House) basically caused 9/11.

And now they're doing it again.

Yes, you read that correctly kids.

Bill Clinton's perjury caused 9/11.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 10:38:48 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 21, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Yo DUmb****s:


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Remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism? Those were the days...
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 10:40:42 AM »
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Bring it.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 10:55:08 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on May 21, 2013, 10:38:48 AM
Remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism? Those were the days...

They scratched those bumper stickers off of their cars the moment Obama was elected.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 11:08:12 AM »
I would say ignoring warnings of an attack and pleads for more security along with refusal to defend a sovereign outpost under attack treason...but that is just me.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 11:19:51 AM »
We so need to defeat these people at the ballot box.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2013, 11:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on May 21, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
We so need to defeat these people at the ballot box.

I s'pose we could try that too.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 11:33:43 AM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on May 21, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
We so need to defeat these people at the ballot box.

Meh, I'm at the point I'm almost craving the moment they launch the Great War Against Conservatives, but that's just me.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 11:39:15 AM »
Quote from: Mike220 on May 21, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Meh, I'm at the point I'm almost craving the moment they launch the Great War Against Conservatives, but that's just me.

 :agree: :yeahthat:
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2013, 12:01:16 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on May 21, 2013, 11:21:34 AM
I s'pose we could try that too.

Killing them in a civil war would be easier.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2013, 12:06:36 PM »
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17. Actually, you might not be far off.

Bill Maher broached the subject last week with Michael Moore - wondering aloud whether all this obstruction was tantamount to treason.

Well, I think he makes a GREAT point, and WE ought to be repeating that meme and starting to bring it to life.

Consider:

At this moment, we still are a nation AT WAR. We presently have thousands of Americans IN HARM'S WAY, IN ACTIVE COMBAT, IN LIVE HOT ZONES. FACING ARMED AND RELENTLESS AND WELL-ARMED ENEMIES. RIGHT NOW. At this very instant. Afghanistan mainly. But ANYWHERE in the frickin' Middle East, their lives are literally on the line.

Now - when a President presides during wartime, that makes him a wartime president, does it not?

And what else is a President known as? How 'bout Commander-in-Chief of ALL United States Armed Forces? Yep, WHOEVER the POTUS is at any given moment, that's his OTHER title. That's what else our nation's Chief Executive is.

Now - what would you call obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all United States Armed Forces DURING wartime? I think it just might be TREASON. Probably HIGH Treason, at that. Because like it or not, the United States of America is still at war.

So that means Barack H. Obama is not only the current President, he's also Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. And at THIS time, he's a WARTIME President and a WARTIME Commander-in-Chief. Anybody willfully getting in his way and impeding and obstructing his job is, in effect, committing TREASON. After all, they're obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces DURING A TIME OF WAR.

Bush was a "wartime President" for his entire two terms, save about 10 months, you ****ing idiot. Did you jackoffs stop your bitching, complaining, and protesting then? HELL NO. DU STARTED due to Bush's election and you ****ing moonbats haven't let up since.

But if you want a civil war, bring it, pussies.    :bird:
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2013, 12:07:55 PM »
Quote from: Mike220 on May 21, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Meh, I'm at the point I'm almost craving the moment they launch the Great War Against Conservatives, but that's just me.

It sure would be funny to watch them running around like their heads were on fire.  DUmmies mostly live in cities.  Areas that, by definition can not support themselves.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2013, 12:12:34 PM »
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It sure would be funny to watch them running around like their heads were on fire.  DUmmies mostly live in cities.  Areas that, by definition can not support themselves.

The DUmmies would very quickly be killed and eaten by the predators and scavengers in their Bluetopias.
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2013, 12:13:14 PM »
Quote from: Mike220 on May 21, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Meh, I'm at the point I'm almost craving the moment they launch the Great War Against Conservatives, but that's just me.

Yup. I'm sooo tired of wandering in the wilderness of contra-revolutionary non-groupthink and I anxiously await the caring, all-concerned minions of Dear Leader showing me the error of my ways, and welcoming me into the blissful life of Hope and Change. [/sarc]  :rotf: :rotf:









Y'all can probably guess how hard it was to type that and keep a straight face...  :fuelfire:
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2013, 12:15:31 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on May 21, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
It sure would be funny to watch them running around like their heads were on fire.  DUmmies mostly live in cities.  Areas that, by definition can not support themselves.

It will be even more fun to watch them running around their Blue Shitholes with their heads ACTUALLY on fire.  :fuelfire:
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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2013, 12:22:42 PM »
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Now - when a President presides during wartime, that makes him a wartime president, does it not?



Oh..... *clap clap*.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2013, 12:27:07 PM »
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Now - when a President presides during wartime, that makes him a wartime president, does it not?

When did Congress last declare war?

Damn that Constitution anyway!

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Re: DU howls for civil war
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2013, 12:28:19 PM »
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So that means Barack H. Obama is not only the current President, he's also Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. And at THIS time, he's a WARTIME President and a WARTIME Commander-in-Chief. Anybody willfully getting in his way and impeding and obstructing his job is, in effect, committing TREASON. After all, they're obstructing the Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces DURING A TIME OF WAR.

So that means the DUmp en masse could be retroactively charged with treason for their actions from 2001 thru 2008?

Be careful what you ****tards wish for...it's a knife that cuts both ways.
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2013, 12:39:25 PM »
The DUmbasses really need to lay off the crack pipe.   :stoner:
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44. We're Seeing History Repeat Itself

When the Republicans tried desperately to find a scandal to pin to Bill Clinton, it provided the onus for 9/11 to happen. Their obsession with "getting Clinton" started that ball rolling downhill. And the series of events that unfolded thereafter (including the "installation" of Bush into the White House) basically caused 9/11.

And now they're doing it again.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2013, 12:43:19 PM »
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They essentially prevent the government from running. Does that fit the definition of treason? don't see why not.


Pretty casual about something that would entail the death penalty.  Who are you going to put on trial?  All R congressmen, senators, governors, state legislators, town councilmen, dog catchers?  Everyone who voted for them?  Is that what you're picturing?  
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And btw - it's not the same thing. There was virtually NO effort at serious obstruction from the Democratic side against bush/cheney. NOTHING. NOTHING on the order of what we've seen now.

Bullshit.  The few things that the left let Bush pass had the backing of most Americans and they did  it for self preservation.  Other times, President Bush gave in and let the left add i their bullshit to get what he knew was better for the country.  Obama rams shit through congress with the help of freedom hating Pelosi and Reid.

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JDPriestly (37,742 posts)
13. That is my thought. It can be argued that the Republicans are giving aid and comfort to the

enemy.

Who is giving arms to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?  Obama.  Who wants to arm al Qaeda rebels in Syria?  Obama.  Treasonous?  Hell Yes.
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