DUmmies discuss student loans & college education

[Ralph Wiggum]

I sort of understand what the OP is explaining, but response #3 is an all-time DUmmy classic:

dsc (39,348 posts)

those of us who are older shouldn't be covering ourselves in glory for paying off student loans

and lording it over those who are younger and who haven't. If you went to Penn State in 1975, your tuition per year was $1095 dollars in 1975 or about $4609 in 2012 money. That same figure now, $15,562 for fresh and soph or $17,824 for junior and senior. No, none of those are misprints. Put another way, median household income in 1975 was 10,316 or just a bit under 10 times the cost of a year at Penn State (tuition only, instate). Median income in 2012 was $50,100 or just over 3 times the cost of a year at Penn State (tuition only, instate). In other words, relative to income, the cost of a college education at a state university has risen by a factor of over 3. So no flipping wonder you paid off your loans sooner, you had far less of them to pay off.

bowens43 (14,333 posts)
3. Education should be absolutely free

Anything less than that is a crime against our society.

In other words, GIMME MY FREE SHIT!!!! 

[Freeper]

bowens43 (14,333 posts)
3. Education should be absolutely free

Anything less than that is a crime against our society.

I'm sure people will line up in order to be teachers for no salary.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Skittles (86,083 posts)
8. we should be doing NO COMPARING

it's a WHOLE NEW BALLGAME now; yes INDEED

 

[BadCat]

I'm sure people will line up in order to be teachers for no salary.

Really, especially those commie brainwashers they call "professors" these days.

[thundley4]

I'm sure people will line up in order to be teachers for no salary.

You misunderstand the DUmmies.  They want teachers that work for public schools, those paid with tax payer dollars, to be millionaires.  However, the professors at colleges where people have to pay for their own education should be paid peanuts.

[Dori]

However, the professors at colleges where people have to pay for their own education should be paid peanuts.

Same for doctors. 

[Celtic Rose]

Heaven forbid they consider income potential when they consider taking out loans 

I majored in history my first time through college.  I was (and still am) fascinated by medieval history.  My medieval history professor also happened to be my advisor, and he strongly encouraged me to pursue a Master's or a PhD education in the subject.  He told me that he would help me find a university for a Master's degree, he recommended that I start studying German to get a head start on a 2nd foreign language, and he recommended outside topics of study.  I still wonder sometime what would be different if I had chosen that path.  I could be a professor of medieval history now at some posh university    More likely though, I would be among the hordes of individuals with advanced degrees who can't find work.

Instead, after graduation I got a job.  When I did go back to school I went for a degree with more income potential.  By getting my nursing degree I increased by annual income by 50%.  I do have some serious loans to pay back for my nursing school, but I have a solid enough income to reasonably do so.  I satisfy my interest in history through self study.

[GOBUCKS]

I satisfy my interest in history through self study.

You could get together with coach and nadin, and have a Trained Historians' Conference.

[Dori]

I satisfy my interest in history through self study.

Write a book, or series of books that has a midevil theme and facts.  

Do you have a favorite character from then?

[Celtic Rose]

Write a book, or series of books that has a midevil theme and facts.  

Do you have a favorite character from then?

King Alfred is a favorite.   I love reading about England during the early medieval period.  Anglo-Saxons and Vikings are fun topics   

[Dori]

King Alfred is a favorite.   I love reading about England during the early medieval period.  Anglo-Saxons and Vikings are fun topics   

Although is was a much later period, I read a book called "A Crown for Elizabeth".  It was about Queen Elizabeth's family, her mother and childhood... up until just before her coronation.  I was fascinated by it.  It's called "casual" by some reviewers, as there was some fiction mixed in.  Maybe you should try something like that for King Alfred.  Or just make up your own characters.  The medival period is still popular today.




 

[JohnnyReb]

"Free for me paid for by thee".....DUmmie motto.

[NHSparky]

Newsflash, DUmbshits--when people like you say you're willing to "pay any cost" or that something should be "free" then guess what?  It's going to cost, alright--and while it might be "free" up front, the back end costs are a shitload higher.

Put it another way: if there were no such things as Pell Grants, etc., and that college scholarships were entirely based on ACADEMIC ABILITY rather than sticking your hand out and going, "Gimmegimmegimme," along with some other little caveats like, say, only people who are actually READY academically to go to college actually go instead of spending their first two years taking remedial coursework, what do you think would happen to the costs of education?  Instead of paying the senior Senator from MA (aka "Fauxcahontas") over $350K per year to teach ONE course, you might actually get people in the system who, you know--ACTUALLY WORKED?  And speaking of work, how about performance?  Now how would we improve that?  Hey, how about getting rid of tenure--you know, people actually have to perform at a certain level FOR THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS like the rest of us schlubs do!

Now all of you can pretty please go die in a ****ing fire.

[Karin]

I remember one DUmmie who said she had two masters degrees in "ceramics."  Two!   You'd have to sell an awful lot of knickknacks at flea markets to pay off those loans.

[Wineslob]

Hows that 'free healthcare" working out, shitheads?

[JohnnyReb]

Hows that 'free healthcare" working out, shitheads?

Just fine with the dead voters.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I remember one DUmmie who said she had two masters degrees in "ceramics."  Two!   You'd have to sell an awful lot of knickknacks at flea markets to pay off those loans.

How would one utilize one degree in ceramics, much less two masters degrees?  

[GOBUCKS]

How would one utilize one degree in ceramics, much less two masters degrees?

I don't know, but I'll bet every desk and tabletop in her house has a killer ashtray.

[DefiantSix]

How would one utilize one degree in ceramics, much less two masters degrees?  

You mean WITHOUT an accompanying degree in Materials Engineering? 

[NHSparky]

One of the Engineering degrees where I went to school was Ceramic Engineering.  Pretty tough major, and one with a lot of useful applications.

But I'm guessing that isn't the degree of which the Dummy speaks.

[DefiantSix]

I don't know, but I'll bet every desk and tabletop in her house has a killer ashtray bong.

Fixt 'er for ya, bro.

[Big Dog]

How would one utilize one degree in ceramics, much less two masters degrees?  

Like this:

[Karin]

^^^ 

No, Sparks, she meant the clay kind. 

A little clip on the news this morning about how broke and poor young people are going to be, showed a guy telling us that he has a major in "drama and communications."  Works at the movie theater.

[BlueStateSaint]

^^^ 

No, Sparks, she meant the clay kind. 

A little clip on the news this morning about how broke and poor young people are going to be, showed a guy telling us that he has a major in "drama and communications."  Works at the movie theater.

I saw that, too.  He didn't seem to be complaining, as it's likely the only entry-level thing he can get in this Oconomy.

[GOBUCKS]

A little clip on the news this morning about how broke and poor young people are going to be, showed a guy telling us that he has a major in "drama and communications."  Works at the movie theater.

Well, he should be encouraged that he found work in his field.