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Offline zeitgeist

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How bad is it?
« on: May 14, 2013, 05:41:01 PM »
Here is an interesting thread from the Land of Denial.

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How bad is it??
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In your honest opinion, do you think the White House is involved in any of these charges? Did they know anything about what was going on with the IRS, an independent agency, but is under the purview of the Treasury Dept? How much did they know about the information that was subpoenaed from the AP and their reporters? Was Benghazi just a made-up conspiracy of the Republicans just to try and get their supporters fired up for the next election or was there more to it?

What is your opinion? Is the White House clear on all charges?

Do you want to know the truth or would you prefer not to know?



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1. I don't know but
 
it doesn't look good in any case. It looks terrible, to be honest. America shouldn't be acting like North Korea or an old style Soviet police state when it comes to freedom of the press.
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2. I doubt the WH is involved, but that doesn't absolve it of responsibilty
 

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3. How many times can they say they knew nothing
 
about ANY of these things without looking like complete liars or total buffoons?

Who is running all of these departments? Low level employees? Sheesh.
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Exactly, WTF is going on, is the White House really that out of the loop??
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25. Many here defend the President's "powerlessness" over Executive Departments,
and thus, his inability -- they say -- to carry out any of the truly important ideas/programs his supporters elected him to implement.
All this while simultaneously praising his "great leadership" abilities...


I just grabbed the first few posts but trust me it is not all “cupcakes and ice cream” on this thread.  There is some serious denial and outright stonewalling,
going on over there.   :popcorn:
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 06:24:27 PM »
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Did they know anything about what was going on with the IRS, an independent agency, but is under the purview of the Treasury Dept?

DUmmy ken tuckunder-

The Internal Revenue Service is not independent. It is a subordinate agency of the US Department of Treasury, an Executive Branch department whose Secretary reports directly to the President.

King Hussein owns this violation of the Constitutional rights of American Citizens. He ****ing owns it.
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Re: How bad is it?
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In your honest opinion, do you think the White House is involved in any of these charges? Did they know anything about what was going on with the IRS, an independent agency, but is under the purview of the Treasury Dept? How much did they know about the information that was subpoenaed from the AP and their reporters? Was Benghazi just a made-up conspiracy of the Republicans just to try and get their supporters fired up for the next election or was there more to it?

What is your opinion? Is the White House clear on all charges?

Do you want to know the truth or would you prefer not to know?
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 06:31:54 PM »
A couple of the dimwits seem to have waded into the crux of the problem for Team Obama. Either Obama is flagrantly breaking laws, or he is an incompetent stooge who has ceded control of the White House to unelected underlings.

There is no upside to these charges, at all.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 06:32:19 PM »
PhDD weighs in:

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34. federal law prohibits the President from being involved with the IRS

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dating from when Nixon used the IRS to go after political enemies. The President should not know what the IRS is investigating.

PhDD:

Laws don't deter criminal activity, because criminals ignore the law.

God, you're dense.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 06:52:16 PM »
Quote from: miskie on May 14, 2013, 06:31:54 PM
A couple of the dimwits seem to have waded into the crux of the problem for Team Obama. Either Obama is flagrantly breaking laws, or he is an incompetent stooge who has ceded control of the White House to unelected underlings.

There is no upside to these charges, at all.


Yes there is but it won't happen. Impeachment.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 09:44:53 PM »
I don't know why the DUmmies are worried, the media will provide 0bama all the cover he needs, and even if the House drafted and voted on articles of impeachment the Senate will not vote to remove him.

The real reason the media is talking about the IRS thing, and the tapped phones is to deflect from Benghazi. By the time it's all said and done the media will have acquitted 0bama anyway. Coming soon they will blame Bush and the repukess for all of this.



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Re: How bad is it?
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42. There is NO WAY that the most ethical

administration was involved in ANY of this stuff.

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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 07:57:28 AM »
Quote from: Airwolf on May 14, 2013, 06:52:16 PM

Yes there is but it won't happen. Impeachment.

There's still a downside with impeachment.

President Joe Biden.

BTW, where have they been keeping ol' Crazy Uncle Joe these days?  Haven't heard much from him in a while.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 07:59:18 AM »
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45. "The buck stops here." Harry Truman

If the White wasn't involved then Obama must act quickly to rid the administration of those who were. If the White House was completely unaware, they'd better start paying more attention to what their appointees are doing.

That would get in the way of golf, dates with Reggie Love, vacations, campaigning, and partying with Beyonce and Jay-Z, ...when he's not partying with Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 08:05:47 AM »
Quote from: miskie on May 14, 2013, 06:31:54 PM
A couple of the dimwits seem to have waded into the crux of the problem for Team Obama. Either Obama is flagrantly breaking laws, or he is an incompetent stooge who has ceded control of the White House to unelected underlings.

There is no upside to these charges, at all.

The latter is actually more frightening of a prospect than the former.  I've wondered that myself.  What if he really is that out of touch with what's going on...telling he cabinet "just do what you've got to do and don't bother me with the details."
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 08:35:22 AM »
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The latter is actually more frightening of a prospect than the former.  I've wondered that myself.  What if he really is that out of touch with what's going on...telling he cabinet "just do what you've got to do and don't bother me with the details."
That sounds exactly like that lazy SOB. 

It gives him more time to golf.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 09:10:32 AM »
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That sounds exactly like that lazy SOB. 

It gives him more time to golf.

I bet he breaks the rules of golf to.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 09:13:17 AM »
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I bet he breaks the rules of golf to.

Wasn't Clinton notorious for cheating when he golfed?

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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 09:15:01 AM »
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How bad is it??

If you have to ask that question, well you know the rest....
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 09:32:16 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 15, 2013, 08:05:47 AM
The latter is actually more frightening of a prospect than the former.  I've wondered that myself.  What if he really is that out of touch with what's going on...telling he cabinet "just do what you've got to do and don't bother me with the details."

If I recall correctly,within a couple months of taking office there was an article written saying that he really was detached and preferred talking basketball with staff rather then official business.
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If I recall correctly,within a couple months of taking office there was an article written saying that he really was detached and preferred talking basketball with staff rather then official business.

Yeah there's been some stories relating to that over at ulstermanreport.com.

Something along the lines of how he mainly uses the private office upstairs next to Valeria Jarrett's and most days is found siting on the couch watching ESPN.

It would explain too why the first thing on his schedule most days...the PDB doesn't happen until 10:45 am.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 01:04:46 PM »
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There's still a downside with impeachment.

President Joe Biden.

BTW, where have they been keeping ol' Crazy Uncle Joe these days?  Haven't heard much from him in a while.

Do they really want Slo Joe making any kind of unequivocally stupid remark that may make impeachment unavoidable even for the senate??He's staying put in his hidey hole.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 01:46:32 PM »
Last night there was a woman interviewed on FOX (think it was Hannity) about being targeted by the IRS. She's a wife and mother, an ordinary, anonymous person living her life. She wanted to form a nonprofit because she'd been running donations through her own checking account and it was getting too confusing. She was so frightened by the questions and the scrutiny, being asked for her donor list, etc. that she stopped her activism completely.

I keep thinking, it's too bad the IRS didn't send the form back with a note saying "APPLICATION DENIED BECAUSE YOU'RE A SLUT!" Sandra Fluke might have come to her rescue with a bag of free birth control, with the drooling press behind her. At least she would've gotten a little attention.

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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2013, 01:51:47 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on May 14, 2013, 06:32:19 PM
PhDD weighs in:

PhDD:

Laws don't deter criminal activity, because criminals ignore the law.

God, you're dense.

C'mon, BD, cut her some slack.  Bad, bad, Bainsbane Brown has already admitted she's not a lawyer.   :-)
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2013, 01:53:14 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on May 15, 2013, 07:57:28 AM
There's still a downside with impeachment.

President Joe Biden.

BTW, where have they been keeping ol' Crazy Uncle Joe these days?  Haven't heard much from him in a while.

I imagine and halfway competent investigation will uncover Crazy Joe is in all of this up to his hairpiece as well.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2013, 03:43:42 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on May 15, 2013, 07:57:28 AM
There's still a downside with impeachment.

President Joe Biden.

BTW, where have they been keeping ol' Crazy Uncle Joe these days?  Haven't heard much from him in a while.

Agreed. Even worse would be if they got Biden ,then it's Dingy Harry.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2013, 03:52:45 PM »
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I imagine and halfway competent investigation will uncover Crazy Joe is in all of this up to his hairpiece as well.

I would not be surprised if Crazy Uncle Joe resigns "for health reasons", if any of the current scandals stick to King Hussein. Dingy Harry would gladly sit in the co-pilot seat.
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Re: How bad is it?
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2013, 03:58:14 PM »
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I would not be surprised if Crazy Uncle Joe resigns "for health reasons", if any of the current scandals stick to King Hussein. Dingy Harry would gladly sit in the co-pilot seat.

Um no.  The Speaker of the House is third in line for the Presidency, and there is no way in hell the Dims would tolerate that.

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2013, 04:07:17 PM »
Quote from: Dori on May 15, 2013, 03:58:14 PM
Um no.  The Speaker of the House is third in line for the Presidency, and there is no way in hell the Dims would tolerate that.

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Dori- I wasn't being clear.

If Crazy Uncle Joe resigned, King Hussein would appoint a new VP. He could appoint anyone who is otherwise eligible to be President- think "Gerald Ford".

Dingy Harry has been a loyal soldier for King Hussein, and would be sure to pardon him immediately if he was convicted in impeachment.
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