Nadin and the turbine saga continues

[Kimberly]

With Thread #3

You will enjoy the thread. They are piling on with all the enthusiasm of a shark attack now. It's a bloodbath.
 

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:15 PM

nadinbrzezinski (120,118 posts)


Sacred cows...they are tasty.
 
So a few here have even said I am against green energy, which is funny as hell.

So would love to clarify a few things.

No energy source is free of warts. Some have a few warts...wind...some have so many I stopped counting. (Nuclear, oil, fracking, coal)

Renewables though, due to how they work, will be far better in a distributive model, see roof top solar. And in time roof top wind, research is moving in that direction.

But let's go back to wind, warts and all, you know where it would work better in San Diego and deliver most of it's power to it's intended users? Has any of you ever heard of La Jolla Shores? The views are smashing, the winds are constant and mostly from one direction. It would also place this almost on top of the users. Oh and the channel, amazing winds...sail boats are there all the time.

La Jolla is very wealthy, very well connected. I know you've heard of it due to Romney. So what do you think are the odds of even a small wind farm going there?

The other place that is like ideal is San Diego Mission Bay Park. It has a little less wind, but it's a favorite to go fly kites. I've done it, it's great. It's a playground for San Diego and it s part of the master plan as a park, not an industrial zone. I am so against wind that I would get to see them outside my window. They would be oh five minutes from here by car. Yup, written an editorial to this effect...put them there.


You want to hear where some of the power is coming? Forget Ocotillo, that is 75 miles away, Mexicalli, that is 100+ miles away. Go check your physics textbooks and look up for line degradation. This is one of the reasons behind one of the few warts wind has, the price of that electricity. It is about three times as much than other sources in San Diego. This long distance power lines are vulnerable, and they lose power on the way in.

What I fear is that folks do not want to look at the very few warts we know off.

Some are very well recognized, bird deaths....some, quite frankly we need to do research. All the human complaints are coming from different places...so at this point they are rising to concern and research.

Does this mean wind is eeeevvvviiiikiilllll? No...it just means some of us have a far more nuanced view and do not think it is pure as a baby's bottom. Nothing is. But if mentioning warts means we are against it...well then, you got my number.

 

For the record, we will continue to not just cover the local stories, but also developments in the technology. Some of those might reduce, even remove, some of the better known warts, such as it's effect on wild life...yes bird and bat deaths are extremely well documented. They will also reduce or remove some of the human complaints. Oh, and they could be looked at for urban deployment as well. Perhaps even, roof tops.

What wind is...well part of a basket...not a single solution.

 

[Kimberly]

 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #73)

Sat May 18, 2013, 08:30 PM

Brickbat (14,359 posts)

74. I have to admit I find your MO fascinating.
 

Nadin: I assert X.

Poster: OMG. Links?

Nadin: I guess none of this happened. I guess nothing ever happens. Any observation that anyone has ever made ever never really actually happened and none of us should mention any of this ever again.

(Exeunt.)

Now they're going after Nadin's paper: 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:24 PM

JimDandy (2,172 posts)

2. While I agree with you on the distributive model


the problem is that your newspaper seems to be in the pocket of one sector of the renewable energy industry...bladeless turbines...and copying and pasting whole swaths of material from one of them doesn't instill trust in the reader.

Response to JimDandy (Reply #2)

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:27 PM

nadinbrzezinski (120,118 posts)

4. Sorry we are not in anybody

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Pockets. In fact a utility offered money until,they were told that editorial independence would be kept.

Funny dat

It was offered as an alternative after Ocotillo lost a blade.

Response to

nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:40 PM

Codeine (12,666 posts)

11. Oh baloney.
 

Nobody would offer that half-wit excuse for a journalistic outlet money for anything more significant than used copiers and office furniture on CraigsList.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:41 PM

Star Member tammywammy (18,418 posts)

14. A utility offered East County Magazine money in the last two days?

Response to tammywammy (Reply #14)

Sat May 18, 2013, 05:03 PM

Star Member winter is coming (1,101 posts)

27. More likely, they offered to donate a spell-checker as a community service. n/t

Response to tammywammy (Reply #14)

Sat May 18, 2013, 05:48 PM

Star Member maddezmom (130,769 posts)

56. Wonder what ultility company it would have been since ECM is funded by Heartland coalition
 

And one of the top contributors is SDG&E. Maybe a competitor?

http://heartlandcln.org/major-donors/

 

Response to Brickbat (Reply #18)

Sat May 18, 2013, 05:11 PM

Star Member maddezmom (130,769 posts)

34. Seems like ECM is a mouth piece for a the Heartland Foundation.

http://bettergivingsd.guidestar.org/NonprofitProfile.aspx?OrgId=32745

Project Awareness: East County Magazine (ECM) Program

East County Magazine, a component of Heartland’s Project Awareness, continued publishing its weekly paper and again received numerous awards from the San Diego Press Club. It is now the second most widely read paper in San Diego County. East County magazine assists in public safety by sending Fire Alerts to subscriber emails and cell phones. East County Magazine is being published at a loss of approximately 15000 a year. The editor is not paid, and many of the writers are not paid. We’d like to be able to pay them and hire additional writers. We’d also like to do a Spanish version and expand our reach into Mexico. ECM provides vital coverage of fire emergencies. If we could expand and improve our web site, we could sell more advertising. Although the site gets millions of hits, it isn’t of high enough quality to draw enough high-quality advertising to make it be self-sustaining.

Budget
$0
Category
Public, Society Benefit, General/Other / Public, Society Benefit, General/Other
Population Served
General/Unspecified / Immigrant, Newcomers, Refugees / Other Named Groups
Program is linked to organization’s mission and strategy
Yes
Program is frequently assessed based on predetermined program goals
Yes
Program Short-Term Success
East County Magazine has grown to be the second most read on line magazine in San Diego County, lead only by the San Diego Union-Tribune on line. We receive over 1 million hits per month and advertising revenues are growing. Due to the success of the magazine thousands of subscribers are receiving lifesaving and time saving alerts regarding natural disasters and traffic issues in the communities east of I-15 in San Diego County.

More at the link

Response to maddezmom (Reply #34)

Sat May 18, 2013, 05:16 PM

Codeine (12,666 posts)

38. ". . .it isn’t of high enough quality to

draw enough high-quality advertising to make it be self-sustaining."

You can ****ing well say THAT again.

 

[Kimberly]

She's started another thread: Could Wind Turbines be Toxic to the ear

The bullies are piling on and iggy list is growing. 

[JakeStyle]

Response to JimDandy (Reply #2)

Sat May 18, 2013, 04:27 PM

nadinbrzezinski (120,118 posts)

4. Sorry we are not in anybody

Last edited Sat May 18, 2013, 04:29 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

Pockets. In fact a utility offered money until,they were told that editorial independence would be kept.

Funny dat

It was offered as an alternative after Ocotillo lost a blade.

That whole subthread is hilarious.  She has lost her mind.

[Airwolf]

Hard to tell who is a bigger blow hard. The CBD or the windmills.

[Revolution]

Nadin is the only one/thing over there that is "Eeeevvvillllkilllllll!1!11"

Codeine (12,666 posts)

8. Nobody had an issue with those concerns.

Your posts got all the ridicule they so richly and thoroughly deserved because you and the fishwrap paper you write for hyped up non-existent dangers like the notion that a blade weighing many tons could be flung for over a mile by the momentum of its spin, which is beyond silly. You also harped on the idea that wind turbines cause cancer clusters, but failed to demonstrate that such a cluster even exists. Multiple errors of fact were pointed out to you -- you failed to address a single one.

This isn't about you attacking the sacred cows of DU or the environmental movement, this is about your silly trolling nonsense. That's what it has always been about. That's what it will continue to be about. Were you to come down from your cross long enough to realize this you'd once again, as you very much were in the past, be a valuable and respected contributor to DU.

And yeah, I know you're not reading this because I'm on the Infamous List of Iggy, but it pleases me to write it.

BUUUUUUUUUUUURN! That was fantastic, and it reminds me of a scene from the movie "The Ref."

winter is coming (1,102 posts)

28. Has anyone ever considered harnessing the energy created by backpedaling?

There's a renewable energy source, if ever there was one. Not sure I'd call it "clean", though.
 

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #28)

Sat May 18, 2013, 05:09 PM

Codeine (12,666 posts)

32. Much of the energy thus generated is lost through a process called Self-Delete Dissipation. nt

I think The Big Three even enjoy reading this stuff while Nads gets destroyed.

[NHSparky]

Hey nads, as a relay technician and utility employee who is well versed in line losses, their contributing factors, etc., might I just toss the following suggestion your way:

Shut. The. ****. UP!

And when you can actually, you know, READ AND UNDERSTAND Blackburn's "Protective Relaying, Principles and Applications" or perhaps tell me what an SEL-421 does, or what the default passwords for an SEL relay, or a RFL relay, or an ABB relay are, then maybe I'll give a shit what you have to say on a particular subject.

Oh, and just for shits and giggles, tell ya what.  You have a windmill blade with a mass of 2000kg.  How much energy would be required to move that blade a distance of 1600 meters (1 mile), assuming negligible wind resistance and g=9.8 m/s^2?  What would the maximum height of the blade be?  What would the initial velocity of the blade be, and assuming the blade has a length of 25 meters, what rotational speed would be required to generate the force necessary?

Show all your ****ing work, scrunt.

[JohnnyReb]

Show all your ****ing work, scrunt.

Using DUmmie calculus, I get the following formula....One potato, two potato, three potato four = massive SHTF moment...and there's your facts.

[whiffleball]

In a non turbine thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022865268  she posts the following:

Response to byeya (Reply #36)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:05 AM

nadinbrzezinski (120,145 posts)
37. At this point it is who the poster is

"I already told the owners at ATA that I expect the alert system to continue to be abused incessantly.

Some folks here want me dead, that is the honest truth. It is tolerated.

Oh I expect this to be alerted too, and possibly locked.

But I expect now everything posted to be alerted on.

So, at this point there is on thing left, not give money and a healthy laugh. "



Now she has a pending question in the ATA forum. 

[Chris_]

Some folks here want me dead, that is the honest truth. It is tolerated.

She's a legend in her own mind.

[NHSparky]

Nads dearest, nobody wants you dead.  The expression, "waste of ammo" comes to mind.

So keep dishing out those bitchslaps, hon.  It's all good.  They kinda tickle.

[Ogre]

In a non turbine thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022865268  she posts the following:

  

From the same thread

Response to zerosumgame0005 (Reply #38)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:33 AM

 nadinbrzezinski (120,145 posts)

39. i know

Iran -Contra was uggly...perhaps ugglier than Watergate. The beggining of something dark

How ugly is she you ask?

She's so ugly you have to use an extra "g".  


--fixed for typo

[Skul]

That was a freaking feeding frenzy. 

[Aristotelian]

The bullies really are out in force...I'm starting to wonder whether this will be the one which causes a melt-down.

An interesting exchange wherein the roly-poly dwarf admits that she reads posts from those on the all-powerful iggy list.

Electric Monk (7,685 posts)
5. nadin, you seem to be ignoring this reply, which isn't helping you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2862584
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/04/npr-gives-wind-power-hypochondriacs-a-platform/193472

Response to Electric Monk (Reply #5)Sat May 18, 2013, 08:39 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,150 posts)
10. I have that person on ignore

So will answer here.

This is actually, believe it or not, an American Wind Energy Association stand.

Nothing to see here.

Here you go

http://www.awea.org/learnabout/publications/upload/Wind-Turbines-and-Health-Factsheet_WP11.pdf

When you have a few, even on one site, or a few sites...you have anecdote in your hands. We are getting a lot of this. So far we have very little actual research.

What I want to see, and I hope you do as well, is actually some well designed study, a few would be better. For the record, we have two that the Aussies cited in 2009

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/your-health/wind-farms-and-human-health

One was slightly better than the other.

They are doing the review again.

But we have so many complaints across many states and facilities, that it rises to the level of we need studies.

It is truly a way to finally put this to bed. Or as much as you can with science.

Logic suggests that she could only answer if she had read the post in question...

[Ballygrl]

How does she mentally remember who she has on ignore? It's easy to do if you only have a few on ignore, not easy if your ignore list is as high as Canadas populations.

[JohnnyReb]

Turbines.....what camel F'ers wear on their heads. Hey, that's more than Nadin knows about turbines.

[Aristotelian]

How does she mentally remember who she has on ignore? It's easy to do if you only have a few on ignore, not easy if your ignore list is as high as Canadas populations.

The same way she remembers how many centimetres are in a metre.

I can actually imagine her having a long list posted above her computer with the names written in crayon and all in capital letters as lower-case are too complex for her to manage.

[Tess Anderson]

so she was flamed for making a thread in all caps, so she made another one. There.

I wonder how much longer this will go on. She didn't win powerball.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022865268

Response to byeya (Reply #36)

Sun May 19, 2013, 11:05 AM

 nadinbrzezinski (120,150 posts)

37. At this point it is who the poster is


I already told the owners at ATA that I expect the alert system to continue to be abused incessantly.
 
Some folks here want me dead, that is the honest truth. It is tolerated.

Oh I expect this to be alerted too, and possibly locked.

But I expect now everything posted to be alerted on.

So, at this point there is on thing left, not give money and a healthy laugh.

but this exchange I found interesting:

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:12 AM

 Generic Other (20,296 posts)

31. Where did Bobbolink go?

Speaking of elderly homeless.

Response to Generic Other (Reply #31)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:37 AM

 nadinbrzezinski (120,150 posts)

32. She just disappeared


I refer to think we no longer pleased her and she decided to move on. There are nights I think she did not wake up.

Response to Generic Other (Reply #31)

Sun May 19, 2013, 10:44 AM

 SixString (304 posts)

33. Ask Will Pitt. n/t

[JakeStyle]

Now nadins' online editor Miriam Raftery has come to her defense.

Response to maddezmom (Reply #97)

Sun May 19, 2013, 08:43 PM

Liberty Belle (6,677 posts)

147. They CAN cause cancer but not from the noise - from the stray voltage. 1,000 times normal

at homes in our area here that are closest to the turbines and to the substations at these projects. The voltage also disrupts pacemakers and can cause heart arrhythmias.

The infrasound, that you don't hear, same thing that damages whales hearing and makes the poor things beach, can cause ear pain, headaches, dizziness, ringing in the ears and other problems in humans. Why are you even skeptical of this? It is well documented in animals. nd the animals here are acting tormented since turbines went in - we have multiple reports in Boulevard and Campo of coyotes climbing trees and screaming in pain. Animals that don't want to have their paws on the ground due to the voltage coming up. You can feel it in places if you walk there. In Campo a woman on a cell phone had a blue arc flash across the room. It is so dangerous people can't even use certain electronic equipment. This is from the wind turbines and powerlines hooked up to them. There are reports by scientific experts who took the measurements and have provided it to medical experts studying the people living there.

how can anyone say that's okay to do to people and that we should allow these companies to build more without cleaning up the mess they have made? STray voltage should not be coming up in people's houses at 1,000 times normal. Blades should not go falling off turbines. Infrasound should not be allowed at levels high enough to cause pain to humans or animals. Our photographer lives a half mile from Ocotillo's turbines. His dog can't stand to go outside anymore and when it's windy the poor animal runs into the house and dives under the bed whimpering; the ultrasound from the turbines is clearly hurting his ears.

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

How ugly is she you ask?

She's so ugly you have to use an extra "g".  

 

H5 for that one!

[delilahmused]

Does nads have any friends over there?

Cindie

[Big Dog]

Now nadins' online editor Miriam Raftery has come to her defense.

 we have multiple reports in Boulevard and Campo of coyotes climbing trees and screaming in pain. Animals that don't want to have their paws on the ground due to the voltage coming up.

The electricity just oozes up from the ground. All because of wind turbines.

[Revolution]

Codeine (12,671 posts)

46. Nobody wants you dead, ferfuxsake.

You'd do well to get over yourself at some point.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, Codeine...

Then, out comes mention of the old Buick dweller...

Star Member Generic Other (20,296 posts)

31. Where did Bobbolink go?

Speaking of elderly homeless.

nadinbrzezinski (120,155 posts)

32. She just disappeared

I refer to think we no longer pleased her and she decided to move on. There are nights I think she did not wake up. 

Lol. What?!?

SixString (304 posts)

33. Ask Will Pitt. n/t

Why would the Pittstain know? Am I missing something here?

[GOBUCKS]

 we have multiple reports in Boulevard and Campo of coyotes climbing trees and screaming in pain. Animals that don't want to have their paws on the ground due to the voltage coming up.

I did not realize that Crazy Miriam (DUmmy Liberty Belle) was as much a lunatic as nutcase nadin.

[diesel driver]

The electricity just oozes up from the ground. All because of wind turbines.

Sounds like fracking is causing this.   

Hell, according to evirowackos, fracking is causing everything else, from Barry's big ears to glowbull warming.